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Houses wildly overpriced near me and NOTHING is shifting

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toffeeapple45 · 19/03/2026 13:52

My parents are house-hunting at the moment in the area close to me, and it's so frustrating. They've sold, but literally every "downsizable" house in my area is on for genuinely I would reckon about 200,000 more than they're worth. I think 2022 was about the peak in my area, but these prices look as if prices had carried on tracking up for the last four years. We're in an area that boomed during WFH, but is not going to do so well as people are ordered back to the office - which is certainly not reflected in the pricing. Nothing is shifting at all, and it's only going to get worse with Iran. Houses are going off the market and coming back on for sometimes, insanely more. It feels like people got their houses valued in 2022 and are just never going to accept that the market isn't there any more. I'm irrationally annoyed with one local estate agent who tells everyone their house is worth X when it's just clearly not the case. My parents accepted less than they would probably have got in 2022, because they figure that is what their house is worth now - and they can rent for a bit and they'd rather not be in a chain. GRRRRR.

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XVGN · 31/03/2026 15:45

RubieChewsDay · 31/03/2026 15:19

@BrownTroutBluesAgain agree the 'boomer' bashing is tiresome, there is definitely a cohort of people who seem to be under the impression that houses were just handed out to previous generation, and it does nothing but undermine the conversation about the current housing market.

For the vast majority of people buying a house has meant that they need to work hard, cutback to save up the deposit and stretch themselves financially. The high cost of housing, wage stagnation, and economic uncertainty will make it harder now, but just because it was easier in the past, doesn't mean it was easy.

As a "real" boomer (I think you are too young @BrownTroutBluesAgain ) I don't think most people are blaming boomers for the financial f%^kwittery that got us into this place in the first place. But it is necessary for all of us to understand how different cohorts have been affected, and how disproportionately lucky some of us have been. Homeowners attract the most ire when their dinner table discussion talks about how their home earns more than they do.

We own our own home outright but I'd be more than happy to see prices corrected so that young families can enjoy what we had.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 16:01

XVGN · 31/03/2026 15:45

As a "real" boomer (I think you are too young @BrownTroutBluesAgain ) I don't think most people are blaming boomers for the financial f%^kwittery that got us into this place in the first place. But it is necessary for all of us to understand how different cohorts have been affected, and how disproportionately lucky some of us have been. Homeowners attract the most ire when their dinner table discussion talks about how their home earns more than they do.

We own our own home outright but I'd be more than happy to see prices corrected so that young families can enjoy what we had.

Why am I too young 😁. I have made no claim to categorisation.
but Thankyou anyway

RubieChewsDay · 31/03/2026 16:10

@XVGN I spend way too much time online there is a major narrative amongst a particular cohort about how easy previous generations had it, but no one can help the particular economic time they were born in, and it does nothing to change the absolute shit show that the past 30 years of government have made of the economy.

dinbin · 31/03/2026 16:20

The high cost of housing, wage stagnation, and economic uncertainty will make it harder now, but just because it was easier in the past, doesn't mean it was easy

Who is saying otherwise, easier doesn’t mean it was easy as you say. But so many deny it was easier.

JustAlice · 31/03/2026 16:47

dinbin · 31/03/2026 16:20

The high cost of housing, wage stagnation, and economic uncertainty will make it harder now, but just because it was easier in the past, doesn't mean it was easy

Who is saying otherwise, easier doesn’t mean it was easy as you say. But so many deny it was easier.

Now people spend the same % of their income on mortgage payments but get incomparably less for it, and are being told by older generation to cut on takeaway coffee. If only.
There was a thread (maybe last year), where MNers were comparing what they can afford and what their parents could afford at the same age with similar jobs/education level. Guess the outcome.
And pensioneers now have more disposable income and better living conditions than people who pay their pensions.

