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Support and help with Gestational Diabetes?

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Crapweasel · 26/03/2010 19:31

Failed the "Lucozade test" last week, I've now been told that my GTT has also come back high and have therefore been diagnosed with Gestational Diabetes.

Having failed the Lucozade test but passed GTT during my last pregancy I was really hoping to dodge that particular bullet again. Oh well....

Did some searching in the archives and found this fab old thread with lots of support and tips on diet etc. Any current sufferers (or experienced old timers) fancy joining a similar thread for 2010?

I have a diabetic clinic appt on Tues (where I understand I'll get a finger prick testing kit and see a dietician) so I'll report back then.

I'm 29 weeks by the way.

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Ozziegirly · 11/06/2010 10:28

Thanks burmese, see I don't know any of this!

Shame about the dry fruit, I'm sure that's the only thing keeping me regular at the moment....I like all fruit though so no drama switching.

I like all those snacks you suggest so that's good. I don't even like yogurt that much, was just trying to keep my calcium up so no real hassle to drop that either.

Should I just be checking labels of things like bread and cereal and cutting out everything with any sugar? I know I'll be told this next week but it's more just to make a good start this weekend.

So I was thinking; eggs and smoked salmon for brekky, salad and meat wrap for lunch, dinner I was going to make sausage and veg hot pot tomorrow and steak with veg sunday - do they sound ok as I already have those things in the cupboard?

I definitely need to somehow up my exercise as I don't really do any at the moment through pure laziness and the fact that it's dark and cold in the evening!

RubyReins · 11/06/2010 10:48

Yeah SillySow I did notice that my GTT was very different from how others are done! I've been whining about my treatment throughout this thread!

I second all of what Burmese has said with respect to diet. I snack on nuts and eat a lot of hummus wraps for lunch. Loads of pulses and protein, limited pasta and bread and more veg than fruit. That is what I have found the hardest as I am absolutely craving fruit. I am far better on berries than anything else and there's a bit of a glut of the things here at the moment so that's good. It doesn't have to be boring though - last night I had grilled cajun chicken with roasted vegetables and an olive and feta salad with harissa dressing - so I am not feeling too deprived!

I walk a lot too but I have really found that hard of late. I think exercise can be very difficult for some in pregnancy.

Thanks for the vibes Burmese! Unfortunately DH has been working away since Monday and won't be back for another week so he can't help out in the ripening process! In the meantime I'm guzzling the RLT and will start on the aromatherapy stuff next week. Last day at work today too.

Debs75 · 11/06/2010 13:37

Had a cooked brekkie(beans, tomatoes, egg, fried bread) today and although my levels were 5.6 at dinner I didn't have a 'hypo' moment either.
Should I stop my cereal breakfasts and try cooked brekkie?
Or how about trying goats milk instead of cows?

Am getting used to the tablets now so hope they are staring to help.

ChocolateCalculator · 11/06/2010 14:29

Hi ladies, back from my holidays.

Congratulations Burmese on the birth of baby Constance. I've actually been thinking about you while I've been away so glad it went so well.

Been so much going on on this thread it's been hard to keep up! Welcome to those joining (i think I counted two new names). Try to to feel that a GD diagnosis has to be negative, once you get the hang of the diet you will find there are lots of yummy things you can eat, especially at this time of year and Burmese gives excellen advice on diet.

I've been playing around a bit with my diet while I've been away as I noticed my morning readings seemed to have levelled out, I always have the same for breakfast, soya and linseed bread toast and Greek yoghurt with very yummy lizi's granola so it's easy to compare. I've been able to go back to having a sandwich ( on soya and linseed bread) and an apple and have been really enjoying it!

Got my scan on Tuesday and get to find out if the baby has caught up any growth. I'm not feeling hopeful as it hasn't been moving much, which also happened last time.

sillysow · 12/06/2010 08:48

Good Luck for Tuesday ChocolateCalculator - let us know how you get on

loveablebunny · 12/06/2010 11:53

Hello ladies

Can I join you please? I don't have gd, I'm type 2 (controlled by metformin), although admit that my diet has not been as good as it should, until I found out I was pg that is!

I'm only 6+1, so will prob be around here way after everyone else is back to eating cake!

I have my first diabetic antenatal clinic on Tuesday so guess I'll find out more then, though I already know the basics!

