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My girlfriend of 13 years has fallen out of love with me & wants to split - I need help

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dylanp · 11/07/2014 18:30

Hi, I've specifically come on here because I wanted to try and get some impartial advice - and maybe some coping strategies too - from people who may have found themselves in my own crushing position or who can empathise and understand how the beautiful woman I am engaged to (and have been with for 13 years - we have a 10 year old daughter too) feels.

Where to start.

Firstly, there's no infidelity. Never has been, never would be - I love my partner and she's the one. She always has been. We've been together a long time and had many many happy times, we're best friends, we have loads in common, we've been through a lot together and I absolutely adore her. We have an incredible daughter and we're a great family. We've had problems over recent years - money, illness, stress etc. but things are actually on the up. We've almost cleared all our debts and will have a lot more disposable income. My business is really starting to go places. My girlfriend is doing great with her job - a job where she really helps people and has an impact. Everybody likes my girlfriend - she's a beautiful, kind and funny person and I want to point out from the start that I'm the bad guy in all this, she's done nothing wrong. Everything that's happening has been brought on by me. I have so many regrets and I have been such an idiot for such a long time.

Until recently - until I woke up that is - I have always put myself first. I've been lazy and incredibly selfish. It's always been a case of it's my way or the highway. I've controlled her, manipulated her and mentally abused her. I've never lifted a finger towards her - I'm certainly not that kinda guy - but I've said terrible things to her. Things I never ever meant but said to lash out. Things I've said to win arguments. Things I've said out of an inflated sense of entitlement and/or out of bravado. I've often not listened. When I've listened I've not heard. When she's needed love from me, although I absolutely always have been in love with her, I didn't show it or say the right things. I've been lazy and not appreciated the things that have been important to her - simple things that I could easily have done. I've not focussed on making her happy - I've focussed on getting her tow my line and to be honest, god knows why because I don't want to change the wonderful person she is and never have so I have no idea what I was even trying to achieve. I've been a complete tool. I'll give you some examples of the awful things I've said. I've told her in the past that I was only with her because of our daughter. That was never true and I have no excuse for ever having said that. I told her once in the middle of a fiery row why doesn't she go hang herself. What kind of person says that? What the f* was wrong with me? I obviously never meant it. The thought of me ever doing anything that hurts her makes me feel physically sick, end of the day she is my best friend, the only person who has ever 'got me'. When she's really needed me, I've just not noticed. I haven't noticed the pain she's been in and she's rightfully lost respect for me over a long period of time.

We've had a few tough years - she was ill for over a year, work was difficult and from then forwards we haven't had much of a sex life. When we do it's fantastic - always has been - and for me that's one of the ways I connect. I've always thought that was enough and when we do connect like that, I can beat the world, it motivates me. I'd like to stress she's never withheld sex out of any kind of thing where she's playing games. Now of course I know that there's a lot more to it than sex - the sex starts way before the act in the little things - the talking, the closeness, the overall environment. Anyway, I've pressed and pressed the issue why - thinking of myself yet again. I've been raising the issue for months - and putting the blame on her, telling her we need to work on things. Thing is though, she's been working on it for a long, long time and I just haven't noticed.

I have changed a lot as a person over the last year or two - for the better. The old me is dead and I hate the person I was. We were so in love and we're so right for each other.

Anyway, it's come to a head and after a couple of weeks of anguish, soul searching, lots of talking and tears from both of us she's told me that she doesn't feel like she's in love with me anymore and that we should probably split. She feels like she's lost herself - lost the bubbly, happy person that she was. She's become numb. She's carried me and it's drained her. And she's right.

Now, when I heard those words, I basically collapsed. I have basically not eaten for over a week, I can't sleep and I couldn't cope or function at all. It was so bad that I went to the doctor who examined me, insisted I lie down and she personally went to the chemist, gave me valium there and then plus a prescription, cancelled her other appointments and sat and talked with me for almost an hour. The valium has helped me cope and it's been crucial because it is unfair on my girlfriend to see me in such a mess and feel like she's the cause. She can't be my therapist and shouldn't be. It's about what she feels, not what I feel.

I have complete clarity on what I want which is all well and good. But it's about what she wants. Of all the horrible things I have done, the worst would be to get her to stay with me out of pity and have her live a life where she's not happy. I desperately want her to be happy, she deserves it more than anyone I know.