Conta1nment · 31/03/2026 17:00

My house was on the market for a while with only two viewings and no offers. We have taken it off as I am not willing to reduce the price enough to get I it sold in this market. Maybe the market will go down further maybe it will take a few years to go up - but I don’t need to sell I just want to move to a different type of house so I won’t take the hit 🤷‍♀️

dinbin · 31/03/2026 17:02

And pensioneers now have more disposable income and better living conditions than people who pay their pensions.

And people wonder why productivity is so low!

JustAlice · 31/03/2026 17:13

dinbin · 31/03/2026 17:02

And pensioneers now have more disposable income and better living conditions than people who pay their pensions.

And people wonder why productivity is so low!

For starters, boomers could admit that if they could afford to buy a house in their 20s on a single-person income, they honestly had it easier, even with 17% interest rate.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 17:26

dinbin · 31/03/2026 17:02

And pensioneers now have more disposable income and better living conditions than people who pay their pensions.

And people wonder why productivity is so low!

The average net contributor will be earning far more and have a far bigger disposable income than an average pensioner

UK low productivity has nothing to do with the average pensioners disposable income.

dinbin · 31/03/2026 17:33

UK low productivity has nothing to do with the average pensioners disposable income.

Policies that have funnelled money away from the young have damaged productivity. The triple lock impacts productivity. An ageing population impacts productivity.

Perhaps you are misunderstanding productivity….

DrySherry · 31/03/2026 17:43

"We own our own home outright but I'd be more than happy to see prices corrected so that young families can enjoy what we had."

I have to agree with XVGN, we too would be happy to see the market be allowed to fully correct. Not just so that young families have a fair opportunity but also because the economy would benefit hugely in general. Obviously the banks would not be best pleased - as their entire model is built around snaring more and more people into bigger and bigger debt agreements to them with more beans to pocket and count.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 17:50

JustAlice · 31/03/2026 17:13

For starters, boomers could admit that if they could afford to buy a house in their 20s on a single-person income, they honestly had it easier, even with 17% interest rate.

What are the stats on that. I’ve googled
‘number of single people in their 20s buying during 17% mortgage rates’….

the results
give no figures
lots on repossessions 7% increase
and a discussion on Gransnet ( didn’t know that existed ) but no stats

Can you share the intel ?

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 17:52

dinbin · 31/03/2026 17:33

UK low productivity has nothing to do with the average pensioners disposable income.

Policies that have funnelled money away from the young have damaged productivity. The triple lock impacts productivity. An ageing population impacts productivity.

Perhaps you are misunderstanding productivity….

None of the researchers working in this field mention pensioners

Here's one pasted below but it’s a long copy and paste

Plenty more
and nothing of what you say.
meanwhile if I google

‘ are pensioners causing low U.K. productivity’ ie a weighted question The responses based on actual research still do not agree with you and instead focus on their loss to the working population.

‘. Dr Guilherme Klein Martins is a lecturer in the Department of Economics at Leeds University Business School, and associate researcher at MADE (Center for Research in Macroeconomics of Inequalities at FEA/USP). His research interests include: macroeconomics, economic development, and political economy.

This article was first published on The Conversation on 1 September 2025.

Many people in the UK feel they are working harder than ever. A higher cost of living and more precarious work arrangements push many households to take on longer hours and multiple jobs. Data back this feeling: from 2010 to 2024, the UK had the largest increase in hours worked per person among OECD countries.

Yet headlines keep telling us that UK productivity is stagnating. So if everyone is working more, why isn’t the economy growing faster? Unfortunately, there’s a lot more in play than just how many hours we put in each week.

Labour productivity, measured as the total GDP produced per hour worked, is lower for the UK than for many of its peers, such as France, Germany and the USA. Yet from 2000 to 2010, UK labour productivity increased by 11%, more than France and Germany, where gains were 10.6% and 10.2% respectively.

Since then, though, the UK has faced a series of circumstances that have harmed the economy. From 2010 to 2024, fortunes shifted. While productivity in the euro area increased by about 10% and almost 15% in the US, the increase in the UK was only 6.2%.

