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So upset with how this nursery handled things

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Nurserymum34 · 07/11/2023 10:07

Long time poster here, name changed. Sorry in advance for the length that this will be.

My daughter who is 3 has been attending the nursery of a prep school for the last year. This school has two prep schools and a senior school.

I will call them nursery 1 and nursery 2. She has been at nursery 1 since September 2022. She has done brilliantly there, and we love the staff. BUT they have very little outdoor provision and my daughter is a very outdoorsy child. Since the beginning of September, quite a few of the girls that she was friends with left and a lot of 2 year olds joined, which has meant that the preschool year now only has one small room to play/ work in because the other room is often used for sleepers. My daughter was suddenly saying that she doesn’t enjoy nursery much any more because they hardly ever go outside and it’s ‘very boring’.

So we decided to look at the nursery at the ‘sister’ prep school to see if they had better facilities and they have 3 Forrest schools and a lot of space so we thought that this would suit her better.

We took our daughter for a tour of the school / nursery which lasted over 2 hours. The staff seemed very taken with our daughter. She joined in some of the activities and the admissions officer said that as far as they were concerned, she would be welcome to join. We got a letter saying that she’d be a great addition to the nursery etc. They asked us to bring her in the next week to complete paperwork and agree what sessions she was going to do. We were there for quite some time and our daughter was chatting with staff and playing with the other children. The manager of nursery 2 said that she had received all dd’s paperwork from nursery 1 and had spoken at length with the nursery manager there and that they had a good idea of what she was like etc.

We then agreed for her to do a taster morning at nursery 2. This was on the Monday before half term. It seemed to go fine. It was only 2 hours and when I picked my daughter up, the staff said that she’d been fine and had enjoyed forest school. The children were asking her when she was coming back.

The following Friday, dd was doing what we all thought was her last day at nursery 1. Nursery 1 told us that they were sad that we had decided to move her but they understood our reasons which were only due to a lack of outdoor space. The nursery staff said goodbye to dd and talked with her about the fact that she was moving.

The same day, DD’s dad (not me) got an email which he unfortunately did not see. There was no phone call, no offer of a follow up, nothing. The email said

Dear Mr X,

Thank you for your patience whilst we get back to you. Having spoken with our nursery staff after the profile visit we are unable to offer A a place at this time. We feel that a change in setting would not be in A’s best interests due to the disruption this would cause, compared to the familiarity she has with the Nursery 1 setting and staff at Nursery 1.

Best wishes,
Mr Y

This email was sent at 6.30pm on the Friday before half term. The taster day had been on Monday. At the very least, I would have expected a phone call from the nursery manager at nursery 2 if they felt the taster session had not gone well. As it was, the staff at nursery 2 said to me ‘see you after half term’. We had spent a lot of our time on the process, and to get an email like that with no offer of a follow up. There was also no communication from nursery 1 to say that they had decided that dd should stay there.

Unfortunately, the above resulted in me turning up with dd at nursery 2, yesterday with both of us expecting her to start only to be greeted with a frosty reception and feelings of confusion. The nursery manager opened the door to me and said ‘oh, didn’t you get the email?’ I said no. She said I would need to speak to the head and took dd and me to reception. The head of the school arrived at the reception with a face like thunder, did not even look at us and then disappeared into his staff room. Unfortunately, my daughter had even remembered his name and try to say hello to him.

I was sat there for about 10 minutes wondering what the hell was going on. Finally, the head appeared, asked me into his room and asked the staff in the reception to look after dd. The first thing he did was to show me the email on his iPad. I was really confused and shocked tbh. I said that this was all very confusing and I asked why nobody else had contacted me.

He then said that the taster morning had not gone well because dd hadn’t settled and had been a bit anxious. He made it sound like my child had tried to set the place on fire. He wasn’t really able to say anything specific except that ‘the foundation has decided that dd needs to stay at nursery 1’

But here’s the thing, he then said that ‘apparently there are some suggestions that dd may be on the autism spectrum or have additional needs’. Dd doesn’t have a diagnosis and at the moment, she has not needed an IPP or anything. He was the first person to actually say this. The nursery manager 1 had mentioned to me a few quirks, such as dd using very formal speech and very long words for her age. She also sometimes does not like changing her clothes. But she will do it with encouragement. I asked if she should be assessed and nursery manager 1 said ‘no because she’s above expectation developmentally for her age and isn’t behind in any areas’. She basically said that nobody would assess her at this age and we would have to wait until she’s older to see how she pans out. The thing about all this is that nursery manager 2 would have known everything at the meeting we had with her. If this was an issue why sit for an hour and let us waste time booking sessions?

