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F rating on EPC in all electric house: what are the consequences?

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DecisionTime123 · 01/01/2026 12:51

Had offer accepted on a house with electric radiators and boiler. I currently live in a flat that's all electric and had no problems so it didn't really register with me. The house needs other work, I wouldn't be able to afford to redo the heating system as well. The agent said oh yes you can have gas laid here, apropos nothing I thought that was odd but dismissed it - but having had the mortgage approved yesterday I went through the rightmove listing again, no EPC rating, then the agent's own listing and there it was - F. Looked on HM Gov website and it's the only house in the road with an F, everyone else is C or D so I assume they've all chosen to have gas laid to the properties. The EPC estimated heating and hot water costs at around £195 a month with the existing system rated as "very poor". Plus I didn't realise the ground floors are solid, so they might need more insulation as well.

I'm buying with a mortgage, borrowing the maximum I can afford. I had a cash budget of £20k to do all the work on it, which was meant to be just flooring, new appliances, a new bathroom and redecorating. The vendors wanted an extra £5k which I would have to pay out of my cash budget; that's left me with £15k so its tight (I was asking on here the other day about doing the conservatory roof and that was a bit of a pipe dream) but if I have to install GCH, after having the pipes laid, where am I going with this? I am on my own in my 60s so taking on a refurb is daunting as it stands.

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Bilivino · 03/01/2026 22:03

WorriedRelative · 01/01/2026 13:00

Being all electric seems to push the EPC rating down to a ridiculous level for no good reason, especially as gas boilers are supposed to be phased out soon due to environmental concerns.

Often the EPC is affected by incorrect assumptions too, such as the construction of the walls or floors so read it and check it carefully. Query it if something seems unlikely (eg a modern house but it says there's no cavity wall insulation).

Having gas put in is very expensive, don't bother, as gas prices rise it will become much less desirable. Your heating will be more costly but you will only pay one standing charge and won't have gas safety costs.

Long term I would consider a heat pump and solar panels but unless you plan to rent out the property the EPC is information only.

Many people make incorrect assumptions about EPCs and confuse what they represent with what they think they should represent.

The EPC rating is currently a cost-based metric. If the property costs more money to run over the period of a modelled year then the rating will be lower (such as an F in this case), and if it costs less to run over the period of a modelled year then the rating will be higher.

Electricity costs about 3.5 times that of gas in terms of pence per kWh of energy. Therefore if you have a peak-rate direct-acting electric heating system with an efficiency of 100% like the one in this property, then the running costs will be almost 3.5 times that of running a gas boiler, which might have an efficiency of 93%.

There is no question that this property, with its current boiler, is going to relatively cost a huge amount of money to heat.

An electric heat pump however operating with an 'efficiency' (SCOP) of 3.5 or more will run at about the same cost as a gas boiler and will therefore score about the same rating on an EPC, so long as the exact make and model are available in the Product Characteristics Database (PCDB). Savings beyond this are also possible from leverage such as solar PV, batteries and EV smart tariffs.

By the way, at our house it only cost £200 to get gas connected 10 years ago as the gas main ran in front of our house.

However, if the OP were going to complete on this property, it might be worth looking into the cost of getting the electric boiler replaced with a heat pump, particularly as they may already have wet radiators around the house. but they'd need to check how the domestic hot water is currently heated. Suggest Heat Geek as first port of call, and of course the BUS grant is still providing £7,500 towards the cost of installation.

OP, if you intend to rent the property out in the future bear in mind the minimum rating required currently is an E, and the bar is likely to be lifted higher in the near future. If you have no intention of renting it out then this is irrelevant.

Bilivino · 03/01/2026 22:15

KievLoverTwo · 01/01/2026 13:46

Don't trust the epc £. I have lived in homes where the kwh usage is x3 the EPC. I have seen EPCs where they under or overestimate the floor size by 60%. As a general rule, they are bloody shocking.

Is it occupied? If yes, do this:

Go to money supermarket

Go to utilities

Go to gas and electric for a quote to switch supplier

Put in the postcode then select the flat

Just put in yes/no/don't know if it asks a bunch of questions about current suppliers and setups, what you put in does not affect the results you need

Top right corner will show you the actual kwh per year, accurate to within about a month's usage

Underneath will be a list of supplier and costs.

Prices quoted on utility websites will be estimates based on the previous owners usage over 12 months. This will almost certainly be different to your own usage, and anyone else's useage because everyone has their own preference over room temperature, how many hours to have the heating on, and how many months of the year etc. and this should be taken into account.

EPCs use an assumed occupancy model so that the headline cost-based metric can be directly compared from one property to another, its therefore not about the occupant, its only about the building, and on the EPC it says "People living at the property may use different amounts of energy for heating, hot water and lighting."

The EPC rating is calculated based on a fixed energy cost in the methodology to maintain rating consistency. The financial figures expressed on the EPC however are based on energy prices which are updated every few months, and will relate to energy costs at the time of the assessment. If you are looking at an old EPC produced when energy prices were different to today, such as prior to the war in Ukraine, then those won't match prices today. Again, this is expressed in the text on the EPC where it says: "This is based on average costs in xxxx when this EPC was created."

Bilivino · 03/01/2026 22:24

DecisionTime123 · 01/01/2026 14:07

So when I googled it, I was getting similar responses coming up - for example on Money Saving Expert - posters saying that EPCs aren't worth the virtual paper they are written on, or that it would be madness to buy a house like this etc. I suppose I am trying to see is there a matter of objective fact here that I can find or, or is it entirely subjective? It's a lovely house, and I have been looking a long time.

I think this might be one where the estate agents skim a little off the value to make it attractive but you are basically buying a house with a £10k discount that needs £50k of work. They had a lot of offers on it, some at asking price - I should image from younger couples who could take a few financial hits and so weren't too worried about the level of refurb needed.

I've also posted here previously that it's next door to a builder and you can see he's done his place up so I wonder could I ask him what he would tackle first vs. what he would say just live with - or would that be too weird?

Yes, unfortunately you'll find that type of opinion in many forum postings. My advice would be to take notice of advice specifically from people who actually have experience or qualifications in energy assessment. Good luck.

joeninetey · 03/01/2026 22:26

Is it a house you like, in an area you like for a reasonable price that you like, then buy it. All this 'modern epc stuff' has been largely manufactured by out of touch govt to be ignored imo.

DecisionTime123 · 03/01/2026 23:07

Mycarsmellsoflavender · 02/01/2026 21:59

Have you looked into eco 4 grants? You can get a grant towards the cost of installing a heat pump if you’re on certain benefits or dependant on region, under a certain income level (in my area the income limit is 31k). They can also fit solar panels as well under the scheme. The scheme does however end in March which might be too soon for you but is likely to be replaced with something else.

Also @Bilivino just googled and EDF gives an estimate of £5.5k or thereabouts to install a heat pump using a grant of £7.5 to top up - I had no idea. I wasn't up for any big works apart from a modest new bathroom but yes this could work? Will research further, thank you.

I really do appreciate all the thoughts on here because some echoed my own - just pull out - but then I kept thinking maybe there is a way through it? Anyway, I'll be talking to whoever I need to talk to on Monday when no doubt the estate agent will be having a fit as I haven't arranged the full survey or given the solicitor the green light!

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