So what happened to the UK during this time to damage its productivity, growth and earnings? Four forces stand out.

  1. A prolonged dose of austerity

Beginning in 2010, the UK embarked on cuts to departmental spending and public investment at the same time as raising taxes. Austerity suppresses demand in the short run. More importantly, though, it reduces public investment and spending on things like infrastructure, skills, research and development, and public services that private firms need to expand and modernise.

The result is a slower diffusion of technology that would enhance productivity. My research has uncovered persistent “scarring” effects on output, employment and investment more than a decade after austerity.

  1. Political uncertainty – Brexit and beyond

Uncertainty rose markedly from the early 2010s and spiked around the Brexit referendum and negotiations, as reflected in news-based uncertainty indices and business surveys. When uncertainty is high, firms delay or cancel investment. That is especially damaging for long-term projects (building factories, buying equipment, investing in training) and for intangible investment (spending on things like software and employee training, for example) that underpins productivity growth.

Economic uncertainty in Europe and the UK:

This leads to chronic under-investment. The UK has had the lowest level of investment among G7 countries for almost every year since 1990. And research has shown this to be the single most important element in the stagnation of UK productivity.

  1. Weak industrial strategy

Across the OECD there has been a revival of modern industrial policy – multi-year programmes targeting green technologies, semiconductors, advanced manufacturing and their supply chains.

The UK published an industrial strategy earlier this year, but the mix has been comparatively light on direct public investment and specific sectors. Comparing industrial policy strategies is tricky, but evidence suggests that the UK’s approach has been smaller in scale, less predictable and less focused than that of its peers.

  1. An economy tilted towards finance

A final aspect that helps explain general productivity in the UK is its economic structure – in particular, its concentration in finance. Around 8.7% of the UK’s GDP is in the financial and insurance activities, much more than that of the EU (4.6%) and more than double that of countries like Germany and France.

On the other hand, the share of manufacturing in the UK economy is 8.9%, compared to 15.7% in the EU, 10.7% in France, and 19.9% in Germany. This matters because sectors differ systematically in productivity levels and growth rates. Over the past three decades, sectors like machinery and equipment, chemicals and pharmaceuticals, and information and communications have shown much stronger productivity growth than finance.

Productivity growth in the UK:

De-industrialisation is not unique to the UK, and some of it reflects automation and reorganisation of global supply chains. But advanced economies that retained and upgraded segments of manufacturing – particularly those closest to the technology frontier – have tended to enjoy stronger productivity growth and more innovation in their service sectors.

Taken together, these forces interact and compound. Austerity removed public investment and corresponding benefits just when firms needed them, while uncertainty raised barriers and encouraged firms to wait rather than invest.

In that environment, the absence of coordinated industrial policy meant there were no clear signals or platforms for scaling new technologies. And the UK’s finance-heavy structure channelled talent and savings into financial assets rather than into projects that could expand capacity and accelerate innovation. Ultimately, this results in a chronic shortfall of productive investment.

A route out is straightforward, if politically demanding. Commit to a multi-year public investment programme that also attracts interest from the private sector. And adopt a stronger and more focused industrial strategy around the green, tech and science sectors (matched with planning and skills reform).

If these levers are pulled together – and sustained – UK productivity, and with it real wages, need not remain stuck.

Guilherme Klein Martins, Lecturer in Economics, University of Leeds

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

Theres louds of research pointing to the same factors I’ve just posted one

Thanksabunch10 · 31/03/2026 17:58

Completely agree OP! Where I am (quite a popular Scottish city!!) the house prices are crazy - places needing done up going for the same price as ones already renovated, 1 beds that could potentially be 2 beds being put up at the price of a 2 bed, it’s madness. There are also large houses near me that are about 2-300k over what they should be, needless to say they have been sitting on the market for many many months. While we are at it can we also discuss how ridiculous estate agents also are?! Selling people the dream, over valuing their house then saying ‘meh it’s the market’ when it doesn’t sell!

