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To feel incredibly incredibly upset and stressed about this? What would you do?

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amiacame · 08/11/2024 19:53

In August we found out that our house has asbestos sheets in the roof. We have lived here for only 8 months and it wasn’t picked up on the survey. We’ve been told that they are the sheets that were there when the house was built and so in the next few years the roof will need doing. There’s bit of the roof that are already in not great condition as it is. We need to move again next year and don’t have the money to fix this at the moment and whilst the inspection report said that these sheets were secure, they don’t look in perfect condition to me and I am now terrified my little girl who is 1 has been exposed to asbestos. I feel sick. I can’t sleep and just want to escape but we can’t until we sell. I feel like we’ve put her whole life at risk and I’m getting migraines from the stress. Does anyone have any experience of this sort of thing and how much risk we have posed to our daughter? I’ve attached a photo

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Diyextension · 09/11/2024 11:43

Plus it’s on the outside of house , so not sure how it could contaminate anybody up there ?

TheBunyip · 09/11/2024 11:48

There are lots of types of asbestos and asbestos sheeting is the least worrisome of all. All current advice is to be aware of where it is but to keep it in situ unless it’s damaged. It’s moving / disturbing it that increases the risk

it’s the fluffy, cotton woolish type which is of most concern.

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:00

I feel a bit better than yesterday thank you. I’ve now developed a new worry which is linked…

during the survey the man when into the attic (used for storage mainly) and he noticed that there was a section of the wall that had been filled in with asbestos. He called it grade two or something, said it was middle range in terms of danger. He said he was pretty certain it was asbestos but part of their job is to take a sample. So that’s what he did.

I am really worried that when he came down from the attic that fibres could then have been released into the house. I did say this to him when he came down and he said any fibres would have been so slight that they would just disappear and it’s really unlikely that any would be ingested from the small fraction of sample he took. He also sealed the area while he was up there but said it wasn’t damaged so wouldn’t have been letting off fibres in any case.

but I can’t stop worrying that fibres have been released from him taking this sample?! I wish I had said no don’t take a sample just cover it but he sort of did it automatically. He didn’t even use gloves though he did wear a mask and he said he wipes his hands afterwards which is fine for this sort of thing. He was very knowledgable generally and he didn’t try and sell anything so I did think he was trustworthy.

but now I’m worried about the areas he has been in and I’ve been avoiding the room that the attic door leads down to to.

im tagging everyone as you were all so helpful that I would be really grateful if anyone has any thoughts on this incident. I am beating myself up about not asking him to not take a sample. @clareykb @Diyextension @EnjoythemoneyJane @ItsVeryHyacinthBucket @LIZS @misslooloo @Mozza77 @Normaja @Potatomashed @SabreIsMyFave @TilerSwift @Whataretalkingabout

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LIZS · 09/11/2024 16:05

You need help with your anxiety. He has taken correct precautions but it may not even be asbestos.

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:07

LIZS · 09/11/2024 16:05

You need help with your anxiety. He has taken correct precautions but it may not even be asbestos.

@LIZS it was confirmed that it was after testing though it’s now covered properly

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MeasureAndMeasure · 09/11/2024 16:21

Why did the original surveyor not note the asbestos? Not that it will help with your anxiety but if the surveyor should have noted at least the possibility of asbestos but didn’t, you might be able to claim the costs of rectifying the situation from them. I was in a similar situation (not asbestos) and the surveyor paid for repairs to a problem they had not identified.

But I agree with pp, the bigger problem is dealing with your anxiety.

Also I have just had asbestos sampling done. I asked beforehand how they ensure the sampling process does not cause asbestos in the air etc. They spray water to reduce dust and apply a sealant afterwards.

Mozza77 · 09/11/2024 16:23

I am literally revising asbestos regs for an exam on Monday. The area is sealed, you are not in contact with it, he will not have brought fibres down with him and you are not at risk. Asbestos is fine as long as you aren’t cutting it or smashing it up and breathing it in. Touching it doesn’t hurt you, hence no gloves but as he was close to it (and presumably loft insulation) in a confined space he wore a mask which is the correct PPE to use. Asbestos is really easy for professionals to identify, he took a tiny sample which will have been secured and then sealed to make safe The room below the sealed area is safe. You are safe. 25 years in construction, qualified health and safety professional.
I would also suggest some counselling to address what is coming across as anxiety, do you have a HV you can speak to? MN has lots of MH resources but if you need some signposting, let us know and we will help.

