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Poor in a lovely house, or comfortable in a so-so house? WWYD?

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theyoungvisiter · 19/06/2010 14:13

So we are house buying at the moment, and there are two houses we are looking at.

One is well within our budget and ticks our boxes, but somehow just doesn't have that "x" factor that makes your heart sing. On the other hand, we could do it up nicely, and get someone in to do the boring work for us.

The other is at the outside edge of our budget and a wreck, so would swallow all our disposable income (and time) for the foreseeable future. We would have to do almost all the work ourselves as there won't be much left in the budget for professional help. However it is (or could be) a lovely house, the kind of place I have always wanted, and more practically, it should be a great return on our investment after we put the time in.

So my question is, wwyd? Eat beans and sand floorboards in the lovely house, or quaff wine and laze in the so-so house?

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jabberwocky · 21/06/2010 14:05

yep, Money Pit and an obsessed dh - bad combination. He actually cut his own dental-work molding until he decided to treat himself to the attachment for his saw

bobblehat · 21/06/2010 22:49

Would it be possible to take a builder around the dream house with you to give you a rough idea of what would need doing, and also get a top notch survey? Sit down with the results and decide if it's worth it - I know you said you'd do the work yourself, but a builder would probably have a better idea of what needs doing. If it's going to be too expensive then walk away.

You can always rent for a while until something better comes up. If you go for the sensible house you know that the perfect place will come up about 2 days after you've moved in......

expatinscotland · 21/06/2010 22:56

I'm with Pannacotta, jabber and Earlybird.

We rented a gorgeous, Victorian bungalow packed with period features.

The landlords worked abroad for 2 years to afford the work it needed.

£60,000.

It needed even more.

They are retired and he's quite a dab hand and did a huge amount of the work himself.

But honestly, the whole 'wow' factor and all that crap totally lost its lustre for me after living in that house.

Oh, much of your budget will be spent heating that place to a minimum whilst you get it in order.

It takes twice the time you think and costs twice what you think.

GrendelsMum · 22/06/2010 08:11

It's too late for all our wise words... TheYoungVisiter has already put an offer in!

Has it been accepted, TYV?

theyoungvisiter · 22/06/2010 12:01

arg! rumbled

Yes, we have put in a cheeky offer on the larger house - no answer yet.

If it's not accepted we won't be upping it, we've made that clear.

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tafi · 22/06/2010 12:13

lovely house coz yo don't want to wake up one day in the so so house thinking you'd rather have been in the lovely house. You are going to have to live in it and unless you want to find yourself contemplating moving again, then i would make do with baked beans for a while,it won't hurt. Nothing good is truly worth having unless you've fought for it a bit-good luck!

littlemissindecisive · 22/06/2010 13:45

I just hate the whole hassle, complications and extortionate amounts of money it costs to move home - never want to do it again! which is why i'd plump for the dream home, and baked beans!

mustincreasebust · 22/06/2010 13:57

We are in a lovely house that is still a wreck nearly a year after we have moved in. We still don't have a proper kitchen, have a stove and sink but all our plates are on book shelves . We have builder in right now so we should have a sound house soonish

The good, I love my home. I have learnt to plaster, tile, upholster furniture etc and am viewing it as a bit of a self improvement project as well as home improvement.

The bad, last winter was brutal, windows are crap and roof leaked. A contingency fund is a necessity and if you don't have that I wouldn't touch it. For example, 2 days after we moved in the electrics went on fire, resulting in a total rewire.

The ugly, dd being 2 means that we can't just get on with DIY plus the safety element has me crapping myself every other day.

bunnymother · 22/06/2010 13:58

Good luck!! After reading all of your posts, youngvisitor think you did the right thing in going with the lovely house. Have never owned or renovated, though.

theyoungvisiter · 22/06/2010 14:08

Thank you! Well, it's not in the bag yet - I think the owner is delusional about the price tbh so we'll see. We are certainly not upping our offer any more. If he can find a fool who wants to pay more, that's their look out.

Eeeeeeek re: fire Must! That sounds seriously scary. We have a contingency fund but it sounds like we should also be investing in a few fire blankets too!

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RunforFun · 22/06/2010 14:12

My heart says the lovely house.

But depending on your financial situation I might rethink

QSincognitoErgoSum · 22/06/2010 14:22

WELL.

