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Parents of children at prep schools in Altrincham area

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doremifaso · 04/07/2019 11:11

Hello!

We are thinking of sending our DS to a prep school in Altrincham for next September.
Neither my husband and myself have a background in private, independent education and although we wouldn't struggle to afford the fees, we don't consider ourselves wealthy. We just want the best quality education for our child.
If there's anybody out there whose children are currently in an Independent Primary School, please can you share your honest opinion of what life is like. Are there any snobbiness emanated into the school environment?

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ritzbiscuits · 07/07/2019 17:55

I'm back @doremifaso If you've got a catholic background I'd be right on in looking at your catchment Catholic school. In our part of Trafford you just need to be baptised by application date and in the parish (catchment), only one of the C of E's here ask for several years' church attendance.

And, you'll be a high criteria for St Ambrose school when the time comes. 'Grammar' but easier to get into than Alti Boys.

As another poster said, don't worry about playing the game, somebody told me a while back, it's amazing how many Catholics there are in Altrincham! Grin

Teethlikepins · 08/07/2019 19:13

I know you said Urmston is too far, but my children go to Abbortsford Prep and it's not snobby at all. People travel there from a lot further than Altrincham Smile

purpleeighty · 01/08/2019 14:24

Very useful commentary. We were having this debate too as DS was accepted in both Elmridge and APS. Have considered pros and cons for both. When we went to Elmridge found the teachers and some parents very loud and there was already grouping. Felt a bit left out tbh. At APS haven't come across any snobbish behaviour. Anyone any specific feedback on Elmridge in particular?

bombaychef · 04/08/2019 13:16

When judging Alty primaries don't under estimate the large % of kids that are tutored from year 3/4 and even more at year 5 to pass the entrance exams. It massively inflates their results

Monkeymonstermum · 04/08/2019 20:15

Yes, certainly the tutoring from year 5 I hear...but the prep school parents tutor as well (and I’ve heard that from a tutor who is a teacher at APS)! At least if you’re going state you’ve saved on the school fees..rather than paying twice!

bombaychef · 04/08/2019 23:19

We aren't Trafford but close and know tons who are. I only know one child who got into a Trafford Grammar without significant tutoring for some time. Parents talk about reducing extra curricular stuff to study for 11 plus. Trafford state primaries often get the credit. Broomwood is a good school. Just a different demographic.

ccj83 · 30/06/2020 10:40

I realise this thread is roughly a year old however with the current situation re Covid, I am aware of a number of parents who are looking into changing schools and have been looking online for opinions.

My son has been at APS since Nursery, he is now finishing Year 2 with online learning set by school. We have made the decision to move him to MGS for various reasons (we were offered the place in January 2020 and accepted then so our decision has not been influenced by recent events).

Every school has its merits and also areas where improvements are needed. APS is no different. I think the big difference is that as a private school it has the finances to spend much more money on marketing than your average state school. The new look website boasts it's response to Covid19 - I can safely say that our experience over these last few months have been far from the rosy picture that is painted. Other areas of the website are, in my opinion, exaggerated too.

The headteacher Mr Whittaker, took over from September 2018 and has since made a number of very positive changes that the school sorely needed (eg providing parents with teacher email addresses so that we didn't have to rely on admin staff based at a different site. Introduction of more extra curricular activities run by staff - hence free, rather than outside agencies etc). If anything, the changes are more aligned with the high level of schools in the area, whether state or private.

I would just like to make it clear that APS excels at praising itself. Please take what you see on the website and especially their Covid19 response with a pinch of salt. 'Live' lessons have only been offered to certain year groups (I think it was year 5 and above). I've no idea what they mean by 'daily class live meeting and registration' - maybe it was not offered to Yr 2.

For anyone thinking of sending their son to APS I would advise you ask to see actual work from the boys and ideally compare it to work from a local state school.

If your child is in the younger years (nursery/preschool/reception) - take notice of your child's reading books and how often they get changed/progress.

Also be prepared to know that you may not know what is happening at school, especially your son's academic development because the school reports are vague and the only chance you get to see their work is at a parents meeting which is strictly time limited (10 minutes). My concern was - if your child struggled with anything, you wouldn't find out until the end of the year when all their books/work is sent home - by which time it is too late to address. In summary - fees do not directly correspond to better teaching or academic achievement at APS.

