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So here's my story - read it and weep (you have been warned)

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BulletProofMum · 10/11/2011 11:15

I am married with three lovely children (6, 4, 20m). On the first day of the summer holidays I was preparing a barbecue on one side of the house whilst my husband was trying to light a bonfire on the other. He was looking after the baby or was toddling around the courtyard with her dolls pushchair. The older children wer inside watching t.v.

I heard shouting and then my eldest calling on me. I went round to find the bonfire out of control and my daughter's pushchair at the base of it. I went inside to find my husband sobbing and the skin hanging off his hands and arms. My daughter was in the bath screaming. What I thought were her clothes hanging off her was her skin. The ambulance took forever. My daughter was taken first to a hospital 25 min away and my husband to another. She was intially asessed as having 70 % burns. They battled to stabilise her, no one would answer my question ' will she be alright'? She was stablised, ventilated and transferred to a specialist burnes unit in Essex. She spent 32 days in intensive care, underwent 7 operations, survived 2 bouts of pneumonia, partial lung collapse, GI failure, metabolic instability. It was a roller coaster. The first two weeks were critical and she was extremely poorly. Numerous heart breaking conversations were had - I can't descibe the pain of those weeks. My husband was at the same hospital wit 15 % burns.

Once she turned the corner her progress has been fantastic. She has grafts to her face, hands, tummy, legs and large scars all over. Three times a day I have to cream and masage her, apply silicon gels and dressings, and then put on pressure garments (tight mask, gloves, leggings and body suit) that make her look like a super hero). She is extremely itchy and takes 5 drugs for this but still doesn't sleep well and scratches constantly. It wakes about 3/4 hr to do it properly. She develped blood clots so needs twice daily injections of a type of warfarin that I administer. My husband can't help and his hands are slow to heal (he had grafts up to hs elbows) and he has limited movement and pain in his hands.

So - my life is crap! My beautiful bay girls is scarred and uncomfortable (although copes remarkably well). I constantyl have to go through her massaing routine which she is becoming more tolerant of but is staill ahrd. The worst bi is puting on the gloves. She runs to my husband after I have doen the crap bit. We are back and forward to hospital (2 hr each way) once or twice a week. My poor boys have to play second fiddle all the time and I barely saw them throughout the summer. They are wonderfult o ehr though and super protective. Everywhere we go we are stared out and nudged (she wears a pink balaclava, the opressure garment).

However all this will improve as her scars mature (moths/years rather than weeks).

But here's the crux of it. Will I lose my marriage as well? My husband left a bottle of petrol, in a vegtable oil container, about 10 ft away from the bonfire, whilst in charge of a toddler. I don't know whether she picked it up but it was this that exploded. I have berated him 101 times about using petrol on bonfires, also on putting petrol (or any chemical) in stupid containers. He would give his life to turn the clock back and it was an accident. However it was a completely avoidable accident that I hold him 100% responsible for. He is a broken man but as time goes on I am finidng it harder to forgive rather than easier. What are my other options? A single mum working full time with three small children, one of whom needs an awful lot of care? I just don't know.

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cestlavielife · 11/11/2011 13:51

i dont think you can hold your H 100 per cent responsible - you apparently made a joint decision to light two fires at the same time and decided he would be in charge of both bonfire and toddler. (unless of course you asked him to leave the bonfire for another day? or you didnt KNOW he was lighitng a fire?)

also you both decided to have the two other young children inside - any of them could have come out at any time. wandered towards bbq or fire and got hurt.

of course maybe without the petrol nothing would have happened but this was a risky situaiton - two adults each involved in fire lighting, different sides of the house -leaving three children effectivley wandering around.

if someone is lighting a barbecue - the other adult has to be fully involved in monitoring the dc
if someone is lighiting a bonfire - the other adult has to be fully involved in monitoring the three dc under 6 .


but it happened.
you cannot go back.

we have all had lapses of attention.

you have to move on.

get angry at the lack of support you getting, get angry at the fact you doing everything with apaprently no help at home . think of the other two dc who maybe lacking in attention.

target and channel your anger/strong feelings towards positive action to getting more help to deal with the day to day practicalities of day to day life post-accident. to help you all move forward.

you CAN move forward from this, together, with the right help. you still have three DC who need you both . your H certainly did not intend this to happen (however foolish and lax he as with dangerous items) and he is physically hurt too - maybe you can see that as penalty enough for what happened? he is scarred physically for life too.

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BoffinMum · 11/11/2011 14:14

Tough love time now.