ChocolateCalculator · 12/06/2010 13:16

Hi loveablebunny, of course you can join and congratulations on your pregnancy.

It seems to be some kind of rule that all diabetic antenatal clinics are held on a Tuesday! I'm sure knowing the basics will be helpful and you'll probably find that the baby gives you an extra incentive to control your diet.

Let us know how you get on.

onestepforward · 12/06/2010 14:49

Not read whole thread but just saw it as it came up on most active. Thought I'd add my story.

I was diagnosed with GD and really struggled with the diet, monitoring and insulin. Felt very miffed as never dieted in my life as fairly skinny and felt supremely miserable and jealous of my pregnant friends wolfing down muffins etc. This was overseas and my Ob was extremely cautious and nagged me a lot about my scores. I spent most of my pregnancy feeling like a failure and agonising over each and every score, very rarely eating out. Was also given scare stories of having a still birth etc and told my baby would be massive. I also had low fluid and a tiny bump and my baby was just over 5ibs at birth. Turned out I probably didn't had GD but it was gall stones which blocked my pancreas (as had to have them removed when dd was 6 weeks). Apparently though I would still have had to follow the same procedures with diet and insulin anyway.

I would like to say though that I found this really hard to deal with and urge other people not to feel like a failure and that they are letting their baby down, as looking back now I can see that was all a bit mad! Also try not to let it take over your world which is what i did.

ChocolateCalculator · 12/06/2010 16:36

Ladies, have you seen that we have made it on to the discussions of the day list? Surely this is the pinnacle of mumsnetting!!

RubyReins · 12/06/2010 17:31
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aendr · 12/06/2010 18:17

ChocolateCalculator: the antenatal diabetes clinics at my hospital are Fridays.

mathanxiety · 12/06/2010 19:47

I remember mine were Thursdays.

Well Done Burmese! Hope things are well.

Onestepforward -- I felt a bit like that too, but the dietitian was very reassuring about the causes of GD; after all I wasn't doing anything differently from my previous pregnancies but still 'caught' it. They actually did think of gallstones for me, but I had my gallbladder taken out years before.

ChocolateCalculator · 12/06/2010 20:16

And there was me thinking I had stumbled across some rather odd NHS policy!

GoudaGirl · 12/06/2010 21:44

Hi,

I had Gestational diabetes twice, in UK and in Netherlands and have poor experiences in both countries for different (and opposite)reasons- in the UK for over-intervention and the Netherlands for under-intervention.

My advice would be to really control your diet but buy a good book such as the original Low GI diet one (can't remember author but has all the research in and some recipes) and monitor your blood more so you can see exactly what triggers you-and also multiple finger pricks if you get an unexpected result as the instruments can sometimes give odd readings/poor repeatability.

The NHS dietary advice I received was basic and poor- Weetabix was listed as good choice but triggered high blood glucose. Reading the low GI book it was actually specifically mentioned to trigger highs! The nutrionist even asked me if she could borrow the book..
The advice to eat bacon and eggs in one of the messages isnt good if taken to extreme as a way of controlling -you can make yourself ill, you are better looking for a much lower GI carb to have with it at least.

Despite keeping my blood sugar under the target I was given, I was put on insulin in the UK without any real discussion which then triggered a whole catalogue of events - which I blame for the terrible birth I had- the baby got stuck in my pelvis and was born with a paralysed shoulder and I had a haemorrage. It wasnt the insulin per se I had issues with , but the fact that once on insulin it triggered massive intervention w.r.t. giving birth. The obstetrician afterwards said any future children I had would have to be C sections.

The second birth, 4 yrs ago, in Netherlands was preceded by long discussions as to whether I had GD or not- because the lucozade test isn't done here , but a less 'stressful' test which said I didn't have GD. I monitored by blood sugar anyway and lo and behold I did have high blood sugars so I controlled strictly by diet and the medical profession basically let me get on with it. I had no 2 at 42 weeks non induced, naturally after saying
I didn t want a c -section, but had an ostetrician on stand-by, the midwife actually asked me when my son was born 'Do you have GD?' I replied the Obstetrician thinks not but I think I do so they took my word for it and tested the bay- who had very low blood sugar as a consequence- not good either.luckily he was OK after treatment.

