Was the news about the fox attacking two children upstairs fabricated?

[johndehaura]

Was the news about the fox attacking two children upstairs fabricated to bring back fox hunting?

If so, how much are they paid to carry out such a story, and should we investigate the corrupt and fake governments which are supposedly in charge of many countries?

Should Max Clifford Associates, PR, promotion & protection specialists be closed down?

And finally, why are people so gullible that they believe such made-up stories that are so terrible they belong in fairy tale land? Are people being drugged? What is the matter with these gullible sheeple of the world?

It's terribly embarrassing to think about my fellow human people like this.

WHY would anyyone think that this was made up, or a conspiracy to bring back fox hunting.

The fox did it in the middle of bloody South London. So we want to have hunts in urban areas do we?

I think it received so much media attention because the increase in urban foxes, along with their increasing "tameness" (in the sense that they are not as automatically afraid of human beings as they used to be) is a news story that has been bubbling along for the last 20 years or so. This incident, which is the most serious fox attack (and there have been plenty of others) has just highlighted an issue which has been on the back-burner for a while - which is that of, do we want so many urban foxes and do we really want them to be so fearless?

So four other foxes have been found and destroyed at the property since the incident...what were they feeding them , fillet steak??

the mother must have been a bloody good actor to have fabricated the pain she felt when she saw that her children were all but dead in their cots.

This is no Shannon Matthews.

It is possible that a dog could have inflicted the injuries. It is possible that the owners of this probably fictional dog could have been pinning the blame elsewhere.

Dog attacks are more common than fox attacks, which is why I was sceptical.

It's not uncommon for hysteria-generating stories to turn out to have been made up by people with something to hide or something to gain (Tracie Andrews, assorted men blubbering about their 'kidnapped' partners when they've buried them under the floorboards, Shannon Mathews etc).
I read somewhere years ago that it is police policy to allow such people to milk the public sympathy for the time being while the police hunt for evidence, on the grounds that the strain of keeping up a lie over something so emotional is very intense and guilty people often crack under it.

WRT the Satanic Foxes, I have an open mind on the subject myself.

Riven

"The officer was there to reassure the family of nine-month- old Lola and Isabella Koupparis after animal rights campaigners posted unfounded allegations on the internet that there was no evidence a fox was involved in the attack"

Where is the dog?

Who does the dog belong to?

Why are the parents protecting the owners of the dog?

Lol, my bloody imaginary dog is causing trouble again!

The dog is conjecture.

Other people in the area gave evidence - photographic evidence - of foxes coming into thier houses - it was on TV. Someone in Lambeth was bitten by a fox in their house - it would be easy to trap 6 or 8 foxes in my garden over the course of a week or so (and I wish someone would!).

HOWEVER it is entirely possible that this couple took a large sum of money, probably from Bryan Ferris' son, mocked up a fox bite attack with jaws from a dead fox attached to pliers (as suggested by an astute DM reader), savaged both their tiny children and then called the police. Or rather called Max C, the DM, and then an ambulance. Or would Mrs K have called her make-up artist first? Anyway, the important fact remains - they were unlikely to be found out, because as the DM reports in this scoop about brazen foxes, they cannot recognise a policeman or tell them apart from normal chicken-in-a-box-dropping humans who are more usually in the streets ay night, so cannot grass them up.

FAR more likely than urban foxes gradually becoming bolder and more numerous, and following thier natural instincts to bite anything that moves - a whole coop-ful of chickens, etc.

tbh I still think there is more to this, but I think the "bring back fox hunting" conspiracy theorists are just barking.

But I don't buy the story that a random fox would walk into the house, go up two flights of stairs and randomly attack two babies when there were humans closer to them than that.