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:29

MeasureAndMeasure · 09/11/2024 16:21

Why did the original surveyor not note the asbestos? Not that it will help with your anxiety but if the surveyor should have noted at least the possibility of asbestos but didn’t, you might be able to claim the costs of rectifying the situation from them. I was in a similar situation (not asbestos) and the surveyor paid for repairs to a problem they had not identified.

But I agree with pp, the bigger problem is dealing with your anxiety.

Also I have just had asbestos sampling done. I asked beforehand how they ensure the sampling process does not cause asbestos in the air etc. They spray water to reduce dust and apply a sealant afterwards.

@MeasureAndMeasure I asked the surveyor this and he said it was likely missed as it is such a small patch in the attic, he thinks at the time it was put in it was to just fill a small gap.

yes he did say he had sprayed it to wet it. And then he said he sealed it afterwards, he said sealing was to protect the entire area though, not just the bit he had taken for a sample? I understand they can do it in a controlled way but what if some was on his hands or clothes as the sample was taken and then it came down with him and floated onto the floor? I know it sounds dramatic but when you Google these things it says that can happen

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Singleandproud · 09/11/2024 16:30

Just about every older public building you go into will have asbestos, every school, every hospital, every shop as long as you aren't drilling into it or sanding it down you will be fine. There are plenty of other chemicals in our environment that can cause harm and plenty more we don't know about yet. You control the ones you can and try not to worry about the ones you can't. If new research comes to light that XYZ was harmful you reassure yourself that you did the best you could with the information you had at the time. Re the information for asbestos - don't let DD be around when they remove it and you'll be fine.

Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:31

I think lots of places have asbestos in them. our garage roof has it and goodness knows what’s in the artex. we were told do not disturb and all will be fine. And if we DID want to disturb, then to let the disturbers know of the issue so they could take precautions

Bubblebuttress · 09/11/2024 16:32

EnjoythemoneyJane · 08/11/2024 22:21

Seriously, don’t panic. There’s a ridiculous amount of scaremongering around asbestos, a lot of it fuelled by the removal companies, who make a very good living exploiting people’s fears.

if you Google asbestos removal in your area, you’ll be surprised at the number of these businesses there are - it’s because a huge percentage of the UK’s housing stock and public buildings (mainly 1940s-1980s) contain it, and certain types can only be removed under license - which is basically a license to print money. Most of us have quite safely lived, worked and gone to school in buildings full of asbestos.

The ‘one fibre’ thing refers to the fact you can become ill from inhaling one fibre - but in order for that to be even remotely possible, you’d need to be heavily exposed to airborne particles of broken or degraded material, which is vanishingly unlikely in most domestic situations. Unless your house is a snowstorm of asbestos, there’s no way a single spiralling microscopic fibre can find its way into you or anyone else in your family.

And it has to be fibres from a couple of very specific types of asbestos, in very specific unstable materials. Most is completely stable and the sheets can just be removed and wrapped in plastic by the householder and taken to the local tip, where there’s usually a special holding area for it.

My house was originally built in the 40s and we recently discovered an amount of asbestos sheeting in the loft, some of it broken. Like you, I was immediately anxious, worrying about the risk and the exposure my children may have had in the past. But then I rationalised that guys from all the four companies who came to quote were poking around up there without masks or anything else. They’re exposed to asbestos on a daily basis and didn’t seem remotely bothered.

The first three companies were soooo lovely and helpful, so very quick to arrive to quote for us - so many credentials, so many years of experience, such professional vans and uniforms. They all measured and form-filled and sucked their teeth, and finally reassured us they could do a licensed removal (safety protocols, sealed chambers etc) of this very dangerous material, that it would only take a week or so; that they’d need to close access to the top floor of the house; that they could ‘decontaminate’ our belongings and ensure everything was safely disposed of. Their quotes were between £8.5 and £10.5K + VAT, and DH and I had a week of stressful, sleepless nights wondering where the hell we were going to get the money from - because, you know, ASBESTOS 💀, and we had no choice, what else could we do?

