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First time buyers relocating to Market Harborough or Uppingham, advice?

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Nightshade26 · 13/04/2021 13:20

Good afternoon, Mumsnetters!

I'm a long time lurker who, until now, didn't have an account. I've found all your insight and community both helpful and inspiring while trying to narrow down areas in which to relocate or to buy.

We're based in the South East and, like most people who rent here, we've been completely priced out of the property market. There's just no question, anymore. We'd love to stay here with our support network, family, and friends, but this is the sad reality of low wages and sky-high property prices.

Since the big C hit in 2020, DH and I have been working from home. Our company has dragged its feet coming to decision about whether this will be a forever situation, but all signs say that it will be. The company have indicated that, as long as we can make it into an office site once a month, they can't tie us down to living within X miles of an office.

Now, to the material point.

Because of the C-who-shall-not-be-named, we haven't been able to leave our area to explore where we might relocate to. We've relied entirely on google maps, crime statistics, reviews and, of course, the good word of mumsnetters to get an idea of what it's like to really live in certain areas.

DH and I are quite taken with the idea of Market Harborough.

It reminds me of my childhood in and around certain parts of Devon, it seems to have a nice sense of community and, most importantly, we could afford a two to three bedroom house with a garage (garage is very important to DH). We both understand that it is considered a more expensive part of the general area but, believe me, it doesn't have a patch on our current location.

In fact, we are so indoctrinated into the idea that a house is beyond our means that we question what might be wrong with it if we can afford it!

The other advantage of Market Harbs is, of course, the high speed rail line which I would be entirely dependent on to reach an office as and when is necessary.

During our investigations we've also considered Desborough as it's close to Market Harbs, but have heard mixed things about it.

We also looked at Uppingham (which seems lovely and makes me think of little Cornish and Devonian villages), but noticed that it's a bit of a pain as it doesn't have a train station. As a byproduct, we also looked at Oakham, and have heard mixed reviews about this area, too.

We aren't looking for an area where we would flip a house, sell it, and move on. This isn't an 'investment'. We want to own a home and stop throwing money at landlords. We would like to build a life that isn't transient which, lets be honest, renting always is if you have fickle landlords.

I would love to hear what you all have to say about any of the above areas, your honest experiences, whether you think we might have trouble moving into certain communities, safety (I was a victim of a burglary situation as a child while we were all home and, although it's people and not places that cause crime, I am always wary of areas that generally feel 'unsafe'), what you would avoid, what you can recommend, etc.

We'd like to narrow it all down a bit so that we can make plans to visit some of these lovely places when it's safe to do so.

Many thanks in advance for anything that you have to say, good or bad.

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EdithWeston · 14/04/2021 09:27

If Uppingham interests you, do look at Oakham as well. Bigger than Uppingham and has a train station.

PS - meant to type that Uppingham is 'lovely' not 'lively' - it has more going on than many little towns, but I think of it as quiet! If you're sporty, you club that runs out of the school's sports centre and it's very good

Nightshade26 · 14/04/2021 09:37

@EdithWeston

If Uppingham interests you, do look at Oakham as well. Bigger than Uppingham and has a train station.

PS - meant to type that Uppingham is 'lovely' not 'lively' - it has more going on than many little towns, but I think of it as quiet! If you're sporty, you club that runs out of the school's sports centre and it's very good

I did have a think about Oakham and another member said they didn't particularly like it. What are your thoughts on the town?
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WaitingforDolly · 14/04/2021 10:58

I think Maves is rather overstating a broken climbing frame and some post-lockdown litter from park drinking as there has been everywhere (yep, even the "nice" teens were out there!). Not denying that there is the occasional "incident" but they won't affect most people.

I said I wasn't keen on Oakham, but don't take any notice of that, as it's not for any rational reason!

TedMullins · 14/04/2021 11:22

Maves is definitely overstating it. I was back for an extended visit over lockdown and I can confirm it hasn’t turned into a crime-riddled ghetto in the time I’ve been away. I think it used to be a bit ‘this is a local shop’ Royston Vasey-ish but I’m talking like 20 years ago, as I said earlier a lot more outsiders are moving there now and I always find people to chat to while walking the dog. Side note: get a dog. You’ll make so many friends there if you do

Nightshade26 · 14/04/2021 11:53

@waitingfordolly oh no no no, I need to take notice! Lol! I'm joking, of course, but gut feelings are important.

I used to live in an area that I always felt was a bit 'off' but thought it was fine, and then lived there for seven years. It was horrid. I'm sure Oakham has lovely parts. In fact the town I was in had one really lovely and affluent area. But I guess I'll have to visit and see what my own gut feeling is about a place.

@TedMullins No overturned waitrose trolleys and people mixing up the recycling at all? No drive-by insults?!

