im so anxious about threats to cut ctc...

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god i feel so depressed about the threatened cut to ctc, i have been following the news religiously about this new emergency budget, and have just read an updat which was posted tonigha 22.10 which states that incomes £30.000 or over will not be entitled to ctc

im so pissed off with this and feel so anxious

daysoftheweek - I think your suggestion re. pay in relation to area is sound. I work for a company that pays 'London Weighting', depending on your distance from London you recieve a supplement to your basic wage.

Those that live up north, for example, recieve nothing, I live about an hour from London and recieve less than those who actually live in London.

I think its a good idea

Hornofplenty, oh bugger it is worse than I thought then. I think that person you described at the end of your post is me.
Assure me, it was just a debate, right?

days an awful lot of PS workers in London get London weighting.

I have got really fed up on this thread and all others on the subject of cuts of this constant quoting that the public sector needs to "feel the pain like the private sector". What nobody seems to understand (or want to know) is that the cuts in the civil service started back in 2006 while the private sector was still riding high.

Just one example is that the tax office has reduced staff by over 25% since 2006 (26808 jobs- HMRC Annual Report 2009). Instead of looking at which tasks can be discontinued and which jobs they can afford to lose they just cut across the board. So you end up with the situation where you don't have enough staff to do the work.

They closed 130 offices in January, with hardly a murmur from Joe Public. Everyone says great, lets get rid of the pen-pushers.. then in the next breath my tax code is wrong/ I can't get through to anyone on the phone etc etc. I wonder why? Because the staff who were doing that job have all been made redundant.

It can only get worse. The jobs they are cutting are not "back room" made-up jobs but things that are done for the public. For you. Which will no longer be done.

lego It is me, I am lucky my husband earns more than me but we have elderly parents/ grandparents to care for which swallows up a fair chuck of money.

It is a debate but people are gunning for the public sector, I think making harsh cuts would be popular. I don't get why people are so full of hate towards those who have chosen to be public servants in the true sense of the word.

lego It is me, I am lucky my husband earns more than me but we have elderly parents/ grandparents to care for which swallows up a fair chuck of money.

It is a debate but people are gunning for the public sector, I think making harsh cuts would be popular. I don't get why people are so full of hate towards those who have chosen to be public servants in the true sense of the word.

hornofplenty, I am sorry about your plans not going to plan.
I don't get it either, which led to my earlier post of being about, maybe 'envy'? Or is it because we are a predominantly female workforce?

There is no point being sorry, as I said earlier we all have to live within the limits of our income. If the above cuts happen then we have to limit our family.

I don't think it is envy, if people were envious they could train as doctors, nurses etc. I think the right wing press has been printing front page lies deliberately and then retracting them a few days later in a tiny box on page 32. I don't know why.

elvis P= public or private?!

I think my point is london weighting in no way makes up the difference house prices are the classic example you would really struggle to get 3 bed for 500k round here (I'm talking flat of course) whereas 500k would buy you a 5 bed house in a lot of places you've seen it on here some saying they manage a house 3 kids car holiday on 17k that wouldn't rent you a 2 bed place here

it's a whipped up media frenzy i think horn/lego

I find the seemingly easy swallowing of the drive to shrink the role of the state by disinvetsing from the public sector bizarre.

Who exactly do people mean when they say the public sector is bloated and overpaid? Teachers? Nurses? Bin-men? Social workers? The police? Firefighters? Most people emplyed in teh public sector aren't highly paid or highly pensioned. They might have a guaranteed pension but wasn't that partly the promise that offset the low pay?

I heard Theresa May justifying the potential cuts to tax creidts by saying that workers should put greater pressure on employers to pay more which is laughable in relation to the public sector.

I'd love to be paid more and have lobbied for it (on all kinds of grounds including having professional qualifications, that I'm paid less than colleagues in a similar role etc etc) but I always get the same refrain from them - no payrises in the current climate.

Working in London (and for a national organisation) means that I did get a London weighting but it doesn't represent the additional costs of living here. I'd move but my work wouldn't be possible.

yes maybe the press, and envy! It just gets to you though. This weekend I was working through my 57th hour of doing work in that week, beginning to resent it for possible cuts, freezes for years etc. Yes, daysoftheweek, just making it even more impossible to buy my own home or even move into a rented property that will have enough bedrooms in a few years time.