The fourth guy walked in, took one look at it and said he was 99% certain the material was totally safe and had been wrongly classified, and told us that any asbestos contractor would have been able to see that at a glance. We had it retested and he was right. He took it away and and air tested the loft for a few hundred quid (he said we could have done it ourselves for nothing, but we gladly paid him as we were so grateful for his honesty). He also told us that even if it had been the really terrible, scary stuff, it would have taken about a day to remove and clean up, and he’d have done it under licensed conditions for a tiny fraction of the other quotes.

Don’t underestimate how much frightening information is put about by sharky chancers who are looking to profit from people’s fear and lack of understanding.

Please sleep easy and don’t worry about your little girl. There’s no way a surveyor would allow your family to live in an unsafe building.

Great post x

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:32

Mozza77 · 09/11/2024 16:23

I am literally revising asbestos regs for an exam on Monday. The area is sealed, you are not in contact with it, he will not have brought fibres down with him and you are not at risk. Asbestos is fine as long as you aren’t cutting it or smashing it up and breathing it in. Touching it doesn’t hurt you, hence no gloves but as he was close to it (and presumably loft insulation) in a confined space he wore a mask which is the correct PPE to use. Asbestos is really easy for professionals to identify, he took a tiny sample which will have been secured and then sealed to make safe The room below the sealed area is safe. You are safe. 25 years in construction, qualified health and safety professional.
I would also suggest some counselling to address what is coming across as anxiety, do you have a HV you can speak to? MN has lots of MH resources but if you need some signposting, let us know and we will help.

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@Mozza77 thank you. I do have anxiety about lots of things, usually when I understand something I can rationalise and then move on but when it’s an area in which I have basic understanding I begin to panic and think the worst. So it was ok to. It wear gloves? When I realised he wasn’t wearing gloves I suddenly panicked he didn’t know what he was doing. How can you be sure a fibre hasn’t come off while taking the sample though? If it’s tampered with isn’t that exactly how the fibres are released? If any were on the floor could I go over with a hoover or would that make it worse..

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NukaCola · 09/11/2024 16:35

You need to see your doctor about your anxiety as this level of overthinking and distress is not normal.

There is no point in any of us reassuring you about asbestos or its removal as you will just find something else to worry about. It's not the asbestos which is the problem it's the anxiety.

Papricat · 09/11/2024 16:44

Might as well stop drinking tap water, it is full of polyfluoroalkyl substance. Also I hear 6G is affecting our DNA...

Mozza77 · 09/11/2024 16:50

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:32

@Mozza77 thank you. I do have anxiety about lots of things, usually when I understand something I can rationalise and then move on but when it’s an area in which I have basic understanding I begin to panic and think the worst. So it was ok to. It wear gloves? When I realised he wasn’t wearing gloves I suddenly panicked he didn’t know what he was doing. How can you be sure a fibre hasn’t come off while taking the sample though? If it’s tampered with isn’t that exactly how the fibres are released? If any were on the floor could I go over with a hoover or would that make it worse..

You don’t need gloves to touch asbestos. He won’t have damaged it when he took a sample.
the health risks associated with working with asbestos are clearly understood and EVERYONE in construction is trained regularly on how to be safe around it. Surveyors included. We are respectful around it, know how to deal with it and what ppe is required.
one single fibre will not harm you. Think of what he did like plucking an eyebrow hair with tweezers and then covering it with a massive square of duct tape to protect it. The type that will be in your loft isn’t the sort that has free fibres anyway. Think about how it’s made, it’s essentially a liquid mixed with fibres that then sets so the fibres are encased in the set liquid. It looks like plasterboard. It’s not just floating around and is NOT like loft insulation. Hopefully that will rationalise it for you.
Give the carpet a hoover, empty the hoover into the bin and then sit down and breathe. Your demons are magnifying this, you are safe, your family are safe and the asbestos is safe.
Please speak to your HV about your anxiety levels.

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:52

@Mozza77

To feel incredibly incredibly upset and stressed about this? What would you do?
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amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:54

@Mozza77 sorry added that photo for you then realised you had replied already. Thank you. I think I was imagining it like when a brick is cut into then bits would crumble and I envisioned the fibres crumbling out then flying around! I know I’m getting carried away. Thank you for replying and yes I am in the process of having support with anxiety, particularly with things relating to my daughter as I immediately beat myself up about things.

