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Garage conversion. No official plans. Builders reluctant to quote...

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LittenTree · 15/07/2012 14:40

If this were a bigger job, I imagine you'd call a builder in, you'd rough out what you wanted, he'd tell you stuff you didn't know, such as what size the 'units' are, i.e. it'll cost less, in the long run, to make that wall 3 units long not 2 3/4 units as it'll cost labour to cut a unit down by a quarter, etc etc. That certain sorts of lighting/heating ventilation are far cheaper to be built in, not retro-added. Like a window there wouldn't get past the council, but one here would, that this sort of flooring is way more economical than that, that this will need to be a fire door, that putting the WC there would make the soil pipe far cheaper to dig because we could attach it to that spur (that I wouldn't have even recognised as such!). And so forth.

BUT all the blokes I called have asked 'have you got yer plans drawn up, love?'

Well, no, if only because it might all come in at way more than we are willing to pay so the £500 spent out on plans would be money down the pan- and what we come up with might be rubbish (see above for all the sort of stuff that would occur to me)! A couple have said, well, if you're handy with a pencil, you can do your own plans but how much detail do they need? Wiring diagrams etc? DO any of the walls need to be fire proof? (yes, in fact). I wouldn't have a clue. BUT I don't seem to be able to get a quote, just 'ball park', without plans!

Any suggestions as to how we can proceed?

I am praying our 'odd job' bloke, who's just boarded the loft in preparation for a garage conversion can talk to his mate etc etc and that he'll effectively 'project manage' it all. But a local builder with local planning rules knowledge would be way better, if one would quote!

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startlife · 18/07/2012 20:08

Maybe this might help with your question - we had a garage conversion and so did a friend, both were around £10k. I think £6k for the south east might be too low a figure, if a builder was VAT registered it would be a £5k job then vat. Do allow around £1k for plans, planning application and building regs.

However it was very much worth the effort and we were delighted with the result. I would go the formal route as if you sell it becomes an issue (you may also get a substandard build if building regs ignored).

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MrsTaraPlumbing · 27/07/2015 09:16

I agree totally with PorkyandBess.

We do this sort of work and if you call a builder who is local and who regularly does this sort of thing they are NOT going to ask for plans up front.
They will be able to advise you.
If only Building Regs are needed no plans have to be drawn at all. Just a written document (we do an email) listing the relevant details.
If you need planning your builder may be able to suggest an architect.

I think the problem you have is that the builders you are calling are:

  1. too busy to be really interested
  2. think it will be a waste of their time as you aren't going ahead (as said by Piglet)
  3. and may be aren't local or very experienced in the work you are asking for.

What ever estimate you need a good extra few £ thousand as contigency so £6k may not be enough if that is really all you have.

Featherbluedot · 27/07/2015 13:48

You will need planning permission which requires scale plans

Featherbluedot · 27/07/2015 13:50

Once work has started building regs will come come round regardless

Featherbluedot · 27/07/2015 13:56

You need to check the deeds of your house to make sure there are no conditions on it that won't allow you to convert the garage to living space.

yomellamoHelly · 28/07/2015 17:18

I'd do a drawing myself clearly showing the work I wanted done and photocopy it so I had a copy to give to each builder. (Is what I did with our kitchen renovation and had no problem getting quotes.)

ThunderboltKid · 28/07/2015 18:11

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firesidechat · 28/07/2015 19:53

We are having a small extension built and managed to get a written quote and a ball park quote without plans. The architect recommended by one of those builders is doing plans as we speak.

firesidechat · 28/07/2015 19:54

Noooooo!

firesidechat · 28/07/2015 19:54

Bloody stupid spam!

OnePlanOnHouzz · 29/07/2015 09:06

Was an interesting read over my morning coffee though ! Wonder if they ever found a builder ?

lighteningirl · 29/07/2015 19:06

Lol just read all that!

Ilovecrapcrafts · 29/07/2015 19:18

We did similar2 years ago- quoted £12k and it came in about £14k.

Surely the cost of plans won't be wasted as you'll use them eventually? It might just take you longer to save/ borrow if it's much more?

DH was able to do our plans and the builder was a family member so can't offer much more
Help I'm afraid

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