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Potty training

Support thread for 'late' potty-trainers and/or gentle/slow training?

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badchat · 03/08/2013 21:02

DD has just turned 3. We've had a potty for a year. I've been reading potty books, talking about using potty/toilet etc. for months and months, and watching and waiting for signs of readiness. So far nothing. She shows no awareness of doing a wee or a poo, or of needing to. She has been uninterested in, or hostile to, the potty and knickers up until recently, and she doesn't seem to mind having a dirty nappy at all. Also, up until quite recently she would sometimes wake with a poo in her nappy.

She is meant to be starting at a nursery/pre-school in mid-September, which will require her to wear knickers, although if she is not potty trained they say they will work with me to try and help.

So, for the past few weeks I've been getting her used to sitting on the potty, e.g. regular reading on the potty after breakfast. For the past week stepped it up to wearing knickers or nothing for a few hours a day as well (she asks for nappies quite quickly and I encourage her to stay with knickers but if she gets upset I don't want a power struggle over it so I go back to nappies).

So far, nothing in the potty, just a few wees on the floor. She says she doesn't know when she is about to go.

I am trying to stay positive - we have moved on at least from refusing potty/knickers to giving them a go. But I am finding it really difficult - I am worried about her going to nursery and having a horrible time being worried about it, or being teased. My sister is very disapproving and seems to think that it is my fault she isn't potty trained yet. I have mentioned it to a few friends and they have responded with slight shock, and e.g. "oh, x was dry before she was 2"... I don't know a single other person in RL who is struggling or has struggled with potty training - everyone seems to tell me that their kid wanted to train, or responded quickly to adult-led training.

Anyway, sorry this is so epic. Just hoping some of you out there are in same kind of position and will come and huddle here for support!

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dairymilk27 · 04/09/2013 17:43

PS - MILs are a pain in the backside. Mine is the same claims hubby was done at 1.... I mean come on!!!

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Ivytheterrible · 04/09/2013 21:22

Thanks dairy you have given me hope! DD2 is due in 8 weeks and I'm torn between pushing it a bit more now so I don't have 2 in nappies or waiting until things have settled down when the newborn arrives - but that could be a long time!

I think I'm going to try for maybe just 4 days when she is at home in Sept and if no joy drop it until next year.

How come everyone else's children have got it so fast or taught themselves? Confused

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Rhubarbgarden · 05/09/2013 13:53

We didn't give up in the end. Dh saw I was losing my marbles over it and worked from home yesterday to give me a break. Then today, day nine, BREAKTHROUGH. Unprompted, spontaneous wee on the potty. Can't describe how relieved I am.

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Papyrus02 · 09/09/2013 14:24

Glad I've seen this thread. My DD is 3 and nearly 5 months and we have numerous tries at potty training. At 1st she clearly wasn't ready. In recent months she just wasn't interested and refused to even contemplate toilets or pottys.

Yesterday, late afternoon, she decided she wanted too wear knickers like a big girl. Two wees in potty, her saying she needed to use it. Great, she's getting it! Or so I thought. Today all wees and a poo in knickers. No interest in her potty. Aggghh. Might need to wait a while longer. She wees such a lot. And this is girl who doesn't drink much. I have to remind her to drink.

My MIL says DH was out of nappies before he was a year and dry in the night a couple of months later. I always reply by saying he must have peaked early and it's all been down hill since then. She hates that.

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Fishandjam · 10/09/2013 12:52

Just checking in here - we're still hit and miss but I've bitten the bullet and said no more nappies in the daytime, at all. Not even pullups. I am checking the warranty on the washing machine even as I type....

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BranchingOut · 10/09/2013 13:15

Coming on as a bit desperate about my lovely boy, who has just had his 4th birthday...

In summary:

Not really interested in being a 'big boy'.
Likes chocolate, but not really motivated by it.
Can hold his wee for nearly a day :(
Has been in pants for nearly a year
avoids drinking too much
Never poos in the potty - just in morning nappy, then in pants at night.

Some moderate success with leaving him to go 'by himself' over the last few days, but still only one wee per day. No progress on poos whatsoever. Some days he does not visit the potty at all!

All help appreciated. Feeling a bit blue about it.

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Zipideedooda · 11/09/2013 21:04

Hi new to Mumsnet joined to get some advice on this issue.

Have just checked and we've been potty training my ds 3.2 for 9 weeks (small sob) he pooed in potty on day 2 ( he was not impressed) and has only gone in pants ever since.

The first few weeks he did really well with wee in potty and was dry in the night in the first week. great.