She knows I am genuinely sorry for everything I have done. She knows I am utterly in love with her. She knows I will dedicate the rest of my life to being a better man and making her happy - not because I have to but because I want to. Her being happy makes me happy. There's not a bad bone in that girls body, she's a wonderful mother, an incredible girlfriend, she's kind, interesting, funny, super sexy and to be frank she should have left me years ago. Maybe we could have had more chance fixing it then while she still felt in love with me. But all these things are for nothing because it's about what she feels. We do both agree that the love is probably still there inside her - it's been too strong a bond and too deep a love not to be. But it's hidden and covered by all these negative emotions caused by me. She can't see the wood for the trees basically because of all this negative currency I have built up over the years. God I have been such a stupid fool, I've hurt her and I really don't deserve any better than what's happening to me now. There's been a lot of dumb trust issues too from my behalf - stuff born out of macho paranoia on my part. I've made her feel uncomfortable many times just going out to see her friends and it's something she rarely does anyway. I've basically tried to keep her to myself and it's back to the controlling person that I was.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not a terrible guy. I'm kind, I am thoughtful, I do and have done a lot of good things and most of our time together has been wonderful. I really hope she can think of all those moments and not just the negative ones. I hope she can think of the love in my eyes whenever I have looked into hers because that has always been the case. I hope she can bring back all the feelings as to why she fell in love with me.

It's like the stages of grief isn't it? I've been through denial, I've been through bargaining, I've been through begging (not with her, I know that's not right or fair) and I've been through anger (at myself). I'll never get through acceptance because not being with her will be my cancer.

Anyway, there is no acrimony. We talk, we hug each other, we kiss but all as you would between friends - which we are. I've made silly threats to her in the past - long ago and not of violence but of making her feel like it would be a nightmare if she ever left me. This is no excuse but I only ever did that out of fear of losing her. I'd never ever have done anything. I'm so terrified now of losing her, I genuinely feel like someone on death row must feel the night before they get executed. I will never do anything to hurt her again. Even if god forbid we do split, I will always be a great friend to her, I will always provide, she can have the house and everything in it. For all my many flaws past and present I am a great dad and we both have an amazing relationship with our daughter and that will never change. I think my daughter - who's smart as anything - will understand if we did split but of course, I am desperate not to hurt her. Again, to reiterate, my girlfriend/love of my life is not doing anything wrong here -she's grieved over a period of years. She's suffered. She's tried and I haven't seen it.

Anyway, where we are now is this. I realise she needs space. Space to try and fight through the rubble and find out whether there are any feelings still there. So initially I have moved out for 4 days. It's the hardest thing I have ever done. We've worked it so our daughter doesn't actually know what's going on which is good.

I said to her earlier that I think she probably needs at least a month and that's probably what we will do. Again, it kills me to be apart from her for 5 minutes but I think if there's any glimmer of hope then she needs distance from me to even just find out if she misses me at all. I don't want her to think that the solution to this pain - and she's in pain too - is splitting because I know that if we both make the genuine commitment to work on this probably that all that will lift and we'll never look back.

I know this is a long post and thanks for reading. It's a little cathartic actually to just write it down. My darling knows all this and she's accepted my sincerest apologies for everything I've done and we've really bared our souls in the last few weeks. But ultimately, saying all this doesn't actually change anything and it's all down to whether she can find that spark again, whether she can see any prospect of a happy future with me or whether she wants to cut her losses now while she feels like she still has a chance to start again somewhere down the line (she is 38).

I guess what I want to know is anyone who has been in a similar position - especially a woman. Did you get the love back? Is that possible? What's the best way for me to handle this all? I don't mean for me, I mean what's the best way for me to handle this for my girlfriend so that she hurts as little as possible? I absolutely don't want to try and smother her with my love and be pathetic - she still needs to see me as the strong man I am (I'm not an emotional person - part of my problem) and not some pathetic begging guy. That's why I do believe the space is important. She doesn't and wouldn't see couples therapy as helpful by the way, she knows her own mind.

Is there anything I can do to win her back? Not being with her will destroy me - it already is. How do people cope with this pain, it's horrific. If we do break for a month, would it be a good thing to try and go out together as friends or better to just be completely apart? What's best for her?

I am at the lowest ebb of my entire life. This is the most important thing that has ever happened to me. It's certainly been the biggest wake up call imaginable. I fear it's all too late though. I've no-one to blame but myself. I can and will make her happy and will dedicate my life to doing so, it's just whether I even get the chance to do that.

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gamerchick · 11/07/2014 18:59

Why do they always do the falling to bits woowoowooing all over the place though? It's all doctors and not eating Hmm then there's the angry stage when they aren't being taken back quick enough and the fight over the kids start if she tries to move on, like they haven't caused enough stress already and Lord when another man comes on the scene. I feel tired just thinking about it.

Seriously OP focus on getting your life back on track and be a good dad to your child. Leave your ex alone, don't try and have heart to hearts with her with 'just 15 minutes to hear you out' no.letters, no stuff being sent to the house. Just leave her alone to allow her to put her own head in order.

