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To be feeling so angry at my 3yo DS every single bloody day??!!

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Mumyum1 · 25/09/2017 00:20

Yes. Of course I am. I am being very very unreasonable. I know it. And I resolve not be. But then I am. Again. He asked his dad tonight, why is mummy always so angry. Broke my heart.

Background: DS is almost 4yo and after maternity leave I went back to work for 6 weeks before being forced out of my really well paid job. I was not given a reference and found it really hard to find decent work for a long time - during this time I was a SAHM and used all my savings to continue to pay 50% of the mortgage and bills until I had no money left. Hubby then had to pick up all the bills and full mortgage and still managed to put aside for savings. My only income was child benefits and the odd bit of cash he gave me, most of which I'd spend on groceries. Every time I asked for money I would hear about how we we really struggling on only one salary and how stressed he was etc etc. We got pregnant with number two and of course this time around there was no maternity pay. Apart from nappies no extra expense as I breastfed and we were gifted loads of clothes etc. Due to some kindness of old friends and the support of my mother things fell into place for me and I found work - less than half of what I was paid before. Suddenly DH started complaining about the cost of childcare for two children should I return to work. For that reason and because I also felt DC2 was not ready for childcare I deferred my start date for a year. DH then complained about how I made decisions and he just had to go along with it, and how stressful it was for him to pay for everything. He especially hated that DC1 was at private nursery 2 days a week. I've now been back at work fulltime and cover all the childcare costs myself, with nothing left over in spare change. However I have a sense of achievement beyond what cute things my children are saying and doing. I'm mixing with adults who are not part of nursery school or playgroup. Although I don't have extra cash to speak of I feel financially empowered, which is an awesome feeling. The economic disempowerment I felt for the previous few years has certainly been a life lesson I won't easily forget. And intend to never ever repeat.

However. The downside to me working, has been that DH has been spending more time with DC1&2 - which means they are slowly but surely showing the stamp of his personality. He has anger issues. Can't stand crying and thinks it's abnormal behaviour in a 1&3 yr old and that I've been mollycoddling and turning them into 'sissies' (said in front of them. Mummy what's a sissy?). I gentle parent and don't believe in spanking. He's the opposite. I allow them choice and independence, he prefers to do things for them. He shouted at the one yr old for picking up his PS3 remote and then told her he wasn't sure why she was crying at nothing, he should be crying as it's his things getting broken. When the 3yo tantrums at the end of a long exhausting day because all routine has been lost and he's allowed to stay up after 10pm, and then starts to hit/spit/kick etc DH asks him why he's such a moron and was he dropped on the head.

It makes my blood boil but I'm working on my own flaws and trying to give DH space to figure out this parenting gig but he has never had contact with kids, does not know what normal child behaviour is like, and refuses to read anything. He tries to follow his parents style but has forgotten that he told me once at the beginning of our relationship, that he knew his father didn't like him when he was 3yo. They've never got on because FiL is a stickler for discipline and DH has always been a wild angry child. He hates being 'told what to do' and anything I say is responded to with 'don't speak to me like I'm a child' or some such. I have run out of patience with him and unfortunately have lost all compassion and empathy for him and so yes I do struggle to be 'gentle' with him as I strive to be with my kids. I have very firm boundaries though. They had routine, limits etc I just didn't use shouting or spanking to enforce.

When my mum came to stay post c section to help out, she eventually told me, stop asking him to do anything if you've already asked him once. For example, take out the heavy garbage bag before bin day because I can't do it - my almost 75yo osteoporotic mother and I used to do together because any request I'd make would be ignored until it mounted up to ten things and then he'd blow up about it.

Anyway, my children who I've never ever spoken a bad word to about their dad, are now becoming so defiant toward me. They are shouting. DC1 ignores me when I speak to him. If he speaks to his dad and I answer, he actually says, I'm not talking to you mum, please be quiet. He's allowed to play games on dads fone when I've been specific about limiting screen time. On a day with dad there are no such limits. They're allowed lots of juice as it's fruit, and lots of macdonalds fries even if I've cooked for them for the day. They hang out in the local vape shop although I've asked dad to only vape in a separate room with a window open at home. DC1 tells me he is going to use that blower thing when he grows up. They go grocery shopping and eat before paying for things. They skip baths and go to bed in their clothes they've been playing in all day. The list really is endless.

I feel a huge amount of anger toward DH. I feel all my hard work and patience over the years has been trampled into the dust and is being undone at an alarming pace. But worse than that is this anger that boils inside me when my DS so obviously prefers his dad over me. And always defends his dad when I question anything. And requests angry rap music in the car that turns out to be full of the N word, whore this, bitch that the only word blanked out is Fuck! Hubby tells me it's the censored version it's ok! Yesterday DS called me a Bitch. I want to smack him so badly and I want to hurt his feelings so badly, I really want to break his spirit and tell him how shit his father is. Of course I don't. I end up clenching my teeth and counting or breathing or walking out of the room. Because it's not his fault. He is triggering my anger toward his father. And he knows I'm angry and I'm scared I'm going to lose him. But I'm finding it harder and harder to bite my tongue. DH and I have 'discussed' these issues but the talking becomes shouting and I can't have my kids grow up like that. He refuses counselling.