Then he had chicken pox about 4 weeks in and after that things deteriorated now he doesn't stay dry for more than an hour or so and he doesn't seem to notice or care. He's so stubborn he resists most suggestions of trying for a wee. I can't even begin about pooing..

I got so fed up a couple of weeks ago I bought some pull ups to give us both a break. When nursery saw he had them on they more or less blamed them and therefore me for the accidents aargh.

Not sure whether to take a break or troop on??? Sad

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tinypumpkin · 11/09/2013 21:10

Glad to be in good company. Dd is 4 in October and just will not potty train. I truly have tried everything. It is a control issue and I can't get past that. I have called in the HV and on advice, we are not talking about it for a month. Will be trying the pants under nappy after that on their advice and also that of ERIC.

Feeling like an utterly crap Mum. I am sure others think that I cannot be bothered but I just am at my wits end with it all. I would love to know the magic answer as I would do it if I could!

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tinypumpkin · 11/09/2013 21:34

Ironically DD3 is doing wees on the potty and is not two yet (next week). Not consistently and I am not pushing it but even this has no effect on DD2. I thought that might do it, no chance. She is a stubborn madam :)

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BranchingOut · 12/09/2013 11:41

Tiny pumpkin, please keep posting as our two are the same age and it might help to share ideas.

In our case, i managed to get him into pants, by 'running out' of nappies - I would then mysteriously find just one nappy each evening for night time.

We have had some progress with wee, but none whatsoever with poo.

I am just about to move all changing stuff into the bathroom, in the hope that moving the locus of everything poo related nearer the actual toilet will help in some way. It did occur to me that we have been expecting a change, but not changed the way that we were handling it ourselves eg we are still changing him on a mat.

Does anyone change standing up for poos? How do you wipe them? Has it helped at all?

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Fishandjam · 12/09/2013 13:11

tiny, you are not a crap mum! If your DD isn't interested then I suspect nothing in the world is going to force her to do it. She'll do it when she's good and ready and not a nanosecond before.

I'd be interested to know if all the children discussed on this thread are like my DS: stubborn, uncompliant, marching to the beat of his own drum. Getting him to do anything he doesn't fancy doing has always been a major struggle (getting him dressed, changing his nappy, bathing him, you name it).

I have some progress to report - he spent all day in pants yesterday (twas a nursery day) and he had no accidents at all! And this morning his nappy was virtually dry and he did a gigantic wee on the potty just after getting up. Usually his morning nappy is like a cannonball so that's encouraging. Though I am ready for the two steps back that we usually take with him on stuff like this Smile.

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Fishandjam · 12/09/2013 13:13

branching, I started changing DS standing up as it was killing my back to either lift him onto the change table, or mess about on the floor. I get him to bend over and touch his toes - this presents his posterior in a perfect position for wipeage! (ooh, that was a lot of Ps there, sorry...)

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tinypumpkin · 12/09/2013 14:16

Thanks ladies, it is so hard not to take it to heart! I have tried it all. and yes, DD is like your DS, stubborn. We have started swimming and the stubborness is the same, she will not kick her legs for the teachers. No bribes or encouragement can make her do it. I saw the link with potty training, both are control issues for her and she is stubborn. I am stubborn but have met my match! DD2 is a truly a lovely girl, just knows her own mind!

Yay on the progress Fish, that sounds fab.

Branching, we also moved all the changing stuff into the bathroom. It hadn't occurred to me until ERIC pointed it out. I don't chuck the poo down the loo but need to start doing that. Ironic since she used to be in resuables when younger. I think that is something we need to do too.

Roll on October when the potty training resumes; pants under nappy and lots of praise when on the toilet (if I can get her there).

Good luck ladies and thanks for making me feel a bit better about myself. Was feeling down about it yesterday as the only child at swimming who won't do anything the teachers say and also to be in nappies. Made me feel rubbish on both counts.

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Fishandjam · 12/09/2013 14:48

tiny, I haven't bothered booking DS in for swimming lessons for that very reason Grin

I look at it this way; DS may drive me nuts at the moment, but when he's at school later in life, I suspect he will not easily be led astray. I can envisage a scenario where he's behind the bike sheds with some mates (or whatever passes for bike sheds these days) and one of them says "here, try this" and DS will say "Nah. What for?" and walk away.

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BranchingOut · 12/09/2013 15:33

Mine hasn't been a fan of swimming either! What a funny set of coincidences, that they all have been resistant to swimming.... I wonder if it is something sensory, as he has always been a bit resistant to new physical experiences: climbing, going down slides, scooting. He now enjoys doing those things, but it has taken him a looooong time to get on board with them...

