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Would it be mad to consider huge house with lots of work to do with 4 young dcs?

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accessorizequeen · 02/04/2010 22:52

We currently live in a 3 bed semi with small bathroom, tiny kitchen, dining room down the hall. Dcs are 6, 3 and 18 mo dts. Saw a place yesterday which is 7 beds , south facing, huge garden, in ideal area/street, detached with driveway (not many places with driveways in this area). And we can just about afford it.

BUT it is owned by a woman in a wheelchair, there's a lift in the middle of it, a kitchen designed specially for the owner, ramps everywhere. 3 floors, massive number of rooms, basins in every room, anaglypta etc, toilets all over the place, slightly dodgy looking extension with terrace, roof prob needs retiling, could be damp, huge fish ponds in the garden, a cellar that will probably constantly flood. The things that bother me most though are the lack of original features (it's a house in a heritage area but was a residential home for a long time) and no kitchen/diner.

DP has 8 businesses and stressed out to the max already with them. I work 2 days, look after the kids the rest of the time. We are desperate for more space for us and the kids. Just don't know if this is worth the stress/risk? Have never done any renovation before, knocked walls down etc.

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MamaGlee · 03/04/2010 09:16

ooh i'll just post so i can find this and reply later

lalalonglegs · 03/04/2010 09:34

I'd do it - sounds the perfect house which needs updating. You could easily live there for a few years until you have saved up and have more time on your hands to do the work. I've renovated twice with a toddler and a very young baby so it is possible but why not just move in and camp for a couple of years until your twins are at nursery? I can guarantee that your plans will be a lot more coherent if you live in the place for a while and really get to know it.

lalalonglegs · 03/04/2010 09:35

And I just wanted to add - eight businesses?

GrendelsMum · 03/04/2010 10:16

I'm going to go through your post to make a concrete list of tasks:

Must Dos

  • retile roof
  • investigate damp issues (may need DPC, may well need gutters and downpipes fixing)
  • cover fish ponds with metal grids / fill in
  • make sure that extension is dry and sound

Do When Time and Money Allows

  • remove basins (can remove taps from basin in children's rooms if worried about flooding)
  • redecorate all rooms
  • remove lift
  • knock through walls to create kitchen-diner and install new kitchen

To Live With

  • no original features (could be bought in and reinstated)
  • cellars flood (possibly designed to flood? possibly bad water management around house?)

How does that make it look?

serinBrightside · 03/04/2010 10:36

Who installed the through floorlift? I would ring social services and find out if it was them, if it was they will want it back so that saves you one job.

Think the house sounds great but can't imagine what the cost of heating it will be!

accessorizequeen · 03/04/2010 12:56

Ah, according to the HIP pack (HIPP?) heating is 4.5K a year. Ouch.
DP & I had a talk last night and decided that this house probably wasn't worth doing because the layout was unworkable and we didn't actually 'like' it very much because all the character had gone. Kitchen/diner critical Not sure if we'd consider a renovation project on another house, but my god you've made me think twice!
I am not happy to live in tiny kitchen in another place, I have that now and want a better lifestyle even if it's not done up. Have lived in houses with crappy little kitchens for 8 years now and getting a bit sick of it!

dp doesn't personally manage every company these days btw otherwise he'd be dead from stress I think! Will probably set up more this year & next (sigh).

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Earlybird · 03/04/2010 13:07

Given the condition of the house and the work that needs doing, is it realistically priced?

Agree with those who've wondered where the money to fix it up will come from if you can only just about afford to buy the house.

Could be extremely stressful.

accessorizequeen · 03/04/2010 13:10

I think they'd take less than the asking price, earlybird. Prob even less after a survey!

Interesting about the council taking the lift out. But no, no we can't face it. I've got bad PND, middle ds may have dyspraxia, TWINS arrrgggh plus dp's businesses. It's prob too big for us and too expensive to run/maintain but OMG the space. Sigh.

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ouchitreallyhurts · 03/04/2010 14:48

Similar situation in that we bought a 7 bed detached victorian farm. Whole house needs renovation!! we've done a load but like you have 4 children so have been doing a bit at a time.
the space is amazing - the children can play hide and seek indoors (away from building work!) or outside in the fields. youngest is now 3 though and we've been here for nearly a year./
Its not been easy, I've had PND twice - this will either be a good project for you to help with the depression OR it will make you even more ill.
and yes, the expense of maintaining a large house is a nightmare!!