DH and I would love a dog. We've held off because before all the lockdowns we were working every day, so we didn't think that it would be fair. We also have restrictions as renters. And then there are the two cats. The younger would probably be fine, but it's taken the older one a year just to get used to her new 'sister' and she's still not especially keen on her. A dog is definitely on the list of things to do, right after buy house, redecorate, replace broken furniture (our last move was rather haphazard, RIP my wardrobe), and take a holiday.

I also need to dissuade DH from his plan of buying a beagle just so that he can name it 'Mrs. Deegle the Beagle'.

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TedMullins · 14/04/2021 11:58

I’ve always thought Daniel the Spaniel had a good ring to it... maybe don’t tell your DH about that one! Now you mention it, I did see two Sainsbury’s staff looking on with forlorn disappointment at a trolley in the river. It was a sad day for everyone.

Nightshade26 · 14/04/2021 12:18

@TedMullins

I’ve always thought Daniel the Spaniel had a good ring to it... maybe don’t tell your DH about that one! Now you mention it, I did see two Sainsbury’s staff looking on with forlorn disappointment at a trolley in the river. It was a sad day for everyone.
He saw this message and had a giggle at Daniel the Spaniel. I was hoping to get a softy sort of dog and call it Cerberus the Heck Woof but apparently he doesn't want to have to shout that in a park!

I hope that some sternly written letters were sent to the council about the trolley and that some sort of memorial service was held!

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mrscatmad31 · 14/04/2021 12:49

Outing but I live in Harborough and I'm from here (moved away and came back) we have a 3 bed end terrace with a drive and a garage that we bought for 188k 2 years ago. Absolutely love where we live, it's not perfect, it is boring for kids and there is the odd trouble but I wouldn't live anywhere else now. Would not live in Desborough and there absolutely are streets in Harborough I wouldn't live in, Welland park road being one

Nightshade26 · 14/04/2021 12:53

@mrscatmad31

Outing but I live in Harborough and I'm from here (moved away and came back) we have a 3 bed end terrace with a drive and a garage that we bought for 188k 2 years ago. Absolutely love where we live, it's not perfect, it is boring for kids and there is the odd trouble but I wouldn't live anywhere else now. Would not live in Desborough and there absolutely are streets in Harborough I wouldn't live in, Welland park road being one
Good to know, thank you! Any others that you wouldn't look at? We have one road nearby that, on google maps, looks rather nice at one end. But it's all quite dangerous and the source of a lot of trouble (a kidnapping, a weapons raid, drug offenses, vandalism, burglary, etc.) so I know that it's difficult to know the best places to search using google alone.
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mrscatmad31 · 14/04/2021 13:04

That's a bit like Welland park road, one end is lovely, the other isn't! There's an area/street called the Broadway that isn't very good either. I would say your best bet to get what you want is one of the older terraced houses

mrscatmad31 · 14/04/2021 13:06

Harrison Close, Market Harborough
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Susie477 · 14/04/2021 13:08

I live in Leicestershire.

I would happily live in Harborough. It’s quite an affluent area, but also a proper market town, small enough to feel like a real community but big enough to have everything you need, including Waitrose. House prices are higher than in other parts of the county because of the station, which is less than an hour from St Pancras. Many people do commute, or did in normal times.

Uppingham is much smaller, and posher. It’s more of a big village really, and less well connected. The school dominates the town in many ways. Oakham is also very nice, but significantly larger.

Susie477 · 14/04/2021 13:21

In terms of crime, keep things in perspective. 23,000 people live in Harborough, so of course there is some crime as in any town that size, but it’s a million miles from inner-city Leicester. I certainly wouldn’t be at all worried about crime if I moved there.

Gladimnotcampinginthisweather · 14/04/2021 13:27

I live in Northamtonshire, but not too far from Market Harborough. I would love to live in Market Harborough. It has a lot going for it.
Desborough used to be known as 'the land that time forgot'. It's main advantages are cheap houses and proximity to Market Harborough.

EdithWeston · 14/04/2021 13:33

I like Oakham - it's smaller than Market Harborough but it's got a nice feel - a few empty shops, but usually thriving. Schools are good, and there's plenty to do, like Uppingham there are school facilities open to the public sometimes and lots of concerts. No cinema, but there's a film club at the Museum. Some good foodie places (still has both market and farmers' market). County showground, and if you like doing things in the water, Rutland Water on the doorstep.

Small enough for just about everything to be walkable, and although done areas nicer than others there aren't any absolute no-nos. Oodles of new building going on

TedMullins · 14/04/2021 13:57

In terms of other roads you wouldn’t live on, I agree with the ones mentioned, and also western avenue and the surrounding roads and a bit grim. But there’s grim and grim - if you’ve lived next to a notorious estate in Hackney as I have then everywhere in Harborough seems very safe in comparison. The areas mentioned though have differently constructed houses that just don’t look as nice. The area around symington recreation ground also isn’t great and the park itself is a place where teens hang out in groups, and if you wanted to find someone selling illegal substances you could probably find them there.

