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Period property, impossible to insulate, impossible to heat, and ridiculous hot water pipe configuration. Help all round please!

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Jux · 18/11/2022 00:36

The house is Georgian and not in particularly good repair. We have no dosh atm so no point thinking lavishly, I have given up on the idea of decent insulation. No matter how many newspapers are stuffed in window gaps, up chimneys (all capped at the top so unusable except by the wind), no matter how many draught excluders we put down or fix to bits of door that don't fit well, it's not going to be a place with no draughts. I can take that; we've been here quite a few years and managed to cope with the draughts even in bad winters before. When we could afford the heating of course!

The place has gas central heating. It's a big old house and I reckon the boiler's a bit small and the hot water tank is definitely too small. 5 floors, high ceilings. There are adequate radiators except on the ground floor which is mainly not heated except for the kitchen. We have been OK with using halogen heaters in the other rooms when in use, but the halogens all had to be replaced from time to time and they all died deaths a few years ago, the light they gave off was annoying anyway; so instead of buying more of the same I persuaded dh to lay out for a couple of oil filled electric radiators. Worked pretty well last year and we'll be having to use them again this year.

Today even dh was cold so the gch has gone on.

My first question is this>
Is it cheaper to run it 24 hrs a day on lowish or to have it on twice a day at a higher temperature? We will probably have to use the electric radiators too anyway, esp if we just have the gch on low as I am disabled, pretty sedentary and get very cold which makes me more debilitated.

So now, our hot water situation.
The boiler is in the basement and we think the pipes run to the first floor where the hw tank is and then up to the 3rd floor, from where they come down floor by floor until they finally reach the kitchen. We have worked this out by timing how long it takes for the water to run hot, on each floor when we first moved in.

We are appalled at the waste of water as it sits in the pipes going cold, and all the cold water as the pipes empty of it when we are waiting for hot water in the kitchen. I am not fit enough atm to struggle with the hose and fixings to get that water into the barrel so it can be used for the garden. I almost salivated the first time I saw a qooker!

Anyway, we want one of those instant hot water things you put above a sink/bath which is plumbed into the cold feed, thus cutting the kitchen out of the hot water loop altogether. You know, one of those things that so many rented flats had over the bath which meant you either got a swimming pool temperature bath quickly, or ran the hot tap so slowly you could cook, serve, eat and clean up after a 5 course meal for 20 people while the bath ran! I don't even know what they're called!

Next month we could probably scrabble about 50 quid together, so it would need to be a cheap one. Can anyone recommend anything that's not going to be too hard to install oneself and isn't too expensive. We could wait until Jan when we might have a little more spare dosh (but not much more!).

Thank you.

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Jux · 21/11/2022 21:54

BarbaraofSeville · 18/11/2022 08:13

I always laugh at the suggestion to install a hot water tap, especially for people who have no money - they cost more than a lifetime's worth of kettles.

Option 1 - sell up and move.

If option 1 not feasible, is there any scope to sell to a developer to turn the property into flats and allow you to continue to live on a floor or two?

If neither of the above are viable, close off some rooms/floors and live in the remainder.

And

We are trying to get the place ready to sell, but it'll take quite a while as a) no dosh and b) some important maintenance must be done before we can let strangers into it (not nec safe).

We have approached a developer who owns next door but haven't had leisure to pursue it as yet. Have just had news that another issue which could have caused problems is resolved so dh - who is best of us at that sort of thing - may be able to pick it up again.

In the meantime, no money means no, no qooker-type gadgets, that's just silly dosh to us.

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Jux · 21/11/2022 21:56

HeddaGarbled you were meant to be in that gap in my last post, don't know what happened.

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Jux · 21/11/2022 22:01

RollerCoaster2020 · 20/11/2022 16:39

Boiling the water for a cup of tea or some pasta on the gas hob will save you you two thirds on heating it via a kettle. It will also heat the room up. Having a lid on the pan will reduce condensation. A dehumidifier will also contribute positively to the room.

We don't have an electric kettle. We have a camping kettle which is heated on the hob, so that's how I boild all my water. If I want a cuppa I'll put a cuppa's worth of water in and if I'm doing pasta then I put more in.

Boiling water for a bath is impractical I think. I can't get up and down the stairs easily enough that many times (even once, in fact! I come down in the morning and don't go back up again until bedtime), let alone carrying a hot kettle full of boiling water.....

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Jux · 21/11/2022 22:04

friskybivalves you say " qettle 2 in 1 with a 4 litre boiler is £445 on Amazon. May come down for black Friday too."

You may notice that I said we had about 40quid this month, maybe a bit more next month. My maths tells me you're out by a factor of 10. Glad 400 quid is so little to you though. Well done.

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Jux · 21/11/2022 22:34

We have an immersion heater and don't use it as our hot water is provided by our gas powered boiler and stored in a lagged tank. The pipes are lagged as far as they can be which was pretty well done as far as we could tell when we first moved in nearly 20 years ago and had to have floorboards up all over the place to put tie-rods in. Back then we had the money to keep the house maintained etc.