Although its a pain to get GD , be greatful of the test . It wasnt perfect either time for me, and very confusing when 2 medical professions totally disagree as to how to define GD! I am a research biochemist working in the food industry, with type 1 and 2 diabetes in the family - so if I find it confusing it must mean something is lacking in general with understanding and 'treatment' of GD.

In summary I felt the best approach would have been very good nutritional advice, good self monitoring, and the slightly more interventionist UK approach of at least the test and awareness of issues but with the NL ability to have a dialogue with medical staff in decision making . Alas I dont think there is a perfect way of dealing with it- as with diabetes everyone responds physically differently,you can only do your best and be at least aware of the issues and consequences.

Not sure this helps but ood luck!

burmesegrumbler · 12/06/2010 22:55

Hey Ozzie,
I also had constipation, try a spoon of golden linseeds soaked overnight in a little water, down it in one or add to breakfast, makesure you drink two glasses of water after taking the linseeds. They are also full of essential fatty acids.

burmesegrumbler · 12/06/2010 23:18

Wow, this thread has gotten busy.

Choc, really hpe all is well with the baby, I know it must be hard not too, but worrying won't help either of you.

Ruby, thinking of you, goodluck with ripening!

Eveyone, I have been able to get straight back into my skinniest jeans, just a week after giving birth. Perhaps all pregnant women would benefit from a healthy gd diet (which I'm afraid does not include atkins style daily fry ups!). Once again it's all about not eating empty calories, everything you eat needs to have a very high nutritional value. Sadly we are under the impression our western diets are healthy when intact they are super heavy on carbs (pasta, bread, sugar) - cheap empty calories.
Even though my consultant thinks my gd diagnosis at 36 weeks was wrong, I'm glad I made even more of an effort to live and eat healthily during the last six weeks of my pregnancy, I felt so strong during labour and have recovered quickly and met some very wise women on this thread, so all thoroughly worthwhile!

burmesegrumbler · 12/06/2010 23:23

Once again sorry for typos, using iPod while giving connie her last feed of the night.

mathanxiety · 12/06/2010 23:38

I heard that kiwis can help with ripening, as well as pineapple.

Wonder if the faintness and shakiness some have been experiencing could be anaemia?

aendr · 13/06/2010 09:28

goudagirl: thank you for your post. So far, I've found it possible to have conversations with the medics, but I think that's partly because I'm controlling it well with diet (therefore they aren't immediately trying to intervene) and because I'm a research scientist, highly qualified in my own field and approaching them at quite a high level with regards my questions. That background just isn't going to be there for that many women, so really the support needs to be improved in general.

I agree totally about the basic NHS nutritional advice, it seems very limited and dated, especially the handouts given to me before I could see a dietician. The dietician I finally saw effectively said "you're doing okay now, so ... well, see what your body responds to", which wouldn't really have helped if I was worse and therefore didn't have the time to experiment with recording what I eat and how much and measuring my response before they started metformin/insulin. As it is, I'm not making too many radical changes to my diet at the moment but getting a good idea of which meal choices and food combinations give me really good readings which will give me a lot more leeway for later when my placenta is bigger and therefore my responses worse.

I've been recommended a "Collins book" - some hunting suggests it's the "Gem How to Succeed using the GI diet" and as it's only a couple of quid from Amazon, I've ordered a copy. Even if it's only a much longer list of the GIs of foods, it will help. It's all very well being given an NHS list of low/med/high GI foods but with only about 40 food items in the list it doesn't allow for a varied diet and similar sounding items having very different GIs, it doesn't really give you much to go on.

ChocolateCalculator · 13/06/2010 13:25

I completely agree with the advice that the best way to manage GD is to test lots and try to gain a proper understanding of how different foods affect you. The NHS advice was also way off the mark in my book, and seemed to be basically if you can cut down on foods high in refined sugar then that's pretty much all we can expect from you and insulin is inevitable so why try explaining any more than that. I wonder if it doesn't help that GD isn't static and therefore what works at one point doesn't later on.

