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“Critical thinking”

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genesis92 · 02/09/2025 21:44

I’m so sick of hearing this phrase used on here to somehow patronise anyone who’s on the right of politics.

Anyone right wing doesn’t haven’t critical thinking skills apparently. Seems odd to me?

I’d really like to hear your examples of what it is they’re lacking in abundance. And yes I know the definition of it, I want concrete examples in context.

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Snorlaxo · 03/09/2025 05:52

A recent one is believing social media conspiracies that you should be home educating your kids this term because the government are hiding that asylum seekers are planning acts of terror against schools so your kids aren’t safe there.

A left wing one is if transwomen were women then why is the patriarchy prioritising them over women? Why are transwomen more centred than transmen?

StandFirm · 04/09/2025 18:43

genesis92 · 02/09/2025 21:44

I’m so sick of hearing this phrase used on here to somehow patronise anyone who’s on the right of politics.

Anyone right wing doesn’t haven’t critical thinking skills apparently. Seems odd to me?

I’d really like to hear your examples of what it is they’re lacking in abundance. And yes I know the definition of it, I want concrete examples in context.

Interesting... In the last few years - and especially the last 6 months - I've only ever heard that used by right wingers to criticise supposed left wing 'extremists' who 'shut down debate'. Social media is hopelessly polarised regardless of which side of the fence you're on.
Concretely, I'd say critical thinking is an ability to engage with others quoting facts and counterarguments whilst understanding their context. Basically, not taking soundbites at face value. It's hard to give examples because the entire online debating style encourages soundbites and rage baiting...

zaxxon · 04/09/2025 19:02

It's become a nonsense phrase. Generally, if you see "does not engage in critical thinking", you can replace it with "does not agree with me".

MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:44

genesis92 · 02/09/2025 21:44

I’m so sick of hearing this phrase used on here to somehow patronise anyone who’s on the right of politics.

Anyone right wing doesn’t haven’t critical thinking skills apparently. Seems odd to me?

I’d really like to hear your examples of what it is they’re lacking in abundance. And yes I know the definition of it, I want concrete examples in context.

I can only talk about Americans (I do see it here, too, but I don't know whether or not the posters are Americans or not).

I can't give you examples, because they're constant, and I dismiss them from mind after responding (or not). But I can tell you that I'm on two American forums and that overall the conservative/right wing posters almost across the board tend to be ill-informed, incapable of logic, incapable of sustained rational argument - and weirdly bad with basic English. The same is true from the few in-person conversations I have. They make wild statements (do you know about Pizzagate?), and commonly are completely hypocritical, happy with things that Trump does when they would have been outraged if a Democrat did the same. They make (like Trump) sweeping generalizations without any evidence. By contrast, most of my political posts are accompanied by a link to a reputable source.

But that's if you were referring to ordinary people. If you were referring to people high up in government, it's the same. The American secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., is making such wildly false statements that his own family is calling on him to resign. The Supreme Court justice who struck down the abortion protection cited a "fact" about abortion history that was untrue. (If I remember correctly, he claimed that America had always been anti-abortion, whereas in fact abortions were common in the mid 19th century, usually via mid-wives, until doctors decided they didn't like them encroaching on their income.). This kind of thing is happening daily.

There were once serious conservative intellectuals, but they've died out.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/09/2025 02:44

I havent seen it in a while, but when I have seen it on Mnet it's been used incorrectly.

PollyBell · 07/09/2025 03:36

When people only ever quote from unverified sources it is appropriate, newspapers and people's opinions on blogs or vlogs or social media dont count, people need to think for themselves and not parrot others

And that stands for left or right wing or anything in between

'They are here taking our jobs and get free handouts' ok please actually provide verified examples and not the Daily Mail

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 03:51

Thinking back to Brexit, people were convinced that continued EU membership would cause hundreds of thousands of evil Turks to flood the UK. They couldn't explain what's so dreadful about Turks, nor why a number that, quite often, exceeded the whole population of Turkey wanted to move here. Most crucially, Turkey was not an EU member and had no realistic prospect of joining any time soon.