FWIW I also think it was a bad idea for you both to be involved with different things that needed your full attention at the same time. I think you are going to have to address the point that neither of you comes out of this particularly well, and at the moment, that revelation will be hard, because through blaming your DH for the petrol, it allows you to ignore your own part in the proceedings (presuming you knew he was about to light a bonfire). Facing that fact, your own involvement, is going to be a very traumatic moment for you, but this will need to be done in order to be able to forgive him his part, I think.

But before you think I am judging you, I am sure this could have happened to any number of parents, and as others have said on here, I am sure there must have been many times in the past where I was not as attentive as I might have been, with the only difference being that I managed to escape serious consequences. For example driving with a headache - something we all probably end up doing now and then, but given the right set of circumstances, it could mean our reaction times are too long to avoid a fatal collision brought about by someone else's greater inattention. It's only the hand you are dealt by luck that makes a difference.

What does come out of all these posts is the need for you to start talking about what happened, in whatever context, and to make a concerted decision at some point to forgive and move on. This is unlikely to be possible in the immediate future, but I imagine one day you will realise it is time and be able to do it, if you want to.

I hope you find the peace you need in your heart. xx

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BulletProofMum · 11/11/2011 14:25

Stockett - I think you sum it up. He was stupid enough to leave petrol by a bonfire whilst in control of a toddler. However he did have the strength to pick her her whilst she was burning and sustain severe injuries and get her in the house and put the flames out.

I do want o forgive him and this morning we did try to talk a little on the way to the hospital but it was hard and emotional. I reassured him that I believe that we can through this and that I want to get through this. Something that I haven't said for a long time and as a direct result of this thread. However I was too tired and emotional for a long conversation. IDD had woken at about 1.00 am then spent the night crawling aroudn the bed itching and would only sleep whilst lying on top of me. I can't sleep like that. At 4 I went to DH and swapped. Got back to sleep at 4.30, then up at 5 to try to beat the M25 traffic to Chelmsford. She has her last set of pressure garments so is now covered apart from mouth, nose, eyes, tips of fingers in her powere rangers outfit.

Th suggestion that forgiveness is an active decision has got me thinking. I also have assumed that it will come to me (or not as the case may be). I will work on it.

To those that encourage me to accept blame as well. I accept maybe 5% - leaving DD wioth him when he had a bonfire going. However it wouldn't have/didn't occur to me that he would put petrol anywhere near it. About 10 years ago he chucked petrol on a bonfire during when we had friends over and the subsequent fire ball only narrowly missed a baby. Just to clairfy - I didn't have a fire going on the other side of the house - I was taking food out in preparation to cook later on our gas barby. Bonsoir, you're post in particular seems to suggest equal responsibility. I'm just going there. I have too much on my plate already.

Apart from in the 24hr immediately following the accident I have not mentioned his stupidity. He knows and fully accepts blame. There has been no need to recriminate. I do need to know the exact details and will ask him to walk me through when the time is right. I need to know as he has been vague. He says she didn't pick the bottle up but I believe this is what happened. He says he saw her behind him then there was a trickle of flame along the ground before it exploded. DS1 describes seeing daddy running in the house carrying DD who was surrounded in light. I don't want the children to grow up hating him. DS's don't. We had to choose the way to explain very carefully. DS said in the summer: ' I wish DD hadn't gone near the fire then Daddy wouldn't have had to save her then we'd all be living together'. We have explained that it was an accident but DH should have been looking after her a bit better.

Vannah - thanks for sharing, I'll be in touch if that OK.

Oh Doadmit - I'm so sorry for your loss. The one thing I have focussed on is that I watched an extremely sick child get well and that I still have her. Many such as yourself have seen the reverse - my heart goes out to you.

Wannabe - he is in a dark place as well. We are planning on going for a drink this evening. It is just so hard to get out. It is near 8 by the time I have done all her creaming and injections etc. She is settled for an hour or two before getting itchy and vocal. We have an au pair to babysit but she would be unable to comfort her.

Loads nore to say, responses to give but need to do creaming before pick up!

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BoffinMum · 11/11/2011 14:55

That all makes sense now, and I understand your reaction better, and his.

I do wonder if there is anyone out there with medical expertise who can come over for a couple of hours once a week so you two can go out for a drink regularly. Obviously the AP is limited in what she can do here. I am wondering where other people think such help might be available from?