And given the media are reporting that five foxes have been destroyed there already, and two others were seen in the garden on the day the report was written, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the family had been feeding them/possibly even encouraging them in. It wouldn't be the first time someone had crossed the line from wild animal to tame semi domestic animal. And with that number of foxes I'd guess that it would be a mother and cubs. And fox cubs are very cute. Befriend them young enough and you could gain their trust. Except it could all go wrong when wild, natural instinct kicked in.

wannabe - even the "experts" that have said it's unheard of for foxes to do this have admitted that foxes have been found asleep on beds....

Babies and much smaller and wriggler than adults......I guess they're kind of like chickens in that respect,

If a fox would attack small wriggly things (sheep, chickens, etc) and they have been known to wander upstairs......I can see how it could have wandered upstairs, (to kip on the bed) and then found the children thought "hmm dinner" and attacked

I've seen foxes casually strolling around on the upper floors of half built blocks of flats, and if this family or other nearby ones had been feeding them, i guess as curious animals they would feel confident enough to go in and explore - and then their attention caught by movementy or sounds from the cot. Doesn't seem unlikely at all to me. I v much doubt they went in deliberately to hunt or attack a human.

Foxes chew / play with / savage anything they find - they have created havoc with loads of things in my garden - chewed up pond stuff, destroyed the solar panel pump for the pond, etc.

this kind of reporting and 'evidence' made me laugh.

random sighting of fox in area by policeman. Shock horror!

Who do you think did it, their own mom and dad?

My hypothetical dog!

tis the McCanns all over again, and they didn't do it either

No one knows whether the McCanns did it or not. No one knows what happened to that child and most likely no one ever will.

As to the foxes, Wannabe has a point I think - if the family were feeing them then there would have benn maybe more foxes in that particular garden, and the foxes would have been bolder WRT entering the house.
TBH I thought the police protection must have been because some or other Facebook brain donors had set up a group called Fox Shock Mum Really ATe Her Own Kid or somesuch.

Why are we 'gullible' if we believe that an urban fox could nip into a house and bite two babies badly enough to land them in hospital? How insulting.

You don't necessarily have to be in favour of fox hunting to know that fox numbers are increasing rapidly and that they are not frightened of people. If you live in the 'burbs' you see them all the time, whereas in the past you didn't. Rat populations are seriously out of control due to food waste littering our streets and pest control budgets being cut. Foxes are also scavengers and are quite partial to rats too.. If there are stray dogs roaming our streets we can call in the RSPCA and have them removed. If it's a fox, the council don't take responsibility and the RSPCA will only deal with it if injured.

I think it's a gross smear on the character of an innocent and anxious family to suggest that this story is all part of some media plot. But hey... if it's a choice between culling a few foxes and the health and safety of human beings.... obviously no contest for the average 'Disneyland' animal rights nutter.

Even if this was made up, it wouldnt impact fox hunting at all. Fox hunts chase foxes in rural areas. You dont exactly see them cantering down Hackney High St. Urban foxes and rural foxes are 2 entirely different problems; the difference being that in rural areas, there are still options available for controlling numbers whereas in urban areas there are frequently not.

I have been attacked by an urban fox on Clapham Common (have posted this on other thread so sorry for repetition). I promise I am not trying to frame that fox!

Animal bites are a distinctive injury. Medical professionals will have known exactly what happened as soon as they saw the injuries and seeing as at least one baby has been discharged home to her parents I think we can safely assume there was no doubt about the source of the injury.
Only a moron would ask why a fox would go all the way upstairs to attack a baby when two adults were sitting watchig tv just waiting to be eaten The fox was looking for food. The babies smelt like food and were small enough for it to move - when they started squarking it started biting.

Just in case any townies are unfamiliar

this is a fox and this is a tiger They are very different animals as a fox is much smaller and unlikely to take on adults. Neither is a tiger tbh but were one wandering around Hackney looking for it's tea it would stand a better chance with Mrs K than a fox would....

Foxes in London are really really not hungry Northern.

I did wonder if it could be a cover up for a dog attack (not to protect the dog, but the owner could go to prison?)

Really can't see how it would affect any fox hunting campaign though.

Yes, it was David Cameron's pet trained fox wot did it.