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Smelly house - mould/mildew? Would Envirovent help?

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turningpoint · 14/04/2022 16:32

Hi everyone, we have a mid century bungalow that is difficult to air enough. It smells bad, we really notice when we come home. Musty/damp smell. It seems to have got worse over a few years. We are careful not to leave wet clothes airing without a dehumidifier and open the kitchen door when cooking. We get some mould on outside walls sometimes (so have moved any furniture away), and lots of condensation on windows in the winter (which we wipe off then open windows). We don't heat it as much as we'd like due to cost and environmental impact. So the house is often pretty cold. If we open several windows wide for a few hours it smells fresher, but the smell comes back soon after closing them.

Trying to figure out what to do about the smell. The roof and gutters have been checked recently. We had one roof leak at one point but a surveyor has confirmed it is all dried up now (used a damp meter on the ceiling). I suppose there could be a leak somewhere else like under the floors (mostly carpeted), or maybe rain gets into the crawl space via vents (would that make the whole house stink?). DH says it didn't seem wet anywhere last time he went into the crawl space. There is insulation beneath the floors.

Any suggestions on A) finding out definitively if there is any kind of leak in the house; and B) whether something like EnviroVent/other mechanical ventilation with heat recovery would be a good solution for freshening the air and removing any mould issue. (I've read a few threads on the latter on here and people seem pleased with it, but would like to rule out any other source of the smell other than just a cold house with unchanged air).

Many thanks!

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PigletJohn · 15/04/2022 15:41

as for an extractor, the best I know is the Soler & Palau Silent 100 T (also branded "Envirovent" which is the UK subsidiary.

It is nominal 86 cu.m/hr and very quiet; so more powerful than your old extractor, but I would prefer to get one with 180 or 240 cu.m/hr if you are going to the trouble of an upgrade. These are too big to fit in a hole in the wall but can go in the loft and will give more confidence.

note the "T" suffix which means it has a timer to run on for 20 minutes or so after you turn the light off, giving it time to scavenge remaining water vapour.

As it is so cheap to run I might leave it running continuously if you already have a damp problem. You could do the same with your existing fan and see if that helps.

PigletJohn · 15/04/2022 15:47

[quote turningpoint]@pigletjohn yes it's about 18cm diameter and brown glazed looking. So it looks like that needs replacing.[/quote]
some examples of salt-glazed clay on here

usually the socket breaks, and the bend breaks. You won't know what you need until you dig it out (unless your neighbour recently dug up an identical one)

As it is not a soil pipe you can afford to dig it out and take a day or two to look at it and buy replacements.

I'd get plastic.

PigletJohn · 15/04/2022 16:00

example of a really good 4" ducted fan for a small shower room, 160cu.m/hr

and an even more powerful one for a medium sized bathroom with steamy shower. For some reason the 250 Timed is not listed at the moment, but would be the one to get. 250cu.m/hr

There is a whole range going up to 1000cu.m/hr which would pull the door off!

These ducted fans go in the loft with a (preferably rigid) plastic duct going out through a hole in a wall, or the soffit, or, if unavodiable, the roof. mount it on a ply board, padded with carpet underlay or something to prevent vibrations passing into the joists the board is screwed to

chisanunian · 15/04/2022 16:20

If it is a 60's house it might be like ours in that the downpipes from the guttering go down into the ground and that's it. They aren't connected to the drainage system at all, the water just soaks away into the surrounding soil.

turningpoint · 15/04/2022 16:23

Thanks for the advice. We'll have a go at digging out the bottom of the downpipe.

Thanks for the fan suggestions, will take a look.

Given the effort needed to keep airing the house to avoid condensation just from breathing too (I understand bungalows are harder to get good air flow in than two storey houses), would you not recommend also getting a fan say in the hall? All rooms are off a central hall so I thought it might help with just general air change and freshness (as well as tackling shower humidity at source).

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PigletJohn · 15/04/2022 16:24

@chisanunian

If it is a 60's house it might be like ours in that the downpipes from the guttering go down into the ground and that's it. They aren't connected to the drainage system at all, the water just soaks away into the surrounding soil.
if it's really like that, it's wrong.

Rainwater pipes can be connected to a soakaway, typically a pit or box filled with stone or clean rubble, set away from the house, and covered over.

But should not just pour onto the ground, especially next to a house where they might turn it to mud, weakening the foundations.

PigletJohn · 15/04/2022 16:34

@turningpoint

Thanks for the advice. We'll have a go at digging out the bottom of the downpipe.