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 18:06

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 17:52

None of the researchers working in this field mention pensioners

Here's one pasted below but it’s a long copy and paste

Plenty more
and nothing of what you say.
meanwhile if I google

‘ are pensioners causing low U.K. productivity’ ie a weighted question The responses based on actual research still do not agree with you and instead focus on their loss to the working population.

‘. Dr Guilherme Klein Martins is a lecturer in the Department of Economics at Leeds University Business School, and associate researcher at MADE (Center for Research in Macroeconomics of Inequalities at FEA/USP). His research interests include: macroeconomics, economic development, and political economy.

This article was first published on The Conversation on 1 September 2025.

Many people in the UK feel they are working harder than ever. A higher cost of living and more precarious work arrangements push many households to take on longer hours and multiple jobs. Data back this feeling: from 2010 to 2024, the UK had the largest increase in hours worked per person among OECD countries.

Yet headlines keep telling us that UK productivity is stagnating. So if everyone is working more, why isn’t the economy growing faster? Unfortunately, there’s a lot more in play than just how many hours we put in each week.

Labour productivity, measured as the total GDP produced per hour worked, is lower for the UK than for many of its peers, such as France, Germany and the USA. Yet from 2000 to 2010, UK labour productivity increased by 11%, more than France and Germany, where gains were 10.6% and 10.2% respectively.

Since then, though, the UK has faced a series of circumstances that have harmed the economy. From 2010 to 2024, fortunes shifted. While productivity in the euro area increased by about 10% and almost 15% in the US, the increase in the UK was only 6.2%.

So what happened to the UK during this time to damage its productivity, growth and earnings? Four forces stand out.

  1. A prolonged dose of austerity

Beginning in 2010, the UK embarked on cuts to departmental spending and public investment at the same time as raising taxes. Austerity suppresses demand in the short run. More importantly, though, it reduces public investment and spending on things like infrastructure, skills, research and development, and public services that private firms need to expand and modernise.

The result is a slower diffusion of technology that would enhance productivity. My research has uncovered persistent “scarring” effects on output, employment and investment more than a decade after austerity.

  1. Political uncertainty – Brexit and beyond

Uncertainty rose markedly from the early 2010s and spiked around the Brexit referendum and negotiations, as reflected in news-based uncertainty indices and business surveys. When uncertainty is high, firms delay or cancel investment. That is especially damaging for long-term projects (building factories, buying equipment, investing in training) and for intangible investment (spending on things like software and employee training, for example) that underpins productivity growth.

Economic uncertainty in Europe and the UK:

This leads to chronic under-investment. The UK has had the lowest level of investment among G7 countries for almost every year since 1990. And research has shown this to be the single most important element in the stagnation of UK productivity.

  1. Weak industrial strategy

Across the OECD there has been a revival of modern industrial policy – multi-year programmes targeting green technologies, semiconductors, advanced manufacturing and their supply chains.

The UK published an industrial strategy earlier this year, but the mix has been comparatively light on direct public investment and specific sectors. Comparing industrial policy strategies is tricky, but evidence suggests that the UK’s approach has been smaller in scale, less predictable and less focused than that of its peers.

  1. An economy tilted towards finance

A final aspect that helps explain general productivity in the UK is its economic structure – in particular, its concentration in finance. Around 8.7% of the UK’s GDP is in the financial and insurance activities, much more than that of the EU (4.6%) and more than double that of countries like Germany and France.

On the other hand, the share of manufacturing in the UK economy is 8.9%, compared to 15.7% in the EU, 10.7% in France, and 19.9% in Germany. This matters because sectors differ systematically in productivity levels and growth rates. Over the past three decades, sectors like machinery and equipment, chemicals and pharmaceuticals, and information and communications have shown much stronger productivity growth than finance.

Productivity growth in the UK:

De-industrialisation is not unique to the UK, and some of it reflects automation and reorganisation of global supply chains. But advanced economies that retained and upgraded segments of manufacturing – particularly those closest to the technology frontier – have tended to enjoy stronger productivity growth and more innovation in their service sectors.