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cestlavielife · 11/11/2011 15:30

hospital burns unit outreach support shouold be able to advise -there is help out there

www.bugssalisbury.co.uk/

www.burncentrecare.co.uk/support.html

www.dansfundforburns.org/

www.dansfundforburns.org/contentAboutLinks.php

www.katiepiperfoundation.org.uk/

social services support for children with disabilities/children in need - sure start/home start.

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pinkstarlight · 11/11/2011 17:31

i really feel for you deep down you must be so angry,you have coped with so much but underneath its eating away at you.cant blame you for that im sure i would be the same.

your husband made a terrible mistake a big terrible mistake and hes going to have to live with the guilt for the rest of his life,i cant help feeling sorry for him what a thing to have to live with.

i dont know if its possible for your marriage to survive,if it is possible its going to take a long time to heal.have you thought of councelling would at least help you work through your feelings.

i hope you can work things out,its a sad situation all round.

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MooncupGoddess · 11/11/2011 18:05

So sorry to hear what you are going through, OP. This bit does make his behaviour even harder to understand:

About 10 years ago he chucked petrol on a bonfire during when we had friends over and the subsequent fire ball only narrowly missed a baby. Shock

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Oakmaiden · 11/11/2011 18:33

To posters who speak of "who is to blame" - I do wonder if blame at all is helpful? I get what you are saying, but I wonder if BPM really needs to move beyond who is to blame, and to somehow find the strength to just accept that it was an awful thing to happen. It was an accident, and accidents (through inattention, of lack of foresight or crap judgement) can happen to anyone. You and your family were extremely unlucky and would do anything to turn back time and do it all differently, but sadly we don't get that chance.

I wish there was something concrete I could do to help, but sadly I am in deepest darkest Wales.I am sending you my very best wishes though. I think your story is one that will stay with me forever.

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TheOriginalFAB · 11/11/2011 18:39

I think the fact he has done this before - and was bloody lucky the baby wasn't burnt - makes it really hard to understand how he could be so stupid again.

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thunderboltsandlightning · 11/11/2011 18:54

It's not really a mistake, it was neglect which something else and far more serious. Neglect is an active choice, even if it involves doing nothing. Not keeping things safe for a toddler is an active choice. You also said he nearly burned a baby with a fire ball ten years ago. That was the time for his wake-up call but he didn't take it.

FWIW I couldn't forgive this and more importantly wouldn't see a reason to, but if you want to I'm sure you'll find a way.

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EleanorRathbone · 11/11/2011 18:58

I agree Oakmaiden, there's not much mileage in allocating blame.

But it is very important that the OP is allowed to work through her feelings and not deny them or bury them. And if she can't get over the blame thing, then that has to be respected. I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of telling anyone else they must try and forgive someone who has done something so awful. The OP's subsequent posts make it clear that this wasn't just an unforseeable accident, it has actually happened before with less appalling consequences and I think that's what lies behind her rage. (Sorry to talk about you in the third person OP.)

BPM what does your DH say about his feelings about what happened? Because I think that in the light of your subsequent posts, this forgiveness just isn't genuinely going to happen, unless he honestly explores what it was that led him to believe that taking such a pointless, terrible risk, was something worth doing.

What I have experienced and read about forgiveness, is that it is a two way process. It can't happen just from one person. If people are honest, mostly what they say is that they can't forgive people who don't acknowledge the wrong they did, but that as soon as someone honestly stated outright that they were wrong, it suddenly became easy (I am not suggesting that this is universal and that it will suddenly become easy for you). I suspect that it's not enough for your dH to acknowledge that he did something wrong - that's obvious - he has to explore why it was, that having actually seen the potential consequences of the risk he took, and having had you on the case previously about his lax attitude to safety, he took such a reckless course of action that day. I think he needs to be honest with himself and with you, before you can even think of forgiving him, because pretending to forgive while not easy, is a damned sight easier than genuinely forgiving someone who hasn't really stripped bare the real reasons why they took a wrong course of action. And it sounds like that process hasn't even begun to happen yet and your DH may not yet be ready to go there, you may have to give him some time to get to that stage, which will impact on where you're at.

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thunderboltsandlightning · 11/11/2011 19:05

Very good points about forgiveness Eleanor.

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nordiccamper · 11/11/2011 19:07

This is just a horrific and tragic tale. I absolutely don't blame you for being angry and think you shouldn't try and feel anything else for a while. You should be angry, your lives are in turmoil and there is an obvious person to blame.

Why don't you let yourself indulge in it, it doesn't have to be permanent but don't fight it, let yourself be furious. I have no doubt that your emotions will change over time but don't try to rush anything just yet. You are all in such early days and you can't fix everything at once. Concentrate on healing your daughter, and finding some time for your sons and your DH. You need a fuck load of support and i hope to god you all are getting it.