I will have a lookout for the Collins low GI book, as I completely agree that's the way to go (along with measuring and understanding portion sizes). I'm also feeling fairly positive about the GD at the moment, it's not feeling too restrictive and I do feel fortunate to have had the warning for later on in life. My mum suffers terrible complications of diabetes, brought on by not managing her sugars properly (being obese and a heavy smoker also aren't helping I suspect!). I do not want that to be me in the future, so I'm hoping to use this pregnancy to make sustainable long term changes to my diet, as I have always loved sugary foods, although I make sure I burn them off again. I'm wondering if today's positivity is linked with being 28 weeks today and therefore officially in the third trimester with the end in sight.

Congratulations on the jeans Burmese! I think that a positive GTT should be accompanied by pictures of GD women back in their jeans to soften the blow of all the other stuff they throw at you. First time round I was back in them when I left the hospital at 5 days and probably could have been sooner (ouch on the stiches though!). This time round I am still in them, albeit worn a bit lower than usual.

RubyReins · 13/06/2010 13:52

Afternoon ladies.

Well my levels have shot up over the last two days They're really high (e.g. 8 before bed) and I am doing nothing differently at all. I'm now 38 + 1 weeks and I'm sure I've read somewhere that tolerance to glucose becomes more impaired over time so levels will go up. Anyone heard something to that effect? I fully expect to be posting my induction date tomorrow after my weekly appointment (in Edinburgh the diabetes clinic is a Monday!). I doubt they'll "let" me go to 40 weeks now.

My dietician is lovely but I do agree with your opinions on the advice as a whole. She told me to eat cous cous as it's a grain . It's essentially pasta! Anyway, ate some and levels went to 10! They don't seem too knowledgeable really...

Better get on with the enforced nesting - DH is away for a fortnight and my mum is descending today to "help" out for a week and the state of the house is far from her standard! Lucky me.

Thanks for the ripening vibes Burmese and well done on the jeans front!

mathanxiety · 13/06/2010 16:42

A GI site here with a few recipes and links.

You can search a database of different brands on this site.

CantSleepWontSleep · 13/06/2010 18:46

Hello ladies. Just spotted this thread and noticed that Crapweasel refers to my old gd support thread in her OP .

I've been suffering with GD again since 12 weeks in this pregnancy, but have made it to almost 38 weeks so far on diet alone (did diet alone from 17 weeks last time), and have my hopefully final appointment at joint diabetic/obstetric clinic tomorrow. No doubt the issue of induction will come up, but I am planning to decline the 'option' this time. Last time I agreed to go in at term + 5, but ds just wasn't ready to come out, and it took til term + 9 for him to be born. This time I want the excitement of waiting to go into labour naturally, so I will be wanting to hold off until term + 11 or 12 before I will consider being induced again. Fingers crossed that the consultant accepts my decision without a fight, and agrees to additional monitoring instead if he is concerned about waiting that long.

Ruby - you are just a few days ahead of me, and yes, I am finding my results a little harder to control at the moment. Some of that is probably down to me being a bit more lax about what I'm eating at this point, but yesterday I had a shocking (for me) 8.9 after breakfast, when I really hadn't had anything out of the ordinary.

Funny that you say that your dh is away for a fortnight. Mine is going away for 3 days this week and the whole of the working week the week after, returning just 4 days before my due date. I am thus hoping not to go into spontaneous labour early!

Debs75 · 13/06/2010 18:52

TI think I am used to the metformin now. My levels have gone down, but only about 1.5 on average. My dinnertime reading is lowest but thankfully the 'hypo's' have tailed off. Am getting a bit fed up of salads at dinner but am bulking them out with more protein so am not starving 1 hour after.

Have noticed some things I definitely can't eat such as, orange juice, jacket potatoes, bread. They all send my levels really high. Water is a bit grim when I have it all the time. Do however like Blue Keld flavoured water but is that ok? It has aspartame in it?

Back at Clinic on Tuesday and having a growth scan.

Is anyone else having trouble getting the sensor strips? The diabetes nurse put down 5x50 for a repeat and the drs only gave me 1 box of 50 and I can't put the repeat in for another 3 weeks. 50 only lasts me 6 days if I test before and after meals

Burmese When I had DC3 I had my jeans on 2 days later. OK they weren't skinny but they fit better then they ever had and I needed a new hole on my belt. My stomach actually went in as well.
How have things been this last week? Are you still testing and how did Baby Connie test after birth?

mathanxiety · 13/06/2010 19:22

Orange juice was the first thing my dietitian put on the 'banned' list.

I don't remember testing before meals, just after.