Yes, we have some shutters, which are not quite as draughty as the windows. There's a limit to what we're allowed to do as it's a listed building and in a conservation area. Further down the road is an emptry house, even older than ours. It's been empty as long as we've been here and looked run down and uncaredfor then. Now it looks completely unsafe. Everyone's waiting for it to just fall apart. Shame for a nice early 18th place to end like that after so long, but I can understand that sometimes it's just impossible to do anything else. Hoping things won't go the same way for us.

We are not helped as we are a semi, and the other half is just being left, has suffered floods and who knows what else. It's being squatted by a rather dangerous individual currently. Come warmer weather, the cops will move him on again, but he'll be back next year no doubt.

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Jux · 21/11/2022 22:39

Many many thanks to all of you who've offered really helpful advice, sadly it does seem that we are already doing a lot of what is suggested.

The TRITON thing is exactly what I'm after, bit pricier than I'd hoped but next month....🤞, no January of couse, we have Xmas first.

One day, I shall either be ensconced warmly in the basement, or in a nice modern (well, I'd like 30s because I have soooooo much choice!) bungalow where everything works and my energy isn't used up on shivering 😀

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Mumrey · 21/11/2022 22:52

A cousin had one of those quooker taps, spent a fortune on it, has broken down twice and now uses a saucepan to boil water, she says its going to be fixed soon!

Whatevergetsyouthroughthenight · 21/11/2022 23:02

Throws in every room where you sit still for any length of time, electric throw if you can afford it (£50 should get you one), about 1-2 pence to use for 8 hours.

Don’t bother with any jumpers that aren’t wool or at least 80% wool and wear at least two at once.

If desperate, buy a padded boiler suit to wear on top of the multiple wool jumpers (sod when you need a wee though, but oh, so toasty.

Themal underwear top and bottoms.

My house is old, cold and draughty.

Orangesare · 21/11/2022 23:10

Thick curtains from the windows, try and block draughts from the windows with foam strips etc
A calor heater in the hall so the heat rises up the stairs works really well. They are more expensive than £40 and you will need a CO monitor as well.

C4tastrophe · 22/11/2022 07:36

What about letting a couple of rooms so you can afford to turn the heating on full whack?
Let them cheap, depending where you are you can often get weekday renters staying for work.

friskybivalves · 22/11/2022 16:00

Jux · 21/11/2022 22:04

friskybivalves you say " qettle 2 in 1 with a 4 litre boiler is £445 on Amazon. May come down for black Friday too."

You may notice that I said we had about 40quid this month, maybe a bit more next month. My maths tells me you're out by a factor of 10. Glad 400 quid is so little to you though. Well done.

@jux It's a huge amount to me. I was just pointing out to others that it was possible to get a boiling tap for less than £1000 which was the price that had been quoted by PP. I'm sincerely sorry you are cold and that life is so difficult.

Jux · 22/11/2022 18:59

friskybivalves sorry to be tetchy; it's tough for all of us atm.

Everyone, some fab suggestions and thank you all very much. I'm hoping we can get some electric blankets in time for Xmas. I can layer up so far, but beyond about two layers it gets so I have problems bending my arms, and clothes start to get too heavy. Also with MS you get horrible uncontrollable bladder so getting ones clothes sorted for that quickly is an absolute must!

We are seriously considering moving my room down to the basement which will be(is) warmer. Tremendous amount of work and moving stuff like furniture etc involved. (The basement was rented out but the last tenants left it in such a state and so much of it absolutely unusable and broken that we shall never ever rent it out again. Atm it's unusable except as storage, will need deep deep cleaning before anyone sets foot in it and all furniture chucked, probably hazardous waste it's all so filthy. God knows what they did there.)

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NellyBarney · 23/11/2022 09:58

Jux · 22/11/2022 18:59

friskybivalves sorry to be tetchy; it's tough for all of us atm.

Everyone, some fab suggestions and thank you all very much. I'm hoping we can get some electric blankets in time for Xmas. I can layer up so far, but beyond about two layers it gets so I have problems bending my arms, and clothes start to get too heavy. Also with MS you get horrible uncontrollable bladder so getting ones clothes sorted for that quickly is an absolute must!

We are seriously considering moving my room down to the basement which will be(is) warmer. Tremendous amount of work and moving stuff like furniture etc involved. (The basement was rented out but the last tenants left it in such a state and so much of it absolutely unusable and broken that we shall never ever rent it out again. Atm it's unusable except as storage, will need deep deep cleaning before anyone sets foot in it and all furniture chucked, probably hazardous waste it's all so filthy. God knows what they did there.)

I am so sorry to hear that. If you have MS, is there anything the council or a local charity/ Church could do to help get your basement cleared and save for you? Someone might well be able to donate curtains and hang them up for you, too. Don't be shy to call around asking for help, you deserve some!!!!

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