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Feel a bit humiliated over toilet training (long, sorry)

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rosemarycottage · 23/09/2010 09:13

Hello!

I'm not new here but it's been a long time (about two years) since I've posted and that was under a different name. Anyway, introductions over, time for my question.

My ds, three and a half, has been very slow to toilet train when it comes to his poos. He's great with his weeing, takes himself off to the toilet and the like, dry at night and so on. But despite trying a gentle laissez-faire approach (which worked for weeing), then when that didn't work, followed by lots of rewards for trying (as he hadn't even done one on the toilet at that point) and finally screaming at him like a banshee, he continuously soils his underpants.

To me, this is a developmental thing, he's just later than a lot of other kids, it's not a huge issue at home, and just as he was coming up to nursery he had - finally - started to do one or two poos in the potty, and at least, had started to tell me regularly, immediately he soiled himself.

The nursery said that if a child wasn't fully toilet trained, they'd give them additional support (taking them every half hour), so I asked for this on the home visit. Well, come the first day, I dropped him off, having failed to persuade him to do a poo beforehand, he was fine about saying goodbye, no tears and the like.

But when I got back to pick him up, I was asked to stay behind with one other parent, and it felt very much like "stand in the naughty corner". My ex husband (ds' Dad) had come with me and we both felt the same (he is much less sensitive than me so if he felt like that... y'know?)

The nursery teacher made a big point of telling us that ds had soiled himself "and didn't even seem to care". Well, at home ds really does care, in fact, he's quite upset about it. I told her this, and that he'd done one or two in the toilet recently, and that he needed reminding and taking, and she said "well, one or two in a toilet is hardly toilet trained is it?"

I have to be completely honest. I went home and I told ds off, I really lost it, I screamed at him, about which I feel horribly guilty. I must admit, I'm fed up with this whole toilet training thing; I know ds is just taking a little longer on this one developmental thing and I do totally understand that a child that soils himself is a really difficult thing for a nursery to deal with, but I don't like the way I felt humiliated (the other Mum who was there, whose dd had wet herself, said she felt similarly). As if somehow by doing that I would Buck My Ideas Up and Train Him Immediately (like I haven't been trying that!)

I want to ask a few things. First, is this normal? Do lots of nurseries do this? And (I guess, I hate to say it but...) AIBU to be a bit pissed off about this? (Does MN still have the epic AIBU threads it did a few years ago?) But also, any tips on getting him to poo in the blasted toilet? I mean, pre-nursery, it was slowly starting to happen... (also it's not helped by the fact he's with me afternoons as I work mornings, when he's not with me his with ex-MIL, and some evenings / nights he's at his Dad's too, and I'm not sure this has helped him learning to use the toilet)

And finally, if this continues, and if I do feel that I'm not getting support from the nursery that I need, how easy/difficult is it to change to a different one? I realise a child who isn't completely potty trained is difficult to deal with but I'd hope for a bit more support and a bit less of a telling off!

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Appletrees · 23/09/2010 10:25

Grin at ben10

sorry that's a bit grandmother/egg sucking

good luck mdear, I do hope the nursery becomes more understanding

Aitch · 23/09/2010 10:25

LOVE sparkle12mar. Grin

Cartoose · 23/09/2010 10:27

Sad It's quite normal to still have accidents at 3. My son had accidents at this stage and his nursery were very gentle and supportive (and so they should be!) It should be something the staff are used to, even completely fully toilet trained children still have accidents.

I'd seriously be looking around at other nursery options and would also schedule an appointment with the nursery head to have a word. The way that the teacher pulled you, and the other parent, aside and the kind of wording she was using just isn't on IMO.

Cartoose · 23/09/2010 10:28

probably x-posted all over the place

rosemarycottage · 23/09/2010 10:28

Quite Aitch. :-)

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sparkle12mar08 · 23/09/2010 10:31

For what it's worth my own ds1 has only just this summer, at the age of 4.6, managed to be reliably dry in the day, and was still soiling occsionally at 3.9 - 4yrs. He's still not night dry either. All of which is totally, utterly within the realms of normal childhood development for both genders.

They'll get there when they get there, there's been very little we've done at home that's had any effect whatsoever in taking him forward. The only thing that's worked is time.

rosemarycottage · 23/09/2010 10:32

sparkle12mar08 I think if this continues, I will set up a meeting. And bring ex-MIL with me too! Have no idea if xh would want to come or not (and horrible feeling he would be on the nursery's side if he did) but yeah.

Appletrees, nah, not egg sucking, to be honest I was very reluctant to give bribes at first (y'know, extrinsic rewards etc etc) but when you're desperate..... Wink

Cartoose... she is the nursery head. Which is worrying to say the least.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks I'm not being unreasonable. Now, we'll see what happens the rest of this week, and if this continues, I'll set up a meeting, and if nothing happens, I'll move ds. Sigh.