He can be quite stubborn, but on all sorts of things he can also be persuaded as long as you find the thing which works for him.

However, we have yet to discover what that is in the field of potty training!

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tinypumpkin · 12/09/2013 20:10

Tis very interesting indeed! I too am trying to find that thing, no bribery on any scale has worked so far........

Fingers crossed they decide that potty training is the way forward soon!

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Rhubarbgarden · 12/09/2013 20:58

Just to say hear hear re stubbornness - dd has always been most uncompliant and it takes a lot to get her to do something she's not keen on. I think the potty thing turned into a power struggle after a while; she knew I really wanted her to do it and so she had one over on me.

She's really cracked it now though. We still have the odd accident when she refuses to use the loo, but so far she's been willingly back on board straight after each slip up.

Things that finally worked for us were the nappy fairy with all the presents to unwrap, a massive and very visible jar of sweeties for each wee/poo on the potty or loo, and a star chart with the rewards of a treat for each completed row (ice cream or cbeebies magazine) and a big special treat of a trip to the zoo when the star chart is completely full. She only gets stars when she goes to the potty voluntarily without being prompted. The zoo has really sealed the deal - it turned out to be that 'thing' that really motivated her. It took a lot of searching to find that 'thing' though!

I have to say I'm pretty sceptical about this 'wait till they are ready and they'll just do it' attitude that people trot out. I think dd would have been quite happy to go to school if not university in nappies; peer pressure has no impact on her whatsoever - she'll be another one walking away from the bike sheds with a shrug, hopefully!

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BranchingOut · 12/09/2013 21:03

yes, I have just come off a thread about potty training and nurseries, where a number of posters said things like 'oh, don't worry, my nursery had it cracked for me in a couple of weeks as the peer pressure really helps' Grin Hmm

My lovely boy has a sophisticated theoretical understanding of the whole process - but for months and months you could tell that he thought it only applied to other people, not him. Grin

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tinypumpkin · 12/09/2013 21:14

Branching, our children sound very similar. DD gets it, she just doesn't want to do it!

Thanks Rhubarb, you are giving me hope. Sounds like your DD is doing fab :)

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Rhubarbgarden · 12/09/2013 22:35

Smile Glad I've given you hope. I spent a looong time despairing before this breakthrough.

We now have the unexpected side effect of ds, 15 months, regularly going to sit on the potty (fully clothed), visibly concentrating, looking into the potty afterwards and then pointing at the sweetie jar and shouting insistently! Confused

Maybe I should just bung him in pull-ups and see what happens...

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Fishandjam · 12/09/2013 22:40

tiny and branching, you don't think there's been some covert genetic experiment going on, do you? Because our kids sound like clones of each other!

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tinypumpkin · 12/09/2013 22:46

Oh I do Fish, something odd has been happening I think. I think they have created some sort of masterplan to fox their parents. I wish I could find those responsible. I would make them watch The Tweenies on 24 hour repeat for at least a week.

Rhubarb, you made me laugh about the sweets. DD3 is almost two (this sun) and is really good at doing wees on the potty. She is very insistent about the chocolate reward too.

I am going to try the pennies jar for DD3 when we restart this as she is quite money orientated. Thanks for the reminder. Having it out to see is important as you say. Sweets didn't do it for her it but coins just might!

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tinypumpkin · 12/09/2013 22:47

Balls, the jar is for DD2. Clearly it is time to stop marking and go to bed! Goodnight ladies, thanks so much for making me feel better about this. We will get there.....

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tinypumpkin · 17/09/2013 21:12

Popping in to see if any news. We are just waiting for the not talking about it stage to pass .....

On the upside, DD3 did three wees in the potty (plus one on the booster seat and a poo on my carpet). An eventful day! No impact on DD2 though other than upset at the lack of choc reward for weeing/pooing.

Swimming tomorrow. We will see if the stubbornness continues as I have upped the bribery majorly with a Nannie sleepover. Bloody hope it works.

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Fishandjam · 17/09/2013 22:21

Hi tiny! Hang in there, you'll be back into potty mode with DD2 before you know it.

We're making progress; DS is regularly weeing on the potty with only the odd accident (usually when he's engrossed in something), and he's largely dry at night. Poo, however, is still a vale of stinky tears. I know it often takes longer to get that sorted out but it does make me grind my teeth, when DS craps his keks within minutes of me asking him if he needs a dump! My cheery "oh whoops, let's get you cleaned up" is beginning to sound very forced...

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