Dd’s dad phoned both schools yesterday to try to find out what on earth has gone on. Nursery 1 manager said that as far as they were concerned, dd was starting at nursery 2 yesterday. She was shocked at how this had been handled but she then said ‘to be honest we didn’t want her to leave.’ And she said they would like to have her back and have a place for her. The head at the other school said that he couldn’t understand why we were moving dd and it wasn’t in her best interests.

I was so upset yesterday, mainly about how we were treated. And also that my daughter was upset because she couldn’t understand what was happening. We had been considering the school for dd from
reception but probably not anymore, if this is how the head treats people.

I now have to decide what to do though? Do I send dd back to nursery 1 or look for a completely different one?

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Nurserymum34 · 07/11/2023 15:06

I think it is likely an ableist thing. Bizarrely, DD's dad was talking to his best friend who wanted his son to go to an independent boarding school for children with dyslexia and the guy who is now the head of this prep school was the deputy at the school for dyslexia at the time and rejected his son supposedly because he's autistic.

For the time being, I don't think dd needs any more disruption of taster days etc so I probably will keep her at nursery 1 until Christmas because at least the staff there have always treated us well and have only ever had positive things to say about our daughter.

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Throwaway1234567890000000 · 17/06/2024 13:42

Ivyy · 07/11/2023 11:13

This! Make a formal complaint op, you've been treated terribly and the head sounds awful. It's like discrimination, I mean really what on earth could have happened during a 2 hour taster session?! If your dd had spent the time there in meltdown and distressed then I'd understand more, but the staff told you she was fine! It's the head that seems to have the problem, is he trying to manage out any ND or potentially ND children? Discrimination if he is. and an official complaint. No way I'd send my child to that nursery or school now.

Maybe take dd back to nursery 1 for now, and start looking for a new nursery with more outdoor facilities and space. With regards to an autism diagnosis, it's not usually possible when they're so young, unless there's more obvious things like with speech and learning, being non verbal etc. My friend works in a nursery and has spoken about this. My own dd had an assessment for autism and adhd when she was 5 and in year 1, we paid privately because of waiting times and my dh had been left some money in his gran's will. It was a lengthy and incredibly thorough assignment, but we came away still not knowing as she was so young. They said it was borderline and to adopt a watch and wait approach until dd was a few years older. They offered us support sessions but at that stage we didn't take anything further.
Fast forward 4 years and with those few years difference dd was diagnosed with autism at 9, it was clear then with age appropriate differences and very clear traits, though dd was very good at masking at school. Adhd we were told was still borderline and that it could be more obvious as she matured and got to secondary school age. She's 13 now and we see much less hyperactivity and impulsive behaviour, which used to be the main traits, but conversely the attention deficit, struggles with focus and organisation

Independent schools are able to refuse children with additional needs by saying they are unable to meet their needs.

They are also able to ask them to leave by saying they are unable to meet their needs.

They are also not obliged to meet an EHCP - again they can just say they are unable to meet the child’s needs.

This can’t be challenged unfortunately but to the original poster, take it from me, you’ve dodged a bullet!

Throwaway1234567890000000 · 17/06/2024 13:43

Nurserymum34 · 07/11/2023 15:06

I think it is likely an ableist thing. Bizarrely, DD's dad was talking to his best friend who wanted his son to go to an independent boarding school for children with dyslexia and the guy who is now the head of this prep school was the deputy at the school for dyslexia at the time and rejected his son supposedly because he's autistic.

For the time being, I don't think dd needs any more disruption of taster days etc so I probably will keep her at nursery 1 until Christmas because at least the staff there have always treated us well and have only ever had positive things to say about our daughter.

There is a prep school near us, and my son has ASD but didn’t have any SEN support etc at the time (didn’t need it, managed fine in mainstream) - we looked at moving his school to there. Mentioned the ASD to the head and he wasn’t even able to have a taster day as they were unable to meet the needs of a child with autism. They were very open and forthcoming about this.

Saschka · 17/06/2024 13:51

Throwaway1234567890000000 · 17/06/2024 13:42

Independent schools are able to refuse children with additional needs by saying they are unable to meet their needs.

