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Relationship after split caused by alcoholism (and associated behavior)

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user1475360947 · 11/10/2016 11:32

Hi folks,

I have been advised that I may get more of a response to below thread here rather than in Newbies section, there are a few updates which I can add but they don't really change the dynamic of what I am asking.

I'm a male and looking some advice. I am 37 and have recently split from my wife, the main factor in this being the fact that I am an alcoholic (I had been drinking 8 -10 beer per night and probably more on weekends) I am what would be described as a high functioning alcoholic, I got up and went to work in the morning and all the bills etc were paid and paid on time.

My wife left after one of many arguments just over a month ago. She says she had been unhappy for years and had been shielding my step daughter and son from my drinking and moods following drink - I would stress there has never been any violence in our relationship.

There have been issues with dsd ref use of alcohol and drugs - and when she wasn't behaving I may have gone too far in trying to get her to behave (possibly grounding for too long, not speaking to her, or blcompletely banning her from the internet). I have also been grumpy when not drinking the following day. Dsd is now 19 and recently dropped out of university (since, but not related to split with dw)

We also have a son who is ten years old. I also would have been in moods with him or been quick to anger when he did things which he shouldn't (kicking football in house etc)

OH has said that she has been unhappy and hasn't loved me for years, but in the other hand says that she does care for me and the final straw was over her going guarantor for a flat for dsd which I was not happy about (daughter isn't even named on flat lease)

Following split from OH I have enrolled in a recovery programme, they couldn't take me straight away and I immediately started in AA, I am sober today and have been for the past month.

The issue is OH won't take me back, I know I can't expect it straight away or possibly ever but was just wondering if any of you have been through similar and if there is anything I can do....I love my wife and would do ANYTHING to get her back, however she will not do anything to work towards it, won't think of marriage counseling, refused Al anon, and won't even consider going for coffee.

I'd appreciate any advice good or bad, as I say I'm in recovery, have a better relationship with my son and am trying to build bridges with step daughter.

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Myusernameismyusername · 11/10/2016 13:23

I think you are grieving for what you realise you have probably lost. It takes time OP x

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SmellySphinx · 11/10/2016 13:31

I think DW also shielded me from the harm that I was doing, DW constantly tried to make everyone happy, I'm not blaming DW, and I do wish there had if been some blazing arguments about the amount I drank.

I'm in no way trying to persuade you into saying the 'right' things, it's your thread and this is my opinion. But in order to stop yourself being on the pointy end of a big stick you really should try and refrain from making this kind of statement as it sounds as if you are saying it's her fault although you quite clearly state you aren't.

I can see that you would like her to know that you never blamed her which is why you would like her to go al anon or be a fly on the wall in meetings. Her view point will most likely be very different from how you saw things then and see them now as a result of this you'd again like her to know what your mindset was and is now.
Trouble is some things will always look like you're making excuses if you don't fully accept all and everything was entirely your fault regarding your alcoholism. Easy in a black and white context I know.
I have my own opinions on alcoholics and won't and hopefully haven't projected them onto you as your situation is your own.

Good description of addictive thinking and behaviour though, it should help some people get some perspective. Glad you chose the better option and stopped yourself from going down the drinking route in rough times x

Ninenicknames - I hope so...I really must change my username though cos as far as I'm aware I ain't smelly Grin

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ChocolateForAll · 11/10/2016 13:40

Can't add much to this discussion but wanted to say well done on five weeks sober. This is a really great achievement.

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Myusernameismyusername · 11/10/2016 13:45

I totally get why you want her to be part of this.

I just think she is in a very different place to you and you need to keep a respectful distance from her and be the support she needs, where you can be. Right now she is protecting herself - don't try to smash down a barrier someone has put up because you just create more distance when she runs further away.

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user1475360947 · 11/10/2016 14:09

Thanks folks, I'm sorry hinking that all I can do is give it time, and continue to hope. DW told me the other day that my DM rang her and told her DS would be left unhappy...dw should work at marriage, wanted to kill DM for that.