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rosemarycottage · 23/09/2010 10:33

sparkle12mar08 - quite - time - he will do it in his own time just like he learned to walk, talk and (usually) sleep through the night (and when I say night I mean 8pm-5am) in his own time. :-)

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rosemarycottage · 23/09/2010 10:34

Thanks everyone, have to actually do a bit of work now - will see how it goes at nursery this afternoon at pickup time. You've been really helpful... maybe I should return to MN full time? Wink

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Faaamily · 23/09/2010 10:35

Nursery sounds horrible. To be honest, I wouldn't bother talking it over with them. I'd find another nursery where they don't make this a huge issue. He is 3 not 10. He isn't the first child to not be toilet trained at this age.

And I know (I know) it's hard, but you have to remain calm or this won't get any better (sorry, I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's true). It might feel like this is never going to get better, but it will. You just need to dredge up those last bits of patience and false cheeriness, and start again with a positive attitude tomorrow.

Good luck!

girliefriend · 23/09/2010 10:46

hello sorry haven't read all the theads but I had issues with dd being very unkeen to poo for nearly a year after she was dry, she was dry at 2.4yrs but got herself in a right tizz about pooing and would insisit on only going in a nappy, it got to the point where she was making herslf constipated and it was only sorted out when I spoke to the g.p and I started giving her movocol, in 3 days she was going on the loo! it helped that we put lots of loo roll in the potty or down the toilet before she went (don't ask me why but think its to do with them not liking the sensation of something falling out of them!!!) And also lots of rewards when she did go on the loo. Think the nursery sound unhelpful at best and mean and nasty at worse!!!

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patienceplease · 23/09/2010 10:56

Just a quick reply cos I'm on my phone but I found toilet training the hardest thing to do with my son. Sleeping through the night, weaning, were a doddle compared to toileting! My son refused to use any other toilet than the one at home till he was 3.10, and just wet/ soil himself. At home he was fully trained. We tried everything. Thankfully nursery were great- he was in nappies there till almost 4 and they never made us or him feel bad.
To those who say you need to keep calm- I knew that too, but did lose it several times- you just have to move on. IT is so hard to always keep cool when you have yet another pair of pooey pants or wet carpet.
It was my main worry starting school 2 weeks ago, and we have had one wee accident which sent me into stressy mode that it was starting again but hooray- he used the loo on his own this week twice- it was the best news! So it will pass, and it is normal - ignore all judgemental, unhelpful people- unless your child has found toiletting an issue you have no idea how hard it is.
And if nursey are not more helpful- leave.

lenak · 23/09/2010 11:13

How open are you about pooing with him? May seem like a daft question, but it could be he is embarrassed by it or thinks its dirty.

Get him the Everybody Poos book from Amazon. I've heard great things about this - was going to get it for my DD if we had any issues but we were lucky in that she was poo potty trained before she was wee potty trained.

There should be clues that he is ready to go - smelly trumps? If he does a trump, ask him if he needs a poo - even if he says no ask him to sit on the potty and try.

Try the toilet instead of the pottu and when he is sitting on it try to joke about it - "Are you squeezing your poo out", "See if you can make a massive plop". If he does one look in the toilet / potty and say "Wow that's huge - it looks like a dinosaur poo" and equally daft things like that.

We did these sort of things with DD and she loves pooing on the toilet now - so much so that if she tries to go, but isn't quite ready, she looks really dissapointed and informs us that her "Poo has run out".

Hope this helps.

Aitch · 23/09/2010 11:16

we say 'do a poo face' to dd2 when she is on the loo, it's hilarious. it does make them kinda squeeze in the right way though, screwing up their faces and making a revolting 'uuuuurgh' noise. honestly, we are all obliged to join her, standing there all four of us going uuuuuuuuuuuurgh. Grin

spiritmum · 23/09/2010 11:32

Oooh, yes, there is a reason men disappear to the toilet with a newspaper.

Stack of comics neat toilet v. useful IME.

rosemarycottage · 23/09/2010 20:22

Quick reply as I'm on my phone. Just to say, thank you all for advice, very useful, have done some if those things but not all (love the idea of telling him to see if he can so a big plop!) and am giving the nursery until end of next week, then it's either meet or move (not sure which yet). Thank you again. :)

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 27/09/2010 22:11

rose, just a thought regarding the pooing on pants

the poos - are they very loose stools, lots of skids in the pants, hard to pass the lumps?

he might well be constipated (encorepsis)have a read

good luck

pranma · 08/10/2010 18:21

My dd had this problem with dgs1-she used bribery with a cheap packet of cowboys on horses[tried dinosaurs first but he was scared of them!].He was given either a cowboy or a horse for really trying to poo on toilet and both if he succeeded.eventually he had earned the whole packet and is still very proud of them.The bag was kept in a 'special place' and produced if he said 'need a poo'.He is just 4 and has been clean[including wiping] for about 8 months now though he is still wet at night.

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