A friend moved her son to MGS last year - so he is currently in year 3. She pointed out that all the boys who required additional support lessons in English and Maths were the APS boys. Perhaps it was a coincidence, perhaps that specific year group were a little weaker, I'm not sure.

Overall, APS is not a bad school but if I'm brutally honest, I'm not sure we got value for money.

DrOrange · 23/01/2021 12:29

Hi,

I don’t know how this popped up in my feed but it caught my interest.

We were in a different situation as were in Didsbury when we had our DS. Faced with realisation that at that time there were limited options for secondary schools in the area and hearing the glowing recommendations about Trafford in general and Sale/Altrincham/Hale/Hale Barns in particular from our friends/work colleagues, we set about looking at schools both in the state and independent sector across Central and South Manchester before settling upon our choice and then looking for a house.

Our priorities were always the pastoral development of our DS’s needs and character first and to a secondary (but not lesser) extent the academic. My spouse and I are both professionals from an ethnic background and academic pursuits were an expectation when growing up. However in our profession we’ve witnessed how this is often for naught if not accompanied by integrity and personal strength of character.

It’s daunting to compare schools moreso when paying fees. Make no mistake about it, from my analysis of the results and friends who go to state schools in Altrincham/Sale the average state school is a cut above those elsewhere. Therefore the independent sector really have to provide something above to justify the fees.

My wife is super sensitive to Queen Bee types having been bullied at school and Uni. But her intuition has never been wrong. So when she rejected St Bedes, I trusted in her choice. She’s not Christian so I was gobsmacked when after shortlisting Lady Barn in Cheadle, she selected St Ambrose Preparatory in Hale Barns as her first choice. As others have pointed out this doesn’t really impact things as he has Jewish, Muslim and atheist classmates without thinking anything of it. Weirdly he seemed to have picked up more about other faiths e.g. such as my wife’s Sikh faith than she is aware of herself. Go figure.

It’s been 2 years now and apart from the odd teething issues, we’ve found it’s been absolutely brilliant. That’s why I thought I’d actually take the time to write this in the hope that it might help someone else.

Academically, there are no reference points. Our DS is on par with his friends to go to Hale Prep/Bowden Prep/Loreto Prep as far as we can tell. What does draw attention is that he seems at least academically a year ahead in comparison to friends who attend state primaries like St Vincent or Woodley. But I hasten to add he’s never felt pressured to do so. Rather there is an expectation that he will use his full capabilities rather than coasting on his laurels. This view has been reinforced from teacher meetings that outlined how they assessed his potential and supported him where he needed help so that he never lagged in any sphere. My takeaway is that the focus isn’t on meeting a minimum standard but on developing potential where it exists.

Now to the dreaded parent groups.

I’ll admit that we did have a lot of trepidation having read everything on MumsNet. Did I mention that my wife is sensitive to the slightest of slights? Over time we’ve gotten to know other parents and widened our social circle a lot. Yes, the cross section is a lot wider than the average school but it’s telling that the children of a premier league football player can happily mix with a landscaper’s without issue. From colleagues who live in Alderley Edge, I understand there’s a tip towards one end of the socio-economic spectrum.

It used to be all boys but now admits girls. It’s not changed anything as far as we can see.

Moving on to the pastoral aspect, we feared that our DS may have traits that could lead to him being ostracised. Nothing clinical mind you. Our concerns were taken seriously and we were reassured by his teachers over time. The small class sizes make for an unusual dynamic in that he’s recognised (and vice versa) by older students when we’re out and about in the nearby villages.

Finally, I have to point out that despite my endorsement it might still not end up being your cup of tea. That happened with one of our DS’ classmates. His parents took him out at the end of term last year as they were dissatisfied with the remote teaching during the pandemic. We understand and still keep in touch as they’re very nice people.

We get the guilt that comes along with being able to send our DS to the independent sector but take solace in that it might free up a space that could be used for someone else. It’s not an easy answer or for everyone, but that we have the choice is something to be thankful for.

I’ll conclude with my final observation, whenever I collect my son, I see the kids in the junior classes running around and having such a good time that their parents almost literally have to drag them away from the school. The opposite being true in the mornings when they’re unleashed within the gate to gambol with their mates.

Since it’s 2021, I’m sure you’ve made a choice and hope everything worked out.

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