If you've made it to the end thanks for reading this long vent post. I think it's been cathartic to just type it out. Is differing parenting styles enough of a reason to break up a family? Am I just too bloody controlling??? I do feel like quite the tyrant tbh.

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converseandjeans · 26/09/2017 22:19

I was wondering how you were getting on. I was going to suggest you might find you are entitled to various benefits if you leave him. You would probably be just as well off working less hours and then claiming tax credits (not sure what it is called now tho - perhaps universal credit) I am sure you would get support with childminder fees, free school meals, help with housing. So you could be around more for the children.
You really would be doing the best thing for them by leaving an angry man. I reckon they would be calmer and more loving fairly quickly.
Let us know how you get on :)

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Mxyzptlk · 26/09/2017 21:57

I'm so glad to hear that you're looking at ways to free yourself from that man.

Don't be afraid of the difficulties you may face, your life will be so much better without the huge drain on your energy from being in this relationship.

You and your children will be much happier without him.

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FeralBeryl · 26/09/2017 10:57

Oh sweetheart Sad
Was just coming on to say get this moved to relationships - the advice there is outstanding.
There is lots of help out there, it's just getting the confidence to access it all.
It's not too late for you to shape your children into kind, confident humans-but it will be eventually if they stay trapped near that toxic twat Flowers

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LornaMumsnet · 26/09/2017 10:31

Hi folks,

We're sending this over to our relationships topic at the OP's request.

Flowers OP.

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Mumyum1 · 26/09/2017 10:30

Thank you! Have asked to changed to relationship thread. Have a wonderful day all.

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littlecabbage · 26/09/2017 10:17

I'm not sure I'm adding anything new here but want to offer my thoughts and support.

Your DH is emotionally abusive to you and your children, and if you don't get them away from him, they will grow up like him and the cycle will continue. He is making you think you are to blame, which is clasdic abusive, controlling behaviour.

Start keeping a diary of the things he says/does, listing people who witnessed it etc. Record some on your phone if you are confident you can do it without getting caught. Basically collect evidence to use against him if he tries to fight you for custody.

Definitely seek advice from the organisations others have suggested.

Do not blame yourself for feeling angry at your kids, as DH is causing you enormous amounts of stress, but do fight the urge to snap, build them up with unconditional love to help yo shield them againsy his nssty words until you can get them away from him.

If you can prove his abusiveness to them, I presume you coukd get a court order to say he is only allowed supervised contact.

Your children are not beyond help but they need to be out of this environment as soon as you can arrange it. They may seem angry at you sometimes, but it is because they are hurt and confused by your DH. once away from him for a while, with the sensible routines and empathic love that you prefer, they will relax and start to change back into lovely children.

Good Luck xxxx

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JigglyTuff · 26/09/2017 09:40

Yes, please do ask for your thread to be moved to Relationships. I know there are lots of women there who have walked the walk and will support you in your journey.

I believe you can do this :)

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bibliomania · 26/09/2017 09:34

Well done, OP, you're sounding a lot stronger and more determined now.

I may have missed it on the thread, but in case it hasn't been posted, please read Lundy Bancroft "Why does he do that?" It's eye-opening about the dynamics of abuse, and there is a very powerful chapter on the abuser as father.

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mathanxiety · 26/09/2017 03:32

If you would like to move your thread to Relationships, hit 'report' in your OP and type your request to move it in the dialogue box. You'll get lots of support there.

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Mumyum1 · 26/09/2017 00:47

Thank you all for your comments.
Thanks to people who posted links and contact numbers - it turns out I might well have recourse to public funds!
I'm so glad I vented on MN. I've been told I'm crazy and not normal and OTT so many times. That we are not 'other people'. His mother was a doormat and still is, but I'm not her and I refuse to be a doormat, and I tell him this and he gets so mad. He tells me now my financial stability will be his and our family's financial ruin. That I am selfish. Whatever. I'm so over this.

Thanks again. I feel so motivated for change and strangely supported although (I think!!) I don't know any of you.

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SomewhatIdiosyncratic · 25/09/2017 11:19

Please, do some research, make plans and leave this relationship in the near future. For your 3 year old to be corrupted by his behaviour in this way, so young shows how damaging this relationship is to you all. DS is still young, and minimising his father's influence in his life will have a significant impact in improving his future.

Otherwise what will life be like in a year? What will DS be like as he gets older?

Your "D"H has nothing to gain by changing. He's vile to you and the DCs. He bled you dry on maternity leave. There is no hope within the relationship, only hurt. The change has to come from you.

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ForagingForFaerieGold · 25/09/2017 10:52

Oh. And I second PP who said tell him NOTHING. I never said a word. Just laid my plans and one day I was gone.