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TheHoneyBadger · 11/07/2014 19:02

and accept you got away with acting like an arsehole for a long, long time. you've had what, more than a decades worth of comfortable living off of this poor woman? you've already had way more than you deserve. an 'oh i just realised', 'that man is dead', 'i'm so sorry' doesn't cover it. nothing covers it tbh. but you have the rest of your life and relationships to be someone better - that's it. no time machines. you learn and move on.

welcome to the grown up world of no one owes you their soul to shit on.

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anyoldname76 · 11/07/2014 19:03

Thank god she's seen sense and finally got the courage to call it a day.
I don't believe for a second that you're a changed man and I hope for her sake she doesn't believe it either.

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TheHoneyBadger · 11/07/2014 19:05

anyoldname - wonder how long that change will last after realising it's not getting him his own way?

fast track to threats, rage, disparaging etc maybe with threats of taking the child and when that doesn't work threats of suicide and ya da ya da ya da.

i'm guessing they all think they're originals? they don't get the commonality of the script?

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hammyspammy · 11/07/2014 19:07

Urgh, you sound just like my ex, only he 'found god' as his wake-up call. He was pretty certain he couldn't live without me and laid that on thick as well as the 'I've changed, you have to help me work on our relationship'. Funnily enough when I learnt to ignore the emotional blackmail and the fake suicide attempts (am not taking the piss out of real suicidal feelings - this guy would text me while he was 'on a bridge' while really sat in his mums lounge) he got bored and managed to revive the 'dead' abuser and found someone else to 'love' (read: take that abuse).

If you've really changed, let the poor woman go, you've ground her down to feeling numb - let her get herself back and you put up and shut up for a while. Get therapy, talk to the gp, make your feelings anyone else's problem but hers and when you're ready to be the changed man ALL the time settle yourself to being friends with her. If she can fall back in love with you she will, if not then tough luck. You survived before you met her, do her a favour and get used to surviving without her again. You messed this up, you face the consequences like the strong man you want her to think you are.

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eddielizzard · 11/07/2014 19:10

well i think being an utter shit has completely killed your relationship. best thing you can do now is learn from it and not repeat those mistakes.

you have to accept that she doesn't want to continue the relationship.

good for you for admitting what you've done. take it on board and make your life, and others' better by respecting what they say.

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scottishmummy · 11/07/2014 19:10

If you love her,and do care fir her let her go to meet someone else
That's it.no convoluted explanation.you've stifled her.shes had enough
try change your dysfunctional behaviour,try reflect on your pattern and break it

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coppertop · 11/07/2014 19:11

"I am truly sorry for it but that person I was is dead."

I teach my children that the word "sorry" should never be followed by the word "but".

And no, you are still very much alive. You did this. Deal with the consequences.

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hammyspammy · 11/07/2014 19:11

Real men (and women) doing real love value their partner as much as themselves. If being with me had wrecked DP to the point you're describing I love him enough to make damn sure I took the hit of having to live without him than make him take the hit of having to carry on living with me. Anything less isn't love.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 11/07/2014 19:12

For your daughter's sake getting along as well as you can is to be prized but you are not letting this woman have any space to think, to breathe.

We do both agree that the love is probably still there inside her.

I said to her earlier that I think she probably needs at least a month and that's probably what we will do

Look dylanp isn't that for her to decide? The 'spark' may have gone long ago. By your own admission you were oblivious to her hurt. She must have given you chance after chance. She probably went numb to protect herslf. Not waving but drowning. Now you are in shock. You're waking up. Things feel raw.

Even when you say things like, "What's best for her?" I'm not sure you are looking for answers to that one. Actions not words are what count. Let go. Be the best dad for your daughter you can be. A 10 year old might not have witnessed bad moments between you and her mother but she won't have been immune to any atmosphere.


"I am at the lowest ebb of my life. This is the most important thing that has ever happened to me ".

Not denying you feel how you do but this is her life too. She can choose what she wants.

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MaryMungoAndMidgies · 11/07/2014 19:13

I can't say anything, except that I feel exactly the same as your girlfriend. I'm at the same point as her. As I said on another thread he has spent so long chipping away at me, I don't even feel the bits breaking off any more. I'm so numb that I don't even hurt.

I suspect my boyfriend will be in exactly the same position as you very soon.

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Lweji · 11/07/2014 19:15

If she told you she wants out it's because she has given up hope that you will actually be the person she needs.
And my guess is she's letting you off gently.

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TheWorldAccordingToJC · 11/07/2014 19:15

God and the ' cancer ' line!

Stop mooning about like a daffy teenager and grow up a bit. Wah wah wah ... Me me meeeeee

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maras2 · 11/07/2014 19:15

Boo bloody hoo.Now ODFOD.