Pineberry · 03/04/2010 23:26

agree with the poster that said living in house and not doing it a good idea

We lived in ours and intended to replace kitchen but ended up knocking through the lounge and dining room and making the old kitchen into a laundry and snug...

I now have the kitchen of my dreams

I think a lot of this is negative on here...

We moved in with a 15 month old 3 year old 9 year old 11 year old and 13 year old and have since had another baby

ours is 8 bed victorian and we are in the closing stages of completing it in 30 months - NO WAY flat out ie nothing much for 9-10 months after baby. That heating sounds unrealistically high too . Ours is not that bad and we run aga

Dont discount it too hastily..you will grown into the mortgage

TDiddy · 04/04/2010 08:30

We moved at the very top of market from nice 4 bed semi that we did up nicely to 5 bed detached that needed lots of work. Half we through now but I am not recommending it!!!!

Find a house that doesn't need work or spend your extra cash on lots of country breaks. Even consider buying a country cottage for vacations?

TDiddy · 04/04/2010 08:36

....Half we way through now...

HerHonesty · 04/04/2010 20:10

unless you are experienced doer uppers i wouldnt recommend. its stressfull, more expensive than you think and with 4 dcs... not the best recipe.

TDiddy · 05/04/2010 07:17

yes, get a builder to give you an estimate and then double it to work out be estimate of actual costs

TDiddy · 05/04/2010 11:12

I think that a very comprehensive spec will save you money as the builder is less likely to come up with reasons for varying costs.

Pineberry · 05/04/2010 23:12

our most recent builder did not double costs
where costs escalated was me saying ' ooh if we do that floor we should do t'other at the same time' etc

dp still n our bathroom and we have spent all weekend on it....no fun but a bit of delayed gratification is good for the soul

Quattrocento · 05/04/2010 23:18

You would be insane even to think about it, IME.

JUST DON'T. YOU ARE GETTING CARRIED AWAY BY SEEING THE POTENTIAL IN A HOUSE, AND NOT SEEING THE ACTUAL REALITY AS IT IS NOW.

Believe me.

But you won't of course, until you are sobbing tired at 1am with plaster in your hair and wondering how the new chimney breast has been sited wrong and the tiler has managed to put three slate tiles down upside down and why none of the lights work.

Also, and more prosaically, how do you plan to pay for all the renovations, if you can only just about afford the house? It means it will take many many years before you get the house straight.

Pineberry · 05/04/2010 23:41

but worth it then

accessorizequeen · 06/04/2010 13:31

Thanks all v.much for input, it's really helped me see things more clearly. We've decided against this one for the main reason that the kitchen would have to be done straight away (as it's designed for someone in a wheelchair and worktops are so low to kill our backs). Because I don't think we could manage that project this year due to other stresses/possibly wouldn't have money/wouldn't be able to think about alternative layouts.
So now know to not look at anything without a kitchen/diner already there even if condition not great. This is the one thing we can't compromise on (main reason for moving).
I like south facing btw not for the garden, but for the sun at the back of the house, our current dining room is freezing all year round because we're north facing.
I hope we'll find something bigger but in need of less repair than this one.
We have 4 kids, looking for 5+ bedrooms with lots of space downstairs plus biggish garden. I lived in huge house as a kid (1 of 4) albeit in oz and loved it. Want to give that to my kids, but it's a lot pricier and more difficult to renovate & maintain bigger houses in England IMO. Any other ideas on what to look for with lots of kids, we bought this place with 6mo baby and don't know what would be ideal really.

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TDiddy · 06/04/2010 22:14

before you more have a go at de-cluttering etc. Work out possibilities of extensions etc. Also work out whether buying a country cottage is an option. Also work out what nice holidays you could have instead.

accessorizequeen · 06/04/2010 22:55

I have considered a holiday house as a way to placate dp and also cos I'm calmer out in the country but don't want to live there & drive into town all the time!
We should have a lot more money in another few years when we've paid off some loans so could do work on a house then if redecoration ok in the meantime.
Not sure whether could have nice holidays with dcs the age they are for a while? Would love to get away more but seems huge hassle with 2 highchairs, 2 travel cots, double buggy etc!
Trying to declutter (doing some tonight actually!)
thanks tdiddly

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