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New built house vs older Victorian house: pros and cons?

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Sandrine1982 · 23/07/2021 08:23

Hi there.

We're viewing two houses this weekend, both in a nice area, one is a new build (2015) the other is a nicely done up standard Victorian property, only slightly bigger.

The price difference is 100K.

So it made me wonder, why are new build properties always cheaper? I know you can't do much to them in terms of extension / conversion, but they also have pros (they have a better EPC rating, often more practical lay out ... etc etc).

So am I missing something? What else should I be concerned about with new builds?

Thanks mumsnet!

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RedMarauder · 24/07/2021 16:57

@WombatChocolate that is a generalisation

I know 3 people who live in new build houses in established roads in different locations. (In fact one lives a road away from me.)

The houses are as near shops, a station and bus stops as their neighbours who live in houses built in the last two centuries.

My friends properties were build by small developers on brown field sites including a former church. (No it didn't have a graveyard)

Lots of established roads in towns and cities have buildings and land that is no longer being used. Depending on the local plan developers who buy them can't get away with just building flats so have to build houses only or a mixture of houses and flats.

In my friends cases their developers were only allowed to build houses so built 2 houses in each case.

In two of the cases the house design had to fit in with the character of that particular road as they are conservative areas so the house design mimics their neighbours giving them large windows. The other developer could build what they like within reason so went a bit mad with glass to give them large windows.

Starseeking · 24/07/2021 17:08

@Sandrine1982

:-) haha good points name6785 :)

Oh, and can anyone explain the new build paying a premium please? I don't think I understand it ...

New builds are guaranteed for the first 10 years via NHBC, so if anything major goes wrong during that time, you shouldn't have to pay for it.

The developer also has to correct faults (snagging) within the first 6 months as a minimum, so you don't have to pay for that either.

The new build premium you are paying is effectively for the potential maintenance costs that someone else has to deal with.

Victorian houses can be a money pit, but they make up for it in high ceilings and character that you don't tend to get in new builds.

Bluntness100 · 24/07/2021 17:12

Sounds like you prefer th new build. So go for it

The new build commands a premium over say the same house they was built ten years or so ago

It doesn’t command a premium over period properties.

It’s all about taste.

WombatChocolate · 24/07/2021 17:45

RedMarauder, yes of course it is a generalisation. I did say that I was referring to new build properties in larger estates. This is where the majority in terms of numbers are to be found.

MOST new builds are on larger estates. These tend not to be located in the centre of towns but on the edge. By nature, they aren't near the key amenities, although often the larger ones have a a school or GP surgery built too, even if only after a few years. As I mentioned there are smaller developments and yes, some are very central. As with all houses you are paying very much for location. More central locations close to amenities and transport tend to command a higher price.

And yes, the premium for a new build is for that kind of house compared to one of a similar style which is a few years old. It isn't a premium in comparison to a period property.

When looking at new builds and considering their true medium term worth, look at similar properties that are around 8-10 years old. Make sure you compare a similarity location and not just house. You can see then if there is a really significant premium for the newbuild or not.

One big factor which has inflated their prices is the fact they are the only properties available for most who need help to buy or shared ownership. The irony is that those who cannot afford to buy via a full mortgage on their own, are pushed towards the more expensive option of the new build. But that's often the way with taking what is essentially a further credit agreement and seen in terms of taking on PCP/lease cars etc too....people often can afford the monthly payments (higher than if not in such a scheme) but couldn't afford to buy outright.

As a PP said, it is a matter of taste. Some people like older properties and some like new. Lots cannot imagine what others see I the alternative property. Those who love new build sometimes hate the idea of maintenance or potential unknown future costs. Often they love the many bathrooms and the modern lifestyle layouts. They will put up with the small gardens which are often overlooked for this, along with the fact there is usually an allocated amount of parking with the property, which is highly valued by lots of people. Often people think just in terms of the home itself and the inside and not so much about the surrounding area.
Others dislike the idea of being on an estate or the small gardens or being overlooked or the congestion issues which can arise from narrow streets and people parking outside their designated spots. They do t want to get in their cars for everything, but prefer a standard street. They put up with sometimes poor parking as a result and accept maintenance as standard. Everyone makes compromises when they buy a house.

New builds do differ. There are small developments and there are real luxury houses with huge gardens which can be very central. However, the vast majority of new builds by volume sold are properties on larger estates and do have smaller gardens and are less centrally based.

Speaking in very general terms again, you'll find different subsets of society buying new builds and older properties. Look at the marketing for new builds and think about who they are targeting. Where you're talking about smaller family houses, the builder is usually targeting families with financial incentives who might not otherwise be able to afford the 3 or 4 bed house. A scheme which gives help to buy or shared ownership or takes an existing property off people's homes suits those who are less confident in house buying and negotiating, have less financial security behind them already than some people, and who might be willing to focus a lot on monthly affordability rather than long term cost of the buying method. That's why many of the people buying these properties also have cars on PCP or lease. It is targeting people with a certain approach and attitude to finance....people who would like to have the bigger or newer item, but can't afford it outright, but are willing to pay more over time in order to get it.

Notice, I did say I'm generalising. Clearly there se people who buy new builds as cash buyers and those downsizing who aren't interested in financial incentives and packages. However, these days, over 80% of new cars are sold as lease/PCP and on the bigger estates, very large numbers of properties are sold via financial help to buy schemes in some form or other.

Lots of people could afford to buy something different without one of those schemes. They might be able to buy an older property with 1 less bedroom and get the full mortgage. However, for lots of people there is real appeal in the shiny new that no-one else has lived in, plus bigger is often appealing, even if it's not currently affordable unless a scheme is used which will cost more over time.

It's the way to up sell these days with lots of things. Tell people they need or deserve bigger and newer and that there is a way for them to have it now, rather than waiting until they have saved to afford it by conventional routes. These methods used by new housebuilders and car salesmen have breathed huge life into housebuilding and the new car industry. It is all an extension of credit and allowing people to access what they cannot afford by conventional routes.

Other people aren't interested in this stuff. They are happy to borrow with a conventional mortgage and they accept they might get a bedroom or bathroom less by that route, or they might have to save for another couple of years before they buy or before they move. Or they accept it will be a 15 year old house with a slightly dated bathroom rather than the brand new with help to buy, or the Victorian terrace with a poky kitchen. Different things work for different people.

Willwebebuyingnumber11 · 24/07/2021 17:49

Missing the point of the thread but why are you under the impression you cannot do much to or extend a new build?

DonLewis · 24/07/2021 17:54

I lived in a lot of Victorian houses.

The only thing I'm going to contribute is that not one room was plumb square. So if your after am easy life in terms of redecorating, putting things on walls, new floors, skirting boards, it will be a potential ball ache.

I loved 2 of the Victorian houses I've lived in though, but one was dreadful because of the neighbour noise (the walls seemed to be super thin in that particular one).

I have never lived in a new build, so can't comment.

Homez · 25/07/2021 14:31

Previously would never have considered new-build, until we found the one we have now. Not all new build developments are the same, and some like ours, have far more kerb appeal than other properties in the area. We live surrounded by woodland, no traffic, don't overlook any other properties, and our house is a beautiful design with so much character! As for size, we have 2,500 sq ft, and although we paid a premium compared to older houses in the area, we are very happy. Don't write it off because some people generalise on their 'lack of soul'.....

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