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Horrible parents (long)

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RubbishMantra · 03/03/2015 19:31

Ok, so my dad's not well. It's changed him a lot in the past few years, but he's always been very controlling.

My mother has always been pretty unpleasant, liking us as babies, but as we began to develop our own personalities and views, she went off us. They liked (and still do) to play favourites.

A couple of years ago they cut one of my sisters out their lives, and out of their will. They've decided they like her again, and have cut my other sister off. My father rang me up to tell me about this. I told him, in a measured way, that I think that's out of order, and to think about what he's doing. He responded like a petulant child, and put the phone down. I always used to be the one who nodded and smiled to keep them off my back.

Both of my siblings were cut off at different times. this was after they'd travelled abroad to see the parents, due to worry about father's ill health. My father has said at different times they're after his money.

I'm in the process of selling a property abroad for them, my father's too ill and she's never had to do anything for herself, so I have to keep some contact until it's sold.

I haven't been well for a couple of months (going through barrage of tests). They know this, but the only time it's been acknowledged is to say "You'll feel better soon, when the weather gets warmer.", even after i sent a pleading email asking them do they care at all.

I suppose what I'm asking is, until I can go no contact, how do I detach? I keep checking my emails in the hope their might be something caring from them.

Sorry if rambly.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/03/2015 13:30

It is NOT your fault your parents are this way; you did not do that damage to them. their own families of origin did that.

Practically all people who have been on the receiving end of such toxic parents even as adults look for their approval, just as you are doing now. You are very much still in FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) with regards to them. You will not get this approval you still seek and such psychologically unhealthy people do not change.

I would not do anything more for these people forthwith, give this property sale to a Solicitor to sort out. They are not at all appreciative and do not actually want your help; they just want you to do everything for them. They've trained you to put your own self last and serve them.

Do read "Toxic Parents" written by Susan Forward and consider as well posting on the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread.

Lottapianos · 04/03/2015 13:32

I've always had praise from my mother when I'm at my thinnest, or wearing an outfit that makes me look slim. I have dropped 2-3 dress sizes in the last couple of years due to taking much better care of myself (diet and exercise) as a way of managing my depression. I do feel very good for it but I hate anybody commenting on how slim I look as actually the weight loss comes from a very sad and dark place. Of course, my mother thinks its all wonderful and has commented on it a lot - if she only knew what a part she played in it!

Missqwerty · 04/03/2015 13:52

It sounds to me as if you are hoping they might change, see the errors of their ways. Unfortunately I doubt it will happen. It seems they always need to make one of you the scapegoat, a narcissistic way of having control. They don't treat you with love from what you describe. Using their will to feel superior and keep you all in check. To love Is to care, care deeply and as a parent that should be unconditional. My Dad had a son from a previous marriage, that son was a nightmare and in and out of prison, on drugs and lost his child to the care system. He also tried to steal from my dad and poison him whwn off his head on drugs. My dad disliked yet couldn't stop loving him, even on his death bed he asked for him.

Of course our parents sometimes disagree, even interfere.. but a good parent will try learn from mistakes as they put their child first. Your parents sound controlling and cruel tbh. Also what they said about liking your sister who they previously cut off, sounds very black and white and totally immature. The attitude of- oh we approve of her now, so we will love her again!

RubbishMantra · 04/03/2015 13:59

Christ, I just had a proper read through of Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers. It's like i was reading a very detailed description of her. Describes her perfectly.

They trained us from a young age Attila, by saying they "worried about us and couldn't sleep". Like worrying was an actual activity, that you set time aside for each day. I've been trying to work up the courage to post about them for a while now, but didn't quite know how to put it into words. I think I may have posted on "Stately Homes", but then got a bit lost, IYKWIM.

Lotta, it's crap when they judge you on appearance instead of seeing you for yourself isn't it? When I sent my mother some wedding photos, she exclaimed how pretty my maid of honor/witness and the flowers were. Not a word about me. (God that sounds petulant!)

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RubbishMantra · 04/03/2015 14:11

You're right Misqwerty, I check my emails too much to see if there will be something caring. I don't even know why, I wouldn't even want it really. Maybe just some acknowledgement of being heard I suppose?

That's a sad but loving story about your Dad and his son.

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Lottapianos · 04/03/2015 14:19

It doesn't sound petulant at all to expect a compliment from your own mother when showing her your wedding photos.

It's so messed up Rubbish. Its completely unlike a friend or someone else who really cares for you - they would feel happy for you and would pay you a compliment that they genuinely meant, with no strings attached, and no sting in the tail. Mothers like ours seem to feel a toxic mixture of deep jealousy mixed with pride that their daughter looks 'good' i.e. thin.