Thanks for the fan suggestions, will take a look.

Given the effort needed to keep airing the house to avoid condensation just from breathing too (I understand bungalows are harder to get good air flow in than two storey houses), would you not recommend also getting a fan say in the hall? All rooms are off a central hall so I thought it might help with just general air change and freshness (as well as tackling shower humidity at source).

I hadn't heard that. I wonder if, without the height, there is no natural convection of warm air and water vapour rising up the stairwell and being replaced by cool dry air through the gaps? I have a 3-storey house and airflow is certainly upwards. So I open the loft hatch in hot weather.

I'd be more inclined to draw it out from the kitchen and bathroom, and let it enter elsewhere, perhaps into the hall. If, like me, you have a draughty letterbox, air will enter there.

Some homes were built with airbricks in the bedrooms and a food cuboard or pantry to encourage airflow. People often block these up on the grounds that fresh air is a draught. Trickle vents on windows are a useful replacement. But some people block those up, too.

Netty909 · 15/04/2022 17:56

I had a one bedroom first floor maisonette, always had mould and condensation in the stairway, bathroom and kitchen. I had an Envirovent ventilation unit put in the loft plus 2 extractors which detected moisture and would turn on automatically. This solved the mould and condensation problem straightaway. I think they said if the mould came back within 12 months I would get a refund plus had a 5 year guarantee so had peace of mind. I had a free survey and quote with no obligation and they didn't hassle me afterwards, so if they still do this it may be worthwhile just seeing what they say and maybe get some advice.

Alwayscheerful · 16/04/2022 11:36

I bought a new one via eBay approx £150 and an electrician installed it in the loft for £100 .
DampCo or similar quoted £750 plus vat this was around 7 years ago.
Solved the mould problem in a rental property.
Highly recommend.

turningpoint · 16/04/2022 14:37

Thanks everyone, will look into the different ventilation options.

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Lea1437 · 17/04/2022 11:17

Trickle vents maybe? They are cheap and easy to install. Might be worth trying them first before spending a lot of money.

benshephard · 16/01/2024 11:45

please don't get a piv unit with out testing the air quality in the attic mould is sometimes invisible this could be the smell. we had a unit fitted and was blowing round mould into our house this has has our baby very unwell we had the attic tested and we had high levels of mould. we came across a lady today who has the same problems. unwell baby noise bleeds brain fog. It cant be just us, i called a mould company they said if you have a smell its mould.

PigletJohn · 16/01/2024 12:01

benshephard · 16/01/2024 11:45

please don't get a piv unit with out testing the air quality in the attic mould is sometimes invisible this could be the smell. we had a unit fitted and was blowing round mould into our house this has has our baby very unwell we had the attic tested and we had high levels of mould. we came across a lady today who has the same problems. unwell baby noise bleeds brain fog. It cant be just us, i called a mould company they said if you have a smell its mould.

That makes me think the source of water was in the loft, perhaps a roof leak or steam rising from the bathroom.

I am very much in favour of finding and rectifying any fault causing damp before investing in mechanical devices.

benshephard · 16/01/2024 13:30

HI Pigletjohn.

we had to have the roof replaced the insulation was wet in the cavity wall our render was blown. our guttering was blocked and back feeding into the house we didn't have an visible mould just condensation and the house felt damp.
envirovent said the humidity was high and we needed a piv unit.
we had a musty smell 2 weeks after fitting the unit, our baby then hand skin problems, long story short went into analytic from food we had blood test done they found mould in her blood. she was sleeping in the room next to the unit and was fine 4 months before the unit was fitted. we then had pure maintenance come in and test for mould the attic and unit was covered. all this should be tested before the unit is fitted and why are they not fixing the problem not just masking the problem. the filter on the unit doesn't even filter out mould or smells.

benshephard · 16/01/2024 13:35

This is what happened to our baby, she now has life threating allergies

camps99 · 22/05/2025 21:02

benshephard · 16/01/2024 11:45

please don't get a piv unit with out testing the air quality in the attic mould is sometimes invisible this could be the smell. we had a unit fitted and was blowing round mould into our house this has has our baby very unwell we had the attic tested and we had high levels of mould. we came across a lady today who has the same problems. unwell baby noise bleeds brain fog. It cant be just us, i called a mould company they said if you have a smell its mould.

Hope to be able to connect on this issue. We had exactly the same problem with this company and I have been trying to sort things with them for months and months. We need people to come forward. Hope your baby has not suffered any long term effects

KTSl1964 · 23/05/2025 07:52

Would a dehumidifier help?

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