They are also able to ask them to leave by saying they are unable to meet their needs.

They are also not obliged to meet an EHCP - again they can just say they are unable to meet the child’s needs.

This can’t be challenged unfortunately but to the original poster, take it from me, you’ve dodged a bullet!

Yes this happened to a friend of mine’s DD - they wanted her aged 4 when they thought she was “just” very bright and hyperlexic, but kicked her out aged 7 when it turned out she had autism. They did it in a very similar way to the OP’s head as well, just called the family in and said she couldn’t come back after half term. My friend ended up having to homeschool her for six months as nowhere local had places.

OP, there will be an absolutely lovely school which will be perfect for your DD - my friend’s DD is in a lovely supportive state grammar now and is doing brilliantly.

pinkdelight · 17/06/2024 16:38

This is from last November. No need to keep reply.

Saschka · 18/06/2024 08:56

pinkdelight · 17/06/2024 16:38

This is from last November. No need to keep reply.

Argh, missed it was a zombie

Onomatofear · 18/06/2024 13:26

@Saschka thanks for your response - this was actually my thread. I find it incredible that some schools have a blanket policy of not taking children with autism , but yes we certainly did dodge a bullet. The head at that school has continued to ruffle feathers with his own staff by changing their work contracts and telling them if they don't like it they know where the door is(!)

Anyway, happily I can tell you that dd went back to her original nursery and has been very happy there for her remaining time and they have helped her prepare for school amazingly and she has become much more social. The staff were really upset about how it was all handled, especially as they are a part of the same school. The nursery manager said it's 'mind blowing'.

We are now trying to decide whether she's going to the (lovely) state school that she has an offer from or another independent school which is happy they can meet her needs and has already shadowed her and knows that I think she has PDA.

I'm replying here because I'm sure other people will have this issue and might want to know how it panned out.

elliejjtiny · 18/06/2024 14:05

Throwaway1234567890000000 · 17/06/2024 13:43

There is a prep school near us, and my son has ASD but didn’t have any SEN support etc at the time (didn’t need it, managed fine in mainstream) - we looked at moving his school to there. Mentioned the ASD to the head and he wasn’t even able to have a taster day as they were unable to meet the needs of a child with autism. They were very open and forthcoming about this.

That's awful and so narrow minded. I have 2 sons with autism. One is very emotionally delayed and needs a lot of support. But the other one needed very little extra help, and wouldn't have needed any if lockdown hadn't happened and he lost all of his support strategies. He has just finished college with a distinction in his extended diploma which is equivalent to 3 A's at a level. We didn't try to get him into private school but a blanket ban on all children with autism is just ridiculous.

Ivyy · 18/06/2024 17:18

Onomatofear · 18/06/2024 13:26

@Saschka thanks for your response - this was actually my thread. I find it incredible that some schools have a blanket policy of not taking children with autism , but yes we certainly did dodge a bullet. The head at that school has continued to ruffle feathers with his own staff by changing their work contracts and telling them if they don't like it they know where the door is(!)

Anyway, happily I can tell you that dd went back to her original nursery and has been very happy there for her remaining time and they have helped her prepare for school amazingly and she has become much more social. The staff were really upset about how it was all handled, especially as they are a part of the same school. The nursery manager said it's 'mind blowing'.

We are now trying to decide whether she's going to the (lovely) state school that she has an offer from or another independent school which is happy they can meet her needs and has already shadowed her and knows that I think she has PDA.

I'm replying here because I'm sure other people will have this issue and might want to know how it panned out.

So happy to hear your dd is doing so well op, sounds like both your options for school are good, especially one that recognises what PDA is, it's so often poorly understood in education. Best of luck with everything and I'm sure your dd will thrive in the right school with the right support

Ivyy · 18/06/2024 17:33

@Throwaway1234567890000000 I'm quite shocked independent schools can be so closed to those with autism and other SEN by the sounds of it. If they really can't meet the needs of an individual child fair enough, but sounds like a blanket rejection at some of these schools mentioned. Mind you if your child had SEN I guess you wouldn't want them to go to a school like that in the first place!

Interesting, as my dn is at an independent school, and although she clearly has autism to us (several family members do), her parents have been v reluctant to have any assessment done, they've mentioned not wanting to put a label on her. I'm now wondering if that has anything to do with her being at an independent school that could then say they can't meet her needs?

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