The 'worrying' thing drives me demented. If there was a gold medal for worrying, or more specifically, talking about how worried you are, my MIL would get it. We had to leave our rented flat and find a new place to buy a couple of years ago and all MIL could say about it was 'oh I shall worry about you both so much' Hmm Yeah, thanks for that. Not helpful. No genuine interest in how we were feeling, or where we were looking, or how the search was going. And when she came to visit our new, freshly decorated flat, she said not one word about it until my DP asked her what she thought.

Everything has to be all about them. Grr. Detach, detach, detach - the only way to sanity.

springydaffs · 04/03/2015 14:24

It is SO NOT petulant to expect your mum to say something lovely about you when you were a MOH!! Shock

she sounds like a right cow.

I've read through my ramblings and it looks like I'm saying 'look at me, I've got it right'. Gawd, that is SO not my intention - I'm so sorry if it made you feel crap, or whatever. I am late 50s and I've been working at this since my mid 30s. Perhaps some of the work I've done has actually begun to bear fruit at last. It is a tortuous road.

I can do this with my parents now - yay, result - but I couldn't face my siblings. I shake, no quake , at the thought of them. The anger I feel could power Brazil.

springydaffs · 04/03/2015 14:29

You were the bride! That's even WORSE!! Shock Shock Angry

springydaffs · 04/03/2015 14:32

I refuse to call you Rubbish, Mantra Daffodil

RubbishMantra · 04/03/2015 15:08

Grin I prefer Mantra anyway.

You didn't make me feel like crap, Springy, I feel somewhat lighter talking to other people that can relate. Before now, I've only talked to my sisters (and we all get wound up) and therapists.

Poor old hubby gets his ears talked off about it, and has agreed to field phone calls and read any emails from them, and tell me if there's anything important in them. Usually it's just whining.

Do you think it's your parents who've alienated you from your siblings? My parents have always tried to "divide and conquer" us. And it's worked. My eldest sis and me are just rebuilding a relationship, but middle sis is ignoring us cos she's now goldenchild.

Lotta are you sure you're not me Grin When we were teenagers, out with my mother and blokes would check us out, whistle or whatever, she'd preen and say they were checking her out. Also, the no make-up rule. No bra even! Apparently I "didn't have breasts". Eventually she took me to the end of sale and made me rummage around in the bargain bins for some. No fitting obviously. I was 13 by then.

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Lottapianos · 04/03/2015 15:26

Isn't it weird how many similarities there can be between total strangers' stories?! I find it extremely therapeutic talking to other people who 'get it'.

Refusing to get you fitted for a bra is just horrible. Sounds like a mixture of raging jealousy at your youth and developing body, and being terrified of you growing up and not being dependent on her in the same way any more. Making you rummage in bargain bins must have been an extremely damaging lesson about how its not worth taking care of yourself Sad

My mother loves little babies too - well, the cuddling and gazing part, not so much when they start to cry! She can't shush them quick enough. She cannot handle need from anyone. I think of her as a young child herself - I dont' think she's ever matured emotionally past the age of about 6. Its kind of weird to think of my own mother as a child, but she honestly is. She can't share, can't take turns, can't wait, can't really think of anybody but herself.

Do you mind me asking how you feel about choosing not to be a mother? Is it something you feel sad about, or do you feel relieved of the burden of trying not to be your mother? Or somewhere in between of course!

RubbishMantra · 04/03/2015 16:30

Oh god Lotta, My mother's exactly the same! In a conversation, she interrupts as soon as anyone begins to speak, talking over them. very loudly.

When I got my first period, I spent the whole day plucking up the courage to tell her. She told me to go to the shops for sanitary towels. I think she might have even told me to use my pocket money.

The having children thing? I suppose I just never had a maternal instinct. Had a pregnancy scare with hubby a while ago, and I mean scare. Yet when hubby and I were going through a tough period a while back, she advised me to get pregnant. Apparently it "worked for her". (Her and my father are miserable as anything, slept in separate rooms since they were early 40's) She bangs on about wanting a grandchild. Knowing i don't want children. She even once said she hoped I'd get pregnant accidentally, and that "I wouldn't get rid of it would I?"

Oh it feels good to get this shit out!

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Lottapianos · 04/03/2015 16:56

'Her and my father are miserable as anything, slept in separate rooms since they were early 40's'

Same with my parents! Are you my long lost sister or something? Smile

My parents have a truly horrible marriage - loads of emotional abuse on both sides, silent treatments that go on for months. It came out a few years ago that my dad has been messing around with other men for years. He doesn't know that us 'kids' know, but she told us in secret. Nice. They are still together - its all been swept under the carpet. I think the 'shame' of their marriage ending would kill them both - appearances are absolutely everything. And I guess they are, when you have no real substance to your life. My ILs are the same - still together, but without the pretence, they just openly loathe each other Sad It horrifies and mystifies me. Such a waste of a life that could have been happy, for the sake of what everyone else thinks.