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ForagingForFaerieGold · 25/09/2017 10:49

Hope is paralysing. But at least you're angry and not defeated. Use that anger while it's still hot to propel yourself out if this mess. I left with virtually nothing, it's hard but it can be done and it was my anger over the way he treated my DD that made me do it. Use that.
I never even considered counselling.
I DID briefly consider arranging for him to be hit by a large truck. Wink

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Subtlecheese · 25/09/2017 10:36

Kick him out. Not only will you be rid of an awful waste of space but your children will see exactly the sort of attention that personality will receive.

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Mittens1969 · 25/09/2017 10:34

I'm so sorry you're going through all this, OP. You need to LTB and do it asap. What you're describing is really awful for both you and your DCs. And your DS is copying his behaviour, he needs to be shown that DH's treatment of you, and them, is not acceptable. Calling them 'sissies' is absolutely awful.

You've been given the number of Women's Aid, you need to give them a call.

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GotToGetMyFingerOut · 25/09/2017 10:03

You both need to get on a parenting course too. Because even if you leave him I imagine he will still parent the kids to some degree.

It's literally shocking the things your children are being subjected to at such a young age.

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JigglyTuff · 25/09/2017 10:01

Your husband is already damaging your son. You owe it to him to remove him and your other children (and yourself) from this toxic environment.

Your husband is abusing you and your kids. It is much more of a danger to their health and wellbeing to stay where you are than to leave now and be living hand to mouth.

Gather your things. See a solicitor. Go to a refuge

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Foxysoxy01 · 25/09/2017 09:54

You need to get yourself and your kids out of there asap!
It's a toxic environment and is obviously affecting your DS already, please don't allow this to continue.

It doesn't matter if your new living arrangements are not ideal for a while it's much better to get out as soon as you can.

Could you stay with your mother or another family member for a while?

Call woman's aid and see what they can provide in the way of pointing you to practical help.

If you stay waiting until you have saved x amount or you have the ideal new home for you and the kids then you will just continue to allow this situation to escalate. It might be that you need to move to a council provided house for a while or a small one bed flat but it will be better than how you and the kids are living now.

As this continues your children will suffer even more as will you.

You can make this better but you need to get out. LTB to wallow in his own bitterness.
You are obviously a strong, intelligent woman who can be a great role model for your children you just need to leave the toxic shithead behind.

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bibliomania · 25/09/2017 09:48

You talk about hope being a shitty thing - you're right, malignant optimism is a known phenomenon that keeps people in abusive relationships.

You talk about no recourse to public funds so I'm not sure what your status is, but don't make assumptions - talk to a solicitor if you need advise about immigration status etc. I do think you need to leave him asap, because solo parenting 3 dcs isn't easy, but solo parenting 3 dcs who are very damaged and who strongly identify with the father you have taken them away from (as they perceive is) is a whole other magnitude of difficulty.

You have more insight than the title of your post indicates. The title indicates that your coping strategy is to make your 3-year old the problem, because then it's just a case of parenting tips, isn't it? But from the rest of your post, you know he is acting this way because of this situation, and you cannot fix his behaviour while still in this situation. It will only get worse.

I'm glad that you're talking about leaving, but it's worrying that you're talking about it years into the future. It's not rare for sons to align themselves with abusive fathers and gang up against their "weak" mothers. The earlier you can take them out of this situation, the more chance of an okay outcome. Don't think that just because your brother "fixed" himself, that your sons will just be able to fix themselves in the same way.

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RiseToday · 25/09/2017 09:44

When your third child comes along, I'm sorry to say your situation is going to get worse.

It will mean more stress, his anger levels will go up and you will end up relying on him even more as you try to juggle three kids.

I'm stating the obvious here but please don't have any more children with him - at the very least.

If you have any chance of salvaging your relationship you both need to be in individual therapy NOT couples counselling. He needs to go into it as a willing participant, accepting of his many failings which I think is unlikely.

Or, you divorce. However, he will then have access to your children without you around unless you're able to stipulate that he's not alone with them due to his abusive nature - both emotional and physical.

Personally I would be going for option 2 with limited contact.

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NoSleepSinceSpring · 25/09/2017 09:36

If you don't want to end up even more miserable than you are now, with children who grow up into abusive adults with no respect for you, then leave this absolute joke of a man.

Are you really going to stay and watch him turn your children into mini-cunts just like their dad?

There are ways out of this relationship. You should put all your energy into finding them. Protect your children.

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TansyVioletta · 25/09/2017 09:22

Yesterday DS called me a Bitch.
The poor kid at 3 is just copying his dad and desperately trying to avoid being abused himself by being vile to you as he knows he'll win his dad's approval that way. It's only going to get worse if you don't remove him.

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Ttbb · 25/09/2017 09:16

Dear god-why are you still with this man? He has abused you and your children and now he is ruining them. Personality is set by the age of about seven. You don't have time to loose. Report his abuse and then leave him. He will be obliged to pay maintenance for both you are your children. What a dick.

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TansyVioletta · 25/09/2017 08:58

He's being abusive to your kids as well as you.

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