I think DW knows how I feel, and will just have to leave it for her to make or not make a decision. Very hard to take, but I'm willing to wait.

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 18/11/2016 22:48

Hi folks apologies for the change in the username, but I am the OP. Still sober....still single....dw dues however seem to be coming round a bit...and I know she is hurting about the split too.

Big change in my thinking, and in the way I interact with DW- I don't react anymore.

I'm giving it loads and loads of time

DS is now at the stage where he loves coming to see me and has been known to choose me over mum. - good only in that I'm hoping that mum notices home life with me is stable, sober but still fun!!! Role on sober day 76.

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theansweris42 · 18/11/2016 22:55

I'm replying to you as someone in similar situation to your dw.
So good that you have the positive relationship with ds. Dw needs to know this more than anything.
Koko, OP.

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theansweris42 · 18/11/2016 22:55

Also, 76 days, yeah!

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FATEdestiny · 18/11/2016 23:03

76 days would be a point I might begin to raise and eyebrow and think "hmm, hes doing well this time". 3/4/5/6 weeks I probably wouldn't even respond (for fear of getting my hopes up, you understand).

So well done on over 10 weeks.

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 18/11/2016 23:04

Theanswer.

DS likes it here that much that he came to stay last Friday (usual contact/custody). Stayed until Monday then went back to mum. Came to stay with me on Tuesday and has been here since (dw working weds and thurs) dw got a day off work today so picked DS up from school - he was given a choice to stay with dw tonight or come to me (told I'd pick him up in morn to take to a thing) but decided he wanted to stay with me!!!!!

He is here now until school on Monday. Trip planned to London next weekend with DW, but DS may want to stay here until then!

Think that says he likes it here, and I'm deliberately not spoiling him to make him want to stay here only.

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Myusernameismyusername · 19/11/2016 08:43

He's missed the dad he wished he had. He has him now.

Congrats and good luck.

I'm glad you are giving things time, it's what she deserves Flowers

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missellieclampet · 19/11/2016 09:34

Don't pressure her. Work the AA 12 step programme and concentrate on yourself. When you have worked through the 12 steps you will see things differently.
You can't control your wife's response and pushing your agenda will put her off more.
If you work the programme sincerely and conscientiously she will definitely see huge changes in you but whether she decides to give the marriage another go or not is a different matter. Let go of that for now and focus on working with AA.

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 19/11/2016 10:06

Hi missellie I'm going through the programme, completed 3 a few weekks ago and was starting step 4, sponsor has pulled me back (I'm a bit like an impatient puppy trying to get into everything) I learned by trying to do some step 9 stuff waaaayyyyy too early.

I'm relatively happy in my sobriety and living for today. I know Christmasetc is going to be hard, but at the end of the day it is exactly that "one day" and I'll take each day as it comes.

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 20/11/2016 23:09

Folks wondering what your thoughts are on the latest devfelopments, DS was givent he choice to stay with me tonight or to go to mum, decided he wanted to stay with me, we done a few things (nothing major) and as he is going away with mum early Thursday I had said that he could stay with me on Tues night if that suited

Called to DW house to collect Schoolbag and on way DS said he wasnt sure that he wanted to stay with me, maybe wanted to stay with mum...but not sure

Anyway went into house and said to DW about DS staying on Tues and she immediately snapped saying he wasnt staying on Tues if he was staying tonight...not an issue I know DW wants to see DS too....

She then said she had been lonely, started crying and walked into the kitchen.

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Myusernameismyusername · 20/11/2016 23:13

She just told you she is lonely, that's what is wrong. Her life just got turned upside down and she is struggling to deal with it. You on the other hand have found loads of new strength and are in control of your life, maybe she feels she isn't yet and just is a bit lost.
You can comfort her but you might not be the best person for her to talk to, but you can try being a friend?