RubbishMantra · 04/03/2015 18:23

Bloody hell! Parallel Universe or what!

My mother told me when I was 11 that my father was impotent. But she was pleased because "she didn't like it anyway, and neither would I, because men want to do disgusting things." Shock which made me all the more curious But, how horrible is this, she'd even tried going down there with her mouth (her words) Just eek and yeuch. Why tell an 11 yr old that? Did she expect me to give her tips on pleasing her man or something? (gallows humour)

I didn't get married till I was in my late 30's, and the only reason I did was because I fell in love, which is something I didn't think I was capable of. Many of the previous generation got married for convenience, then "made do", didn't they?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/03/2015 18:34

This link may be helpful to you as well rubbishmantra:-

www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/narcissistic-mothers-strange-sexuality.html

Am glad that your DH acts as a buffer between you and they but I would now seriously consider blocking all their means of communication.

RubbishMantra · 04/03/2015 18:52

Yup Attila, she once invited me into the bathroom, where she was pissed, nude and splayed on the toilet, to ask if I wanted to "look at her."

I was six.

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RubbishMantra · 04/03/2015 19:03

Oh, and when she first met DH, she told him about a gyno exam she once had. Also about the bloke across the road who keeps trying to get off with her.

Yet when I was 16, and she found contraceptive pills in my room, I was sent into therapy. Which they took me out of because they thought my therapist was "a bad influence". Confused

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springydaffs · 04/03/2015 19:58

gosh, mantra. What you describe isn't just your 'average' dysfunctional, insane, fucked family. This is right up there abuse and neglect

My parents may be fucked in the head but they wouldn't do that stuff.

I agree with Atilla that it would be appropriate for you to work towards not having any contact with them at all.

springydaffs · 04/03/2015 20:02
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Lottapianos · 04/03/2015 22:26

That is seriously messed up stuff Rubbish. Deeply disturbing. You poor thing.

RubbishMantra · 05/03/2015 11:41

But see, if I were to call her on the bathroom thing, she'd deny it ever happened.

Like my poor sister got abused by my uncle who was living with them for a while. He was 19 and I think she was about 5. She told my parents about 15 years ago. My father rang him and asked him if he'd done it, of course the pervert denied it, and he believed him over his own daughter.

I'm working on the NC, I almost am anyway. Thankfully I live a looong way from them.

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Lottapianos · 05/03/2015 12:43

'But see, if I were to call her on the bathroom thing, she'd deny it ever happened'

Yep. That's how these people operate - denial, minimising, rewriting history, inventing the truth to suit themselves. But you know it happened.

Her sexual comments are really grim. My mother has hinted strongly that her and my dad haven't had much, um, intimacy over the years, but never gave me any graphic details and dear god, I think I might have turned to stone if she had. She used me and my sister as emotional toilets and marriage counsellors from the age of about 11, and listening to the details of the emotional stuff that was going on between them felt violating enough.

And your poor sister Sad It just beggars belief that anyone could brush stuff like that under the carpet. It must have been devastating to have told her story after so many years, and then to be branded a liar by her own father.

You are so well out of all this OP. I know it hurts, its not easy, its not like flicking a switch and its all magically better. But no-one needs people like this in their life

RubbishMantra · 05/03/2015 14:18

Oh, it's worse than that even. Same sister disclosed an assault that happened to her at the age of 18, about 10 yrs after it happened. Both my parents and i were there when she told us about it. They made no move to comfort her. I felt very inadequate, yet cuddled her. I referred to it a while back to my mother, and she said, "That never happened!, I don't remember her telling us that."

And grrr, i signed all the stuff she wanted for the property sale abroad and sent it back to her. Guess what? I have an email saying she's sent it back to me because she "has no Europe stamps (wtf?!), and I must obtain these "Europe stamps" and send it to their solicitor ASAP"

I sent her an email back saying I have no clue what Europe stamps are, and that she will be fine using English ones. Couldn't resist putting a :) at the end.

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RubbishMantra · 05/03/2015 14:24

And Lotta, you hit the nail on the head. Emotional toilets.

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Lottapianos · 05/03/2015 15:00

It's just awful Mantra. They sound like the sort of people who are never happy, nothing will ever be quite enough for them. Well done for standing up to your mother - you are not her slave.

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