My DS was very ill and facing his death was hideous, though at the time i kept it all together. THe dynamic in my relationship changed as afterwards i am angry and my husband has borne the brunt of that despite it being an illness and not being an accident.

Take small steps, you will not learn to live with this for a long time. Get a decent psychotherapist to help you. Keep your family close, and love them. The worst has happened and you will learn to cope with it just don't expect a dramatic epiphany of forgiveness to happen just yet.

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frutilla · 11/11/2011 19:25

What a tragedy, can't say how sorry I am to read this. I agree with other posters, don't try and work things out until your DD is much better and you aren't feeling so emotionally raw. How wonderful that she made it through the intensive care despite a whole list of illnesses and medical problems. That is a gift for which I would be grateful and I'd try to focus on that and the way forward for your wellbeing, DD's and the rest of the family.

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fannybaws · 11/11/2011 20:55

Hi OP I could not read and not post.
From your posts you seem exhausted above almost everything else, is anyone supporting you??
Do you have any family/ friends who could lighten your load a little?
Totally echo many posters up the thread re giving yourself years to recover, maybe hold onto the thought that you did have a good marriage before the accident and in time can have again.
xx

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SigningGirl · 11/11/2011 21:46

Hi OP,

I don't normally post on Mumsnet (am a bit of a lurker) but had to tell you how sorry I am that this has happened.

I think the other posters have given lots of good advice, and I'm not sure what I am going to say will help at all. FWIW I'm not sure I could forgive something like this either... but you seem like you want to forgive, and so I wanted to say something that came into my head reading some of the other posts.

If you do end the marriage because of this (and I'm not saying you should, or shouldn't) would you bring your daughter up to think that it was all her dad's fault that she was so badly burnt and allow her to hate him because of it? Or will you encourage your daughter to grow up as a strong woman who accepts who she is and loves herself for it and knows and loves her dad despite what happened?

I only say this because when if you think you will encourage her to live her life without blaming, it may be that you can do the same.

I really hope that doesn't offend - and I really do wish you and your family all the best for now and the future...

x

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fridascruffs · 11/11/2011 23:54

When I was a teenager, I knew a five-year-old who had been burned quite badly when she was 2. She had walked into a fire pit, and put her arms in to hold onto her legs when they started to burn. Her brother who was only about 5 I think took her home, and the skin from her feet came off as she walked. This was in Africa, so the care she got was not great- the local hospital freaked out and wouldn't talk her in; in the end they flew her to Johannesburg, which was about 2000 miles away. They didn't use the pressure masks etc then, so she had quite bad keloid scarring on her arms and legs, no toes, her fingers fused into her palms, and she had skin graft scars over the whole torso. Her face was untouched. Her mother drank a lot after that, at least for a while. There was no other kind of help in that place at that time. I think she sorted that out later on.

I have wondered from time to time what became of them, my parents were good friends with them. So- because I was thinking about her, I just googled her- they had an unusual name- and I immediately came across a photo on someone's blog of the whole family. I recognise the girl, and she has a sleeveless top on, and in the photo I can not really make out any scars.

She was a happy child, she was always a pleasure to be around, she used to be at our house quite often. She couldn't of course remember a time when she'd been any different. The doctors had said she was to have operations later on to improve the function of her hands etc. They were amazed that she could walk without toes (they're apparently vital for balance), but it happened to her so young she just found other ways. She seemed OK physically (I mean comfortable enough) from day to day, though she had trouble with the soles of her feet as the skin graft wasn't really tough enough to walk on. Her parents are still together, although they don't have the culpability issues that you are struggling with so it is different of course.

I don't know if there are any support groups for burn victims? There may be people in a similar situation as yourself, but further down the line. These support groups usually have online forums- it might help to talk to someone? (Not as a replacement for counselling, i agree with the others on that one).

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fridascruffs · 12/11/2011 00:08

Sorry, I hadn't read the whole thread, I see there ARE people on here who had similar experiences.

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libertychick · 12/11/2011 01:33

What a horrible situation. Your poor DD - it must be awful having to watch her go through so much.

It will take time to fully come to terms with this. You have quite rightly focused on coping and dealing with the reality for your little girl. You have done amazingly well. You would be a very unusual person if you had already fully processed this and moved to forgiveness and denying your anger would be much more damaging in the long run for all of you.