Taken together, these forces interact and compound. Austerity removed public investment and corresponding benefits just when firms needed them, while uncertainty raised barriers and encouraged firms to wait rather than invest.

In that environment, the absence of coordinated industrial policy meant there were no clear signals or platforms for scaling new technologies. And the UK’s finance-heavy structure channelled talent and savings into financial assets rather than into projects that could expand capacity and accelerate innovation. Ultimately, this results in a chronic shortfall of productive investment.

A route out is straightforward, if politically demanding. Commit to a multi-year public investment programme that also attracts interest from the private sector. And adopt a stronger and more focused industrial strategy around the green, tech and science sectors (matched with planning and skills reform).

If these levers are pulled together – and sustained – UK productivity, and with it real wages, need not remain stuck.

Guilherme Klein Martins, Lecturer in Economics, University of Leeds

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

Theres louds of research pointing to the same factors I’ve just posted one

Edited

Just realised OP
All This boomer bashing has really derailed your thread
Apologies

JustAlice · 31/03/2026 18:22

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 17:50

What are the stats on that. I’ve googled
‘number of single people in their 20s buying during 17% mortgage rates’….

the results
give no figures
lots on repossessions 7% increase
and a discussion on Gransnet ( didn’t know that existed ) but no stats

Can you share the intel ?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5144335-is-your-lifestyle-similar-to-your-parents

Is your lifestyle similar to your parents? | Mumsnet

As an adult, how does your lifestyle compare to your parents? Is it similar, or is it better or worse in some ways? Is there a significant difference...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5144335-is-your-lifestyle-similar-to-your-parents

KatiePricesKnickers · 31/03/2026 18:37

I think we can all agree, if house prices plummeted, more people could buy, and there would be a lot more money in the economy, being spent, and taxed.
At the moment, banks make the money.
I’ve yet to hear a sound argument for high house prices being healthy for the economy.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 18:38

Thanks but 78 posts on mumsnet isnt research or countrywide intel and

The thread has nothing in it about 20years old buying up property when mortgages were 17%

interesting read though with a variety of comments
some have it better now than parents
a lot are better educated than parents
some have it worse but not as many as posters on here would suggest I imagine 🤷‍♀️

Thanks anyway but not relevant to the pp post and my subsequent question

topcat2026 · 31/03/2026 18:42

I’m no economist but hasn’t the past shown us that if house prices plummet then the economy is in a very bad way? So no point buying a house even with a big deposit if you can’t afford the mortgage repayments because you’ve no income, or your job is looking precarious from a security perspective.

RubieChewsDay · 31/03/2026 18:56

JustAlice · 31/03/2026 17:13

For starters, boomers could admit that if they could afford to buy a house in their 20s on a single-person income, they honestly had it easier, even with 17% interest rate.

That attitude is such a waste of energy, tackle the problem you’re facing rather than rant about something that happened years ago.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 19:10

I’ve seen two of these. Thanks for the other two

None of them however look at Low U.K. productivity in terms of it’s the reason why the U.K. has such a low productivity. Hence I ignored

My post upthread answered that already

I mentioned upthread the obvious loss of employees to the workforce.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 31/03/2026 19:16

RubieChewsDay · 31/03/2026 18:56

That attitude is such a waste of energy, tackle the problem you’re facing rather than rant about something that happened years ago.

Or didn't happen in fact

JustAlice · 31/03/2026 19:17

RubieChewsDay · 31/03/2026 18:56

That attitude is such a waste of energy, tackle the problem you’re facing rather than rant about something that happened years ago.

That's exactly what I'm doing here - trying to convince older generation to stop squeezing every last penny from younger generation :D

RubieChewsDay · 31/03/2026 19:42

JustAlice · 31/03/2026 19:17

That's exactly what I'm doing here - trying to convince older generation to stop squeezing every last penny from younger generation :D

The older generation are not your enemy, you're focused on the wrong target.

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