im so anxious about threats to cut ctc...

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god i feel so depressed about the threatened cut to ctc, i have been following the news religiously about this new emergency budget, and have just read an updat which was posted tonigha 22.10 which states that incomes £30.000 or over will not be entitled to ctc

im so pissed off with this and feel so anxious

You tell 'em Electra.Go girl

Obviously most countries want more people in the private sector than not because the private sector pays for things. Under labour I think we tipped into over 50% public sector which is not sustainable.

market forces work pretty well. Teachers got rises in the past when we could not recruit enough teachers. At the moment graduates can hardly even get jobs as cleaners and we have never had so many people applying to teach and to join the army etc so we're not exactly in a time of shortage of people wanting jobs of any kind whether public or private sector so new wages can come right down in both sectors. (I've student chidlren so I can see how for many things are going).

There have indeed been some public sector cuts already. I think about 2 months ago all public sector quangos had to produce a paper to justify their existence even and of course all that is very much to the good as we cannot afford lots of things we used to take for granted.

(Most war babies did not react by wasting things although people are right that some holocaust survivors etc might have masses of tinned food in the house in case of future times of loss but I think the average British 1950s person was very used to turning off lights (just like our Queen by the way who is very careful with money), recycling clothes etc etc. )

We will know this week where some of the first cuts will be.

Apparently a freeze on benefits rises for just one year will save £4.4bn and on housing benefit, child benti and unemployment benefit.

If benefits were frozen for the 5 year parliament that saves £24.6bn but that is unlikely to be announced.

BarmyArmy - "the state has no business in subsiding children"

Well when I had my 3 kids my dh and I could afford them - he died 11 weeks ago, are you suggesting my children should be left with nothing? My dh was the main breadwinner, I work part time!

When he was alive we did not qualify for tax credits, now I do, my salary is 12k.

I need mine for food and bills - as my youngest child is 6 they are going to be financially dependent on me for a long time!

I was surprised to read how much could be saved by freezing (although not sure what proportion of the debt that is). I would be 100% happy to personally have things frozen (odd sentence!) e.g. child benefit.

Sorry to hear of your loss pinotmonster

"Obviously most countries want more people in the private sector than not because the private sector pays for things."

Stupidest post ever.

The only over paid public sector workers are those at the top, the rest aren't!

I work with top civil servants and they do work hard. They are very clever and very hard working. I am not in a position to judge their value for money but I have been astonished at how hard some of them work and not out of ambition but a real desire to serve the country.

I do think that it is wise not to have too many people in the public sector as their wages come from taxes. The public sector has become too big

I don't think people realise what public setor workers really do. The impact they can have on society. Also public sector workers tend to spend their money in private shops etc. It all goes round and round.

xenia your comment about war babies is very generalised and as i said earlier my mum hated the rationing so over compensated after the war, she wasn't a holocaust survivor just hated not having much. (sorry just had to say)

some public sector money is funded by the lottery too, or is that classed as public?

waiting for them to privatise royal mail. bet they can't wait for that

monster

""Obviously most countries want more people in the private sector than not because the private sector pays for things."

Stupidest post ever. "

The private sector generates money which pays for those who depend on the state for their benefits and jobs. Without the private sector everyone in a country would starve so why is my post stupid? I don't think people realise there isn't a pot of money from which handouts are made. Instead the private sector makes and sells things and pays taxes on its profits which then fund what public sector and benefits we can afford at any one time.

if people bought and made food more cheaply they could save 40 quid a month no bother

i agree with this cut but only for over 30k

"but private sector nurses/contracters etc end up costing the Govt more don't they?
A few years back the council supplied carers itssled and paid them £7 an hour. Now its all contracted out and they pay an agency £15 per hour (of which the worker still only gets £7) "

But presumably the carers didn't manage themselves, and rock up to the council to get paid every month? There would have been layers of HR, managers and back office to support them, probably costing a substatial amount more than the 8 pounds/carer/hour.

Xenia I don't doubt that the private sector provides a lot of money for the economy, before becoming a teacher I worked in the city and can remember how much tax I paid. But public sector workers to pay tax.

Being a public sector worker I'm scratching my head to see how the boom benefited me. I didn't get big pay rises, bonuses, gym membership, private health care. In fact I couldn't even afford to buy a house.... so forgive me if I don't subscribe to the current demonisation of public sector workers.

It was my private sector employed friends and family who are borrowing dosh, getting flash cars on HP and living the dream. Why should I pay for that?

were not are - doh!!!

BarmyArmy on the month they introduced CTC due to the change in income tax, if I remember correctly it was the abolition of the married couples allowance, my DH brought home £267 less and we were give CTC of £40.00. So we lost out by a considerable sum.
So I don't think they are paying for my DC

'if people bought and made food more cheaply they could save 40 quid a month no bother'

But some families get 11K tax credits if they have large families and are near the 25K threashold. I had a look on the calculator. They would loose hundreds a month. That is like a full wage.

Like has been mentioned, it depends if they mean just the family element (which is £40) or tax credits in their entirity.

I heard of a few people both on the minimum wage who claim TC for childcare. If they lose that they would be better off one quitting and then getting the maximum TC as they would be under the threshold and get free precriptions/school meals/rent benefits etc..Surely that may be the likely result?

wot lightbulb said.....
just remember people a lot of us are going to loose our jobs that will put a few hundred quid into perspective.

(i didn't think you got any childcare element if you earned over a certain amount about 16k Im thinking now i'm wrong....)

we live in a society where consumerism has gone mad

we all strive and crave the latest thing, just look how much we now spend on electricals and communications compared to just 10/15 years ago-most people would consider that to be important spending

look how much we just throw away

look how many people spend hundreds in IKEA each year updating their cushions

houses have become comodities or cashpoints for so many not homes

some of us clearly expect the state to fund that for us and wish to stay home to raise our children ourselves (nothing wring with the second obviously only shouldn't expect the first to happen automatically)

I'm off to knit my own lentils!

Looks like child benefit on the agenda too according to this morning's paper.

FFS.