My sister had a accident as a child that my mother has always blamed my brother for (he was a young adult at the time of the accident). My sister is now a teenager and often makes comments about her scars when he is around and really uses it to manipulate him emotionally. It causes him enormous distress to the extent that he deeply resents my mother and is considering stopping her from having contact with his child as he is afraid of what my mother will say to him. My mother's blaming of my brother has just encouraged my sister to see herself as a victim and could now lose her contact with her grandson. And this accident was really minor compared to what happened to your DD. In addition, other family members are totally fed up of hearing the story of my mother's anger over and over and we have all concluded that she was more to blame than my brother and that her inability to let go is displacement!

Right now, you need to feel your anger, find safe ways to express it and resolve not to let this affect relationships in the long term.

I hope you continue to find the strength to deal with this.

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BoffinMum · 12/11/2011 08:32

I taught a girl with hardly anything in the way of fingers to play the piano once. She was unselfconscious about her condition, and it didn't occur to her she might have problems learning, so she did quite well.

Kids are more resilient that we all think sometimes.

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Erniesmum · 12/11/2011 14:33

So so sorry to hear you story. Just wanted to reinforce those who've suggested Disability Living Allowance. I get it for my son and at the middle rate (you might even get the Higher Rate) it is £270 a month which makes a huge difference. If you do go ahead and apply, make sure you get a back-up statement from somebody who is treating her - I know children with the same condition as my son who don't get it - it's all to do with making sure you put the right things down on the form and explain how much you have to do for her. Do you have a community children's nurse? They can sometimes be really helpful in filling out the form. Or if you would like any further input from me if you PM me I'd be more than happy to help.

All the very very best.

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ohgawdherewegoagain · 12/11/2011 18:56

Oh my goodness. What to say about this? Firstly, thank god that your little one is pulling through. Your husband will be living with this guilt for the rest of his life but I don't know how I would feel if I were you and whether I could forgive him. How can any of us know? We haven't walked a day in your shoes. Your children sound wonderful (as do you) and all I can say is that I wish you all well and hope that you can sort out where you go from here.

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4c4good · 12/11/2011 18:57

I echo everything that Blu says - what a compassionate and heartfelt response.

OP - what an amazing woman you are. I agree with everyone who says therapy - I know you are having some already through the hospital but it might be worth finding a specialist just for you. A gifted and experienced therapist can help immensely and you need all the support you can gather around you.

May you feel protected, held and strengthened by all our thoughts and good wishes

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Blu · 12/11/2011 21:45

Smile 4c.

OP, I have thought about you much over the last few days, as many other MNers have.
A few raggedy bag thoughts.
Having nowhere near the horror you have had to face with your little girl, I do know what it is like to be in hospital for significant stays with your child, and to have to be hands on in long painful treatment. My DS has had huge bone surgery and we have had to move screws, for months, 1mm a day to move his cut bone further apart. It is absolutely exhausting. The emotional drain is non stop, and it drains you out. Also, the degree of detatchment needed separates you from yourself. You have to find a place in yourself to be 'hard' - to do the thing that is uncomfortable (euphemism) for your child. Your spontaneity goes because you have to keep check of so much. You don't know who you are.
This is my experience, and maybe you recognise a little of it.

Even without the dreadful complication of your DH's key mistake, you would be exhausted, emotionally wrung out, alienated from your own feelings.

One more thing. At the height of our own wrung-outness and desparation, DS had an accident, and his recovery was put back. DP blamed me - he was like a wild thing in his blame. It nearly made me leave him. And then someone (a MN-er) said to me that when people feel most out of control, blame gives them a way to feel in control. Your situation is wholly different, and there is no direct match, buut i thought it was a powerful perspective on our relationship with blame, and what it gives us.

For what it's worth OP, you have come this far and if you are wanting your marriage to survive, I think it will do. Wanting is the most important thing. But you may just not be ready to be able to do any more mending in your exhaustion and hardness at the moment. healing takes a long time for all of you - slowness and different stages doesn't mean it isn;t happening, or can't happen.

Your wanting your marriage to work is a wonderful affirmation of all that you are as a parent and a partner, and your dd and DH are very lucky.

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DigOfTheStump · 12/11/2011 22:17

I am dig's daughter and i am 14. I think you should try and make it work with your husband because you did say he was a broken man so he must feel awful but he will never get over it if he cant even help out. But if you ever think about leaving him just think how it would afect your children and then make your decision. If i were one of your children i would love to see you guys (my parents in this situatoin) stay together but if i thought it would make everyones life easier then i would see why you would want to leave him and it might make it better for your daughter.

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