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EnjoythemoneyJane · 09/11/2024 16:55

I’m sorry, OP, I’d love to be able to help you more, but @NukaCola (and everyone else) is right - there’s absolutely nothing any of us can say that will reduce your anxiety.

You’ve had invaluable advice on this thread from people who deal with asbestos in a professional capacity; you’ve heard experiences from people like me who’ve been in your shoes and others who’ve had contact or issues with asbestos.

In all this you’ve had nothing but total reassurance from everyone, including the professionals who’ve actually visited your home, and you’re still finding ways to worry. Please get some help if you can - it must be so exhausting for you to be this anxious.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 09/11/2024 16:55

Sorry, x-post. Glad you’re getting support 💐

Mozza77 · 09/11/2024 17:31

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:52

@Mozza77

Yep, exactly as I thought. The fibres are encased, zero to worry about. If that eyebrow hair I mentioned was set into 5 litres of jelly and you threw the jelly around the house so it smashed up, the chances of that single eyebrow hair getting free and then reattaching it to your face is the likelihood of that ever affecting you. Pretty sure you don’t live in the loft, you aren’t planning on taking a jack hammer to it with a vacuum attached to your face to suck up the fibres, it won’t magically grow legs and come and attack you in the night (my husbands constant fear as we live in an old house with billions of them) so you have nowt to worry about.
glad you’re seeking support, I get that irrational fears can take over your thoughts, but some techniques to help would be CBT, grounding and yoga. Can you tell I’m also a mental health first aider?
my irrational fear? That my spaniel will one day catch one of the many squiggles that live in our garden and bring it in the house, they are sneaky sods to try and catch and it would be like a benny hill sketch! Imagine a middle aged, slightly chunky woman chasing a squiggle round the house at the same time as two spaniels! (Meant to make you giggle and redirect your thoughts)
mid suggest a glass of wine or a cuppa and let your thoughts settle. You WILL be ok.

Mozza77 · 09/11/2024 17:33

amiacame · 09/11/2024 16:54

@Mozza77 sorry added that photo for you then realised you had replied already. Thank you. I think I was imagining it like when a brick is cut into then bits would crumble and I envisioned the fibres crumbling out then flying around! I know I’m getting carried away. Thank you for replying and yes I am in the process of having support with anxiety, particularly with things relating to my daughter as I immediately beat myself up about things.

Ps. Bricks don’t crumble when you cut them, only if you smash them up with a massive sledge hammer on purpose!

HellsBalls · 10/11/2024 07:32

Honestly @amiacame , you are stressing about nothing. Those boards under the roof are not a risk. The roofers won’t bother taking any precautions when they remove them. That thing in the loft may be a couple of pieces of board used to pack under the beam. Again not worth a second thought. Asbestos doesn’t come in an aerosol can or lose in a bag. It’s invariably part of a solid board that is fine unless you drill into it. The exception is asbestos around hot pipes, unlikely to be used in a domestic setting.
If you had a huge pile of asbestos dust swirling around the loft, you would have something to worry about. But you haven’t.

susiedaisy1912 · 10/11/2024 07:37

Loads of schools and hospitals still have asbestos in them it's only a danger when it's disturbed and the fibres enter the air. Don't worry too much about it op. But when you do sell you may have to adjust the asking price to accommodate this.

Littleannoyingperson · 10/11/2024 07:42

Op are you getting help for your anxiety? Have you spoken to your gp? I really think it is important you do. And quite urgently. Not least so you don’t need to live in this state of panic, but also it can’t be easy for your partner and will have an impact on your child, this is the real risk.

make an appt first thing tomorrow.

HellsBalls · 10/11/2024 08:03

susiedaisy1912 · 10/11/2024 07:37

Loads of schools and hospitals still have asbestos in them it's only a danger when it's disturbed and the fibres enter the air. Don't worry too much about it op. But when you do sell you may have to adjust the asking price to accommodate this.

I doubt it. Nearly every house/building built before the 90’s has these cement and asbestos boards in them, often as the OP’s house, outside, or often as fireproofing. It’s really a non-issue.

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