Graduated Elderberries

[HazleNutt]

It's time to move to Post-Natal clubs.

Zombies I actually posted about one some time ago, this: www.amazon.co.uk/Pranar%C3%B4m-Nature-Prana-Mixture-Diffuser/dp/B009UU5XKI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1392115561&sr=8-6&keywords=prana+bb
But I need more moisture in the room as well. ordered a humidifier that also has a compartment for essential oils, let's see.

I'd like V to have 9-10PM bedtime, as I would actually get to see him a bit more. But he goes to bed between 7-8, without fail and nothing keeps him up later. Well, at least then we can put him to bed and he's asleep in a minute without any complaints.

hazle self settling! I believe you have achieved the holy grail.

hm yes if he would only stay asleep for a few hours then as well..

M is the same, goes down awake at 7pm and falls asleep within a minute or two. Have tried making it later so DP can see him after work but literally cannot keep him awake, then he gets over tired and won't sleep all night as he's beyond exhausted, so 7pm it is...

I wish I had to struggle to keep S awake!

How are you finding those oils for his sleep hazle? Any noticeable effect?

Been trying tummy time with S this morning, makes me laugh as she can't really do it yet despite her strong neck. It's really cute though, watching how bad she is at it! What she is great at is smiling, it makes DH's day when she welcomes him home with big smiles even if tears usually start soon after

I'm def not going to try and stop her sleeping during the day, I'm not mad It was more knowing how much I should be trying to encourage her to sleep iyswim.

alex hard to say, he was sleeping better but that could be because of his own room. Well, it smells nice at least.

Alex if you look on that chart I posted yesterday it says at 3 months the average baby (if there is such a thing) sleeps 10 hours at night, so unless S is an above-average sleeper by bringing bedtime any earlier than 8pm you might be setting yourself up for a pre-6am daily start? It also says BF babies sleep less than their FF couterparts so it might be even earlier. But like Janey and Hazle say, your baby will signal to let you know when they are ready to go to bed for the night and even if this is at at time earlier than you would like you have little choice but to go along with it if you don't want to put up with a grumpy overtired baby.

Based on that chart, E is a below average sleeper when she does actually sleep as she sleeps around 10.5 hours at night and 3 hours in the day. She goes to bed (through her choice) at around 8pm but when she was S's age she went to bed for the night at around 10pm. I also find that she self-regulates her sleep requirements so if she sleeps longer than average at night which doesn't happen often enough she will naturally take shorter naps the next day.

We had a bit of a mixed night here. E went to bed at 8.30, woke at 10.30 but settled straight off again, but then woke up at 11.15 and would not settle no matter what I tried, so I turfed DH out to the spare room to get some sleep and was expecting another terrible night. I lay her on the bed next to me and much to my surprise she nodded off quite quickly and slept there until 7.45 with one brief wake up to feed at 3.30. I should have tried to put her back in her own room after the 3.30 feed but I was so tired after the previous night I just couldn't be bothered to move. I really don't want to make a habit of her sleeping in our bed but to be quite honest at the moment I will do whatever it takes to get some sleep.

I was looking at that yesterday and S is under for night sleep although I'm not sure when they count night sleep from and to. The problem is she doesn't signal when her bedtime is, even at 10/11 it's me settling her to sleep. Starting with an earlier bedtime risks her waking earlier, that's what I'm worried about, but I can see the sense in suffering a worse night now in order for a better sleep through later when she's M's age. Tricky!

Oh and I don't blame you for taking E in with you for one night, sometimes you just have to do what it takes for a decent night! The challenge is not doing it every night I guess - shame they cosleep so much better!

oh for duck's sake. - a dinosaur bit older male colleague was just sitting in my office telling me how terrible it is that I'm missing my baby growing up. Do some people have no filter between their thoughts and if and when it is appropriate to express them? Was told firmly that my baby is happpy at home with his parent and this way works best for our family.

Hazle ?? on your behalf. Perhaps your colleague is willing to pay for your food, bills and mortgage until V goes to school?!

Oh Hazle Would he be saying the same to your DH if he was the one at work and you were at home with the baby? I suspect not what an arsehole. And presumably he himself took a 20 year sabbatical to watch his own children grow up?

Alex I guess we've been lucky in that E displays really obvious tired signs and gets grumpy as hell so we know when to put her to bed, but if S isn't showing any maybe you can just try putting her down after an age-appropriate period of being awake and see if she sleeps? I seem to remember at S's age E would manage about 1.5 - 1.75 hours before needing to nap again, which was longer than most baby sleep 'experts' recommended for her age. This page has some suggestions of awake times to try but your own experimentation with it will probably serve you better.

Place marking as I fell off again. Hope to be here permanently soonish

Not long now, Merk?

5 weeks

For you hazle
I've picked up the following from a friend for situations like this : "I think a professional mother sets a great example- I'd rather my child grew up seeing a capable working mother than become a dinosaur like you"

Should have been than become a dinosaur like you

Sarcasm fail

Ah I'm used to all kinds of dinosaurs in this industry. He is Swiss as well, so double-dinosaur. Still, even if you think working mums are evil/SAHMs are lazy etc, I would not actually go and tell them that. What would it achieve? "Oh, you think so? Ok, I'll quit the job then!".

That is outrageous!! Think my mil suffers from the same lack of thought-mouth control!! This last weekend she decided to tell me she hates the outfit my mum bought for L's christening which is hand embroided and cost over £200!!! What has she achieved by telling me that?! I just said well I love it and she will be wearing it so don't bother getting anything else!!
I swear I used to love this woman before I fell pg but nowadays I can barely think of being near her

Took W to have jabs this morning, and this pm she has gone from being grumpy to horribly distraught. It's really distressing, I've never seen her cry like this, proper body-wracking sobs and seems to be in quite a bit of pain. I've given her paracetamol (which the doctor prescribed, maybe I should have given it earlier but he wasn't clear) and now she has dropped off but I am in ruins. A, if this is the kind of in-pain crying you have described with S I have no idea how you coped with it.

Lol and Hazle - WTF is wrong with people?

Merk you are 35 weeks? How did that happen?

Quod if it's any consolation L was in a bad way after first jabs and so was I tbh. I still cry when I remember how distressed she was. She was however a lot better in the next two and didn't cry half as much. I think it's the shock of feeling such pain for the first time that affects them (and us!)
Hopefully she will sleep well tonight and be back to normal tomorrow.
Merk I'm expecting you thunder and boom to arrive soon!!!

lol is your MIL jealous of your mum? Trying to mark territory? As that's a mean and totally unnecessary thing to say about the outfit!

quod it was hellish at times, I can't lie! Things are so much better now generally. The worst bit is worrying about them suffering isn't it. That's exactly what her crying sessions were like basically torture for both of us The one good thing about vaccs though is they sometimes sleep through afterwards, S did.

Oh quod hope she's feeling better, poor W

Merk - five weeks?! How?!! How bloody exciting!! New baby berry on the horizon

Can I ask a yawn-off question? Can anyone recommend a travel cot? M's carrycot has lasted bloody well but I think it's time to get a proper one....