I had a huge sulk this weekend and simply refused to do any work - so I am having to work late to make up for it tonight.

My husband logged my hours the week before last, apparantly I did 85.

horn

"we all have to live within the limits of our income - If the above cuts happen then we have to limit our family"

I have read this whole thread and I think its heartbreaking if you really think you can't afford another child, if thats what you really want.

Surely there are lots of ways to live frugally and still bring up a happy healthy family. Would number 2 really leave you on the breadline?

haha, you beat me then; I only did 65 hours work last week in total. Funny thing is, despite that 65 hour working week in the public sector, meeting all my targets etc, I didn't get a bonus . Shame really because that's not bad value for money.

Yes it would, as I said we have elderly parents and grandparents to look after. I have been blessed with a clever child, I have also worked hard and been successful in my career, as had my husband so we will recieve no help with university fees.

I am not getting into the heartbreak there is no point.

We do live quite frugally, second hand clothes, camping holidays, all home made food, wear extra jumpers rather than put heating on etc.

I don't usually do 85, it was a mad week in a mad month - hence DH logging my hours!

I don't want a bonus, I don't want a payrise I just want to no longer be demonised. Ironically I used to work in the city - so I have been a shit for all my adult life.

do you really mean then that you wouldn't be able to afford to send two of them to university? I worry about that with my two - but dont regret my financial oversight for a second!

At present, paying for care for elderly relatives, endless trips back and forwards etc we cannot afford a child at the moment with the associated childcare costs. We also could not afford for me to stay at home.

ok ... i hope things change then at some point for you and you feel that you can go for it .. as it sounds like you haven't ruled it out

I just found number 2 a lot cheaper ... my desire for a second child overuled any worries I had about money, and I don't deem that irresponsible

and just to bring it back round I do get tax credits ... for the now

It is ruled out tbh. My husband and I have been tentatively ruling it out for a few years, these cuts just hammer the last nail into the coffin.

But there is no point moaning or wailing about it. That will change nothing, you have to dust yourself off and carry one

I'm finding the public sector bashing in the media, and by the woman suggesting a 10% pay cut on channel 4 last night, depressing. In '99 I remember being on 14K (teaching) - well below private sector salaries. And in much of the public sector there were/are no bonuses. It didn't matter how hard you worked you didn't get a nice reward at the the end of the financial year to reflect how well you had done.

The unions worked really hard to deliver national pay agreements that improved the situation, but professions like teaching, nursing, the police still aren't fantastically paid.

In teaching (for example) it takes years to break the 30K barrier - it's not as the adverts suggest, where the govt imply that a 30K pay packet is the norm.

Yes, the private sector have felt pain, but when things improve it's the private sector who will feel the benefits again. Not frontline public sector workers, or civil servants who actually keep the wheels of our country turning.

Up until 2 years ago people left teaching all the time for private sector jobs because they were better paid. People need to have longer memories.

And if they want to squeeze the pay of teachers, nurses, police officers, dr's then they damn well should not be allowed to claim any expenses on their salaries. They are touting 25K as being a middle income where people shouldn't need any help....in that case their 60K should be a feckin' fortune

cut the public sector. Makes sense. We don't need well paid police officers, or probation officers, or social workers to do their jobs well.

My takehome pay is £849 per month in the public sector. Today GO will increase petrol prices and possibly increase VAT as well as freeze my pay.

BarmyArmy youa re talking rot many peopple on low incomes were not a few eyars back, and that will get mroe common with cuts throughout public services.

We sell equipment to people with a particular type of econd income and a lot of our customers are just voer the cut off, we have noted sales plummet in the alst week and having asked around a lot say they will have to give up their second jobs if TC cut off is £25k as it would push them over the threshold and they can't earn enough to replace it ATM as what we do is a 'luxury' market (no not pyramid in any way, equipment for entertainement LOL).

Interesting flip side should this force people into giving up ways of becoming increasingly self supporting....

'We don't need well paid police officers, or probation officers, or social workers to do their jobs well. '

Well you'd have to define well paid but I am looking at sw training (as aature grad with nexperience in a related field) and if it's too low paid it won't cover my student loan repayments and childcare so will be impossible.

And if it's too low many, incluidng me, will simply opt for charitable sector which is where I come from.

We need tp recruit people who are capable. Wages in public sector shouldn't be record high but do need to be enough.

well todays the day....