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Itsfab · 11/07/2014 19:15

I don't believe the bit about the GP at all or if it is true and you were that bad you need more help that a website can give.

Leave your girlfriend alone.

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magoria · 11/07/2014 19:16

Good luck to your girlfriend I hope she uses the month you are giving her Hmm to build a strong enough base to get away from you permanently.

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magoria · 11/07/2014 19:18

Oh and I hope she stays strong on the couples counselling it is not recommended where one party is the sort who spent 13 years I've controlled her, manipulated her and mentally abused her

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Mabelface · 11/07/2014 19:18

Leave her alone. She gets to make her own decisions whether you're being dramatic or not. She's had enough, and quite frankly, who can blame her. Put your efforts into being a good father to your daughter, who has not had a good paternal role model with regard to relationships.

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anyoldname76 · 11/07/2014 19:18

I can see it now honeybadger, as soon as he realises that there is no going back from this he'll revert to more emotional abuse, threats, harassing her.
Just leave her alone OP, you've probably put her off men for life.
God I'm sick to that back teeth of selfish fuckwits today Angry

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FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 11/07/2014 19:20

An uncanny similarity here too.

Your "epiphany" is 13 years too late. You have killed her feelings stone dead. Not the "past you" or some other separate "you", but you, the op, you did this. You are not a different person. You can change, but not to her. Not for her. You've had more than enough chances to change in 13 years. You knew before now that telling her to hang herself was abusive. It's not the case that you've "suddenly realised" it's that you now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

And that hurts.

The way that you can show you have changed is by letting her go easily. Be fair with division of possessions, see your dd regularly (and yes she will have picked up on the dynamic of your relationship, and yes you have made her future more likely to contain an abusive partner), pay fair maintenance reliably, and let her go.

Your relationship is over. You'll be ok. She'll be ok. But you won't be ok together.

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dylanp · 11/07/2014 19:20

Hammy yours is about the most inciteful post and you're right. First, there's no suicide threats or anything like that, I hate those guys too. There's no emotional blackmail either and I get the fact I've made my bed. I'm not trying to coerce her at all. Yes, of course I don't want her to go because I love her but I totally understand if she does. There will never be a single argument over our daughter, no threats of taking our daughter. She's my number one priority in this along with my partner. If we split I will fully accept it and only ever try to be the best friend I can possibly be to her, regardless of who she is with. And I've left not to be dramatic or control her but to do exactly what you said - make my problems and my pain mine and not hers. I deserve much of what has been said by people. And I don't do rage or anything like that. I make no excuses for loving her though, nor do I excuse being a twat up until a few years back. She's seen me totally change since then but the damage was done. Reading through my post, it probably does sound self centred because I am hurting and I wouldn't be human if I wasn't. But because I do love her deeply, I will let her go and I don't want her to feel a shred of guilt over it nor will I do anything to make her feel bad about her decision.

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QueenQueenie · 11/07/2014 19:20

Oh poor you.
You have been abusive for 13 years and your partner has had enough.
Your pride is dented and you are still refusing to respect her choices or believe that she means what she says...
I think you should stay single op and devote yourself to a life of celibacy, that should do it.

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mumtosome61 · 11/07/2014 19:26

I don't doubt you love her, dylanp. But I think you love your needs more than hers, otherwise the emotional abuse wouldn't occur.

You have tried to have control - you've asked what YOU can do to get HER back because rather than let her make her own decisions, you know best - you two should be together. Except, if you two were supposed to be together, you wouldn't have acted like a twat in the first place and you would have listened to her. If she's seen you totally change like your protest, her longevity in your relationship would indicate that she would be incline to stick it out to see if your 'change' lasted - the fact she has still decided that she no longer feels in love with you can probably attest that those 'changes' are not quite as significant as you make them out to be.

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maras2 · 11/07/2014 19:27

The more you write the more nauseus I get.What on earth made you think that mumsnet was a good place to open your heart < bleurgh >? There is a similar sounding site that will be more tolerant of your breast beating nonsense.Try there.

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JaceyBee · 11/07/2014 19:28

To be fair to you OP, you do show a level of insight into your motivations and behaviours that is unusual in an abuser which suggests that therapy would be a good option for you and something that you might benefit from a great deal as far as your future relationships go. Book yourself onto an abuser programme and see a therapist for YOURSELF though, not because you think it will get you your gf back.

I think that it's too late for you with this woman. Please respect her decision and give her space. You won't die, people get dumped every day for all kinds of reasons. Yes it hurts but you'll feel better in time. Just don't let it be a waste, learn from this experience and use it to enrich the person you become.

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