I have had the pleasure of doing a self build. Even if I did not do the carpentry myself , nor the brick laying, the planning and the budgeting was nearly a full time job. Decisions, decisions, decisions. Which kitchen? Bathroom? What is the optimum layout? Knobs? doorhandles? Flooring had me floored, I tell you that. Could not afford wood flooring everywhere, had to go with laminate in some rooms. Have you any idea what flooring even cost?

I have also the pleasure of owning a house in London, we have to redecorate the entire house. It is not a big house, it is a three bed end of terrace. 4k was the best quote from the decorator only for painting (including paint). We have quotes for 1k for all the upstairs bedroom carpets, this is the cheapest carpet you can find in Allied Carpets! Some damp was found, and part of the plaster had to be ripped out, and new plaster, and new damp proofing under the doorstep, specialist jobs we cannot do, or ask a labourer to do, is nearly £3k. This is the house we lived in comfortably for over 10 years, with no idea there was any issue with missing damp proof course under the doorstep.

Have you had a structural survey done?

Until you sit down and work out what decorating is going to cost, what a kitchen will cost, redoing the bathroom, and new flooring, you dont really know. Even if this is cosmetic, and not "major" work, it will still cost a packet.

We paid £10k for our lovely new kitchen in the new build, and £8k for two bathrooms. The bathrooms had lovely tiles, but we opted for cheap-ish units, to stay in budget. I had my heart on a walnut worktop to go with the high gloss white units, but ended up with a grey industrial laminate, which is also cool, but does not have the OOMPH. The kitchen is lovely though, it has to be as our living room and kitchen is open plan. There is a lot to plan, and work out, and budgeting is possibly the most important part. You cannot go over budget, you must at any time know what the work is going to cost in labour and materials.

Our small London bathroom cost £5k ten years ago! Tiles, shower cubicle, stylish sink and mirror, and a modern slim fit toilet bowl.

If all is going to come out of your salaries, it might take a while!

I would measure up, take the plans down to somewhere like Allied Carpets, ask their opinion on what it is going to cost for new carpets, new laminate. Speak to a decorator about how much paint you will need, etc.
Get quotes in for kitchens.

Because you dont want to live in a house that had the potential to be lovely, but because you neither had the time nor the energy, nor the money to get it done well, you are living in a mediocre dump which had potential.

I had a massive spreadsheet, with costings for everything. I had my budget highlighted on top, and for ever item I added that went beyond the budget, something else had to come out.

QSincognitoErgoSum · 22/06/2010 14:31

wow, I certainly do ramble on....

minipie · 22/06/2010 14:45

I would usually say buy the long term dream house. But to be honest in your exact circumstances I wouldn't.

  • you have small DCs, so very little time and energy
  • you don't have the money to move out while the worst of the work (kitchen esp) is done
  • you will be doing a lot of the work yourself, which means TBH that the finishes won't be that great, so you may not get the money back
  • property prices (at least in London/SE) are very high at the moment - I suspect they may be about to go down
  • VAT has just gone up so all building work will be more expensive

I see you've offered low - stick to your guns!

By the way, whereabouts are you looking?

theyoungvisiter · 23/06/2010 18:59

well - update - we didn't get the wreck, the buyer won't accept an offer (tho the house has been on the market for nearly 3 months)

and while we were negotiating the so-so house went.

Waaaaaaah! I'm going to end up living in a cardboard box with two preschoolers, I can feel it.

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orienteerer · 23/06/2010 19:50

It was fate, just not meant to be. Something will come up.

littlemissindecisive · 23/06/2010 21:25

Agree with orienteerer these things happen for a reason.....or at least thats how always look at it to keep me sane!

Good luck....you never know, the seller may come back to you...could be trying to call your bluff??

30andMerkin · 23/06/2010 21:33

yep, second Orienteerer

I literally was you a couple of months ago, we had an offer accepted on a bee-you-tiful old wreck that I just swooned over. But the builders estimates kept going up and up, and they wouldn't renegotiate, so in the end we walked away. Estate agents thought we were loons. I actually cried.

We've now bought a lovely house which is in a slightly less perfect location, has slightly fewer original features, but needs substantially less work and has the same 'feel'. The other day we drove past our old 'dream' house and it was covered in scaffolding, on a side of the house that even our doom and gloom surveyors and builders hadn't picked up any problems with.

The relief was palpable!

cece · 24/06/2010 10:35

Normally I would say the dream house and stretch yourself but in the current climate I would 100% go for the one you can afford.

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sarah01384 · 24/06/2010 16:21

i think always try and afford the best you can, it will cost you more in the long run with moving costs when you have outgrown it.

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