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 20/11/2016 23:13

Second thing which had happened prior to the above when I was picking son up on one of the days I said to DW about taking her and DS to airport - she said that she would get her mother to do it, told dw that there was obligation etc, that she would be taking MIL out of her way and that I would do it - still said no, I was annoyed, but didn't say it, but im pretty sure she could tell I was (I wasn't angry, frustrated may be a better word) ....she said to me about taking DS for a couple of hours the next day so I could go to a meeting and I told her no, it would be fine....

Text message about half an hour later saying that its probably because she " isn't ready for that "

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Myusernameismyusername · 20/11/2016 23:16

That would feel quite couply again and she isn't ready.
It's a nice guesture but you have to go at her pace

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 20/11/2016 23:16

Myusernameismyusername - I understand that she may be lonely, but she is the driving force behind it, she knows how I feel about trying to get sorted some way, not necessarily getting back together, but at least trying something to see if there is anything there?

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Myusernameismyusername · 20/11/2016 23:21

Being lonely is about more than getting back together with you, it's about losing her identity and not knowing what she should do though isn't it? I'm sure she does not want to be lonely, but she had to choose it to protect herself and the kids.

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 20/11/2016 23:25

In a way yes, again I stress that I wasn't violent, although I was hard to live with - again I can see a change, but as someone else pointed out I live with it every day and DW only sees it occassionaly.

AAAArggggggghhhh, I thinks its more frustration as I can't in anyway control the situation, and possibly that is what most of the problem is, me trying to control it.

To be honest I just want to get my life back to where it was before alcohol took over .....and I want the woman I love to love me again

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Myusernameismyusername · 20/11/2016 23:35

You need to address that desire to speed this up to your pace. You will lose her forever if you don't

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Myusernameismyusername · 20/11/2016 23:36

You have to suck this up. You have to see her hurt. You have to experience this too. It would be easier to think that getting back together would vanish all that but it won't - she needs to process it

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 20/11/2016 23:54

I think you are right....only issue is she is going to see sil in London as well as dsd, one isn't my biggest fan and I'm not too sure about the other, but pretty sure both were telling her to leave before the split. Not sure what their attitude will be now.

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therealpippi · 21/11/2016 00:02

I personally would feel very emotional and lonely too if my son started spending all this time at his dad after all these years of me doing all the hard work, obviously whilst being really really happy that they have a great relationship. If it makes sense. It is a big adjustment to make, from being the full point of focus to become less so.

She may alao feel that althogh she sees you better she knows she cannot go back (not yet anyway). She may be angry that it had to be all so late in the game, when there is not inch left of hope even if she'd like it to be.

Or at least that is exactly what I'd feel. I'd love my stbxh to stop drinking but admittedly at some level I will find it difficult - now that my dc are easy to be with and good company it would be a blow to hear how fab daddy is and for me not to be able to enjoy this sober version of him.

What myusername says is absolutely right.

Having said that, well done for recognising there was a problem, getting help and sticking with it. I salute you. It is everything but an easy thing. You can do it Nd the benefit will be enormous. Addictions bring loneliness, without it you get connection and that will sustain you. Flowers

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 21/11/2016 00:49

Thanks pippi. I think I knew there was a problem earlier...and not blaming dw for thus.....but dw in a way made it easy to drink...never really challenged me about it, besides the odd comment....had I known how miserable it was making her....I don't know if I would have made a better effort or not. I did try a number of times....reducing alcohol, weekends only, giving up (longest was two weeks) etc etc.

Re the being able to enjoy the sober daddy etc, all dw has to do is let me in a little bit, not a let's jump back into h&w situation but start to try and connect again...

Part of me ATM feels that DW is actively fighting seeing the good in me, or seeing any sort of change.

I'm hoping that DW eventually sees what her leaving was for me....it was the convincer that alcohol was ruining my life, and pushing everyone away....the catch 22 is, I wasn't going to see that until DW left....and if dw had stayed I'd probably be pissed now.

I'm hoping that dw seeing that almost as soon as she left I took action might make her realise why I stopped (although I'm staying stopped for me) might make her realise that even though I was an alcoholic I couldn't control it, but I did and still do still love her

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