Nice bits - There are some lovely 20s semis on northampton road and the roads off it, little Bowden is a really nice area like a mini village within the town (and near the station), up around the canal basin and hillcrest avenue have some lovely places at the higher end, gardiner street is very near the park and nice, spacious semis, great Bowden is a village sort of attached to Harborough but has a direct road to the train station.

WaitingforDolly · 14/04/2021 14:54

TedMullins I lived on the Pembury for a bit, but it was the Kingsmead that had a bad reputation in particular at that time.

To go back to Oakham, I think I wasn't keen because at one point the main road seemed to be all charity shops and Wilko, but there have been more interesting foodie places opened since. Uppingham, though smaller always seemed better for a mooch.

Annewithan · 14/04/2021 15:50

You will struggle with living anywhere in Rutland other than Oakham if you don’t drive, especially if you need to commute to London monthly. Research your commute before you pick somewhere. I travel to London monthly for work from Oakham (before covid) and it takes 2 1/2 hours door to door to central London.

Maves · 14/04/2021 21:03

And today in little bowden...

First time buyers relocating to Market Harborough or Uppingham, advice?
Maves · 14/04/2021 21:09

Why was my last post deleted am I not allowed to post those?

Maves · 15/04/2021 11:11

Ahh ok apologies I know why

WaitingforDolly · 16/04/2021 06:53

This from The Times this morning - best places to move in the Midlands www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6eba3552-9c6b-11eb-8da6-6f8eecc82ac3?shareToken=cae9a60c19a47d0dfb9364f6725715cc

Nightshade26 · 16/04/2021 09:36

Just popping on to thank you all for the continued advice! I'm still seeking opinions from people while we hang around waiting for our employers to come to a decision. Part of us still wants to move to Scotland (we especially like that they don't have leasehold flats there which are the bane of the property market), but it's so unlikely that we do firmly believe that MH is still the best option.

@mrscatmad31 It's so odd to me that two ends of the same street can have such polar opposite reputations. I do love that little three bed and it looks like it's on a nice street. We have some houses near to our block of flats that look very similar, only here they're about £350,000 a pop because we're in the South East. Not sure what a survey would say about that kitchen ceiling, but definitely worth investigating!

@Susie477 thank you for the insight! How do you feel about going out into Leicestershire city? Is it a nice place to spend a day, or is it like many other cities with nice spots and iffy bits?

@Gladimnotcampinginthisweather I thought the village I grew up in was the land that time forgot! So, with regard to Desborough, not horrid but also very bland and uninteresting?

@EdithWeston Thank you! I'll keep half an eye on Oakham, in that case! Definitely won't rule out a visit there. MH seems to appeal more due to the high speed rail line if we need to get to Brighton or Nottingham, but there's just a certain quaintness about the Rutland area we were drawn to.

@TedMullins definitely making notes of these areas, thanks Ted! I know it can be very hard to innately 'know' the part of a town you want to live in even if you've stayed there for a weekend. The village I grew up in had a council estate which was very safe, nicely constructed, and generally lovely (although this was back in the mid nineties so I couldn't say what it was like now), but some of the older parts of the village were a bit iffy and not where you'd want to hang around at night. I'm so glad you're all here to offer guidance!

@WaitingforDolly ah so has there been a bit of gentrification and rejuvenation in Oakland as of late?

@Annewithan Ouch, that's a long old commute! I've done 2 hours either way on the daily before when I was down in Devon but I do remember just how horrid that was. Once a month I'd cope with, but this is part of the problem. The office won't commit to telling us how frequently they want us on site. Flipping managers! My boyfriend has a motorbike so we do have 'wheels', but I am seeing that I'd need to learn to drive if we were to relocate to the Rutland area.

@Maves admittedly, that's never good news. It's horrid when people are so destructive. The town I live in now deals with a lot of antisocial behaviour. It's very centralised and we're a good 20 minutes walk from the town centre, so we don't see much of it around here. That said, sirens and blue lights flying past the window isn't an uncommon sight. In the past couple of years we've had a murder, a couple of stabbings, a mass brawl, a kidnapping one street over, and a weapons raid on a house a few roads away from us. As long as our little street is safe and quiet we're quite happy, but this behaviour does tend to spread. I know nowhere is 100% safe (I grew up in a village of 1700 people and still suffered a burglary while we were home and a group of boys tried to abduct me when I was 8 years old), but I suppose it's about reconciling the level and type of crime against your own level of acceptable risk. I'll certainly be keeping an eye on things like this, but compared to what we've put up with in this town over the past three years, it's very mild.

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Maves · 16/04/2021 20:21

Mild compared to that how awful!!
I always like to be honest about places and yes it did used to be nice enough but there amid nothing but trouble there now, I hope you make the right decision in the end though

Timeturnerplease · 16/04/2021 21:43

I didn't see anything close to diversity until I moved to East Sussex

As a tongue in cheek aside, where on earth have you found diversity in East Sussex? Admittedly we’re on the ES/Kent border, but we only have one non-white family in our fairly large village 😂

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