They couldn't compute the illogic of these claims but got all the more emotionally intense about this Turkish threat, the more you asked them to think it through. It happens on all sorts of issues. I find it very odd - it's quite a lot like a small child's foot-stamping denial of things they don't want to hear!

We've had countless highly-qualified people of real influence insisting that men can grow female reproductive organs with hormone treatment. Asked how that works, or why men receiving prostate treatment don't change sex, they go all blank and foot-stampy. They know how to use Google and probably count doctors among their friends, but can't apply logic to this question. Also see those US congressmen who said women can't get pregnant from rape or ectopic pregnancies can be transplanted: they have wives, they have armies of researchers, but somehow never asked themselves "Does this statement fit the facts as known?"

Remember how "They" - usually Bill Gates, but take your pick - were forcing the entire world population to have the Covid vaccine because it contains tiny transmitters that will be used to gain remote control of your brain? Millions of people believed that, and believed it more intensely the more you asked them to think about the how and the why. Half the believers were convinced these were 5G transmitters! I mean, cool afaiac, free phone service 😂 but - erm, why and how?? In-body 5G devices (if they existed) would need to be powered. Perhaps the vaccinators also install a USB socket in your leg, I dunno.

Finally, one I was guilty of this week. At the start of this year, I decided to stop voraciously consuming the news; it was making me feel helpless. I get headline feeds from mainstream news outlets and limit myself to reading those for around five minutes a day. In February, my feeds reported that Russia had used tactical nukes in Ukraine. My feeds did not follow up with retractions, so it stayed in my brain as factual. I had my arse deservedly handed to me for repeating this 'fact' on a thread about war. It's unlike me not to have thought "Hang on, this is a bit drastic. What other news has there been about it?" I've gone back to actually reading the news in long form, with arguments.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 03:57

Seems to me to mean, haven't swallowed the BBC/mainstream media line wholesale.

Do you have a source for that opinion?? Hah

People berate YouTube as some kind of gormless shite. You can literally watch Nobel prize winners having in depth conversations about the cutting edge of physics. The medium is not the problem.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:04

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 03:51

Thinking back to Brexit, people were convinced that continued EU membership would cause hundreds of thousands of evil Turks to flood the UK. They couldn't explain what's so dreadful about Turks, nor why a number that, quite often, exceeded the whole population of Turkey wanted to move here. Most crucially, Turkey was not an EU member and had no realistic prospect of joining any time soon.

They couldn't compute the illogic of these claims but got all the more emotionally intense about this Turkish threat, the more you asked them to think it through. It happens on all sorts of issues. I find it very odd - it's quite a lot like a small child's foot-stamping denial of things they don't want to hear!

We've had countless highly-qualified people of real influence insisting that men can grow female reproductive organs with hormone treatment. Asked how that works, or why men receiving prostate treatment don't change sex, they go all blank and foot-stampy. They know how to use Google and probably count doctors among their friends, but can't apply logic to this question. Also see those US congressmen who said women can't get pregnant from rape or ectopic pregnancies can be transplanted: they have wives, they have armies of researchers, but somehow never asked themselves "Does this statement fit the facts as known?"

Remember how "They" - usually Bill Gates, but take your pick - were forcing the entire world population to have the Covid vaccine because it contains tiny transmitters that will be used to gain remote control of your brain? Millions of people believed that, and believed it more intensely the more you asked them to think about the how and the why. Half the believers were convinced these were 5G transmitters! I mean, cool afaiac, free phone service 😂 but - erm, why and how?? In-body 5G devices (if they existed) would need to be powered. Perhaps the vaccinators also install a USB socket in your leg, I dunno.

Finally, one I was guilty of this week. At the start of this year, I decided to stop voraciously consuming the news; it was making me feel helpless. I get headline feeds from mainstream news outlets and limit myself to reading those for around five minutes a day. In February, my feeds reported that Russia had used tactical nukes in Ukraine. My feeds did not follow up with retractions, so it stayed in my brain as factual. I had my arse deservedly handed to me for repeating this 'fact' on a thread about war. It's unlike me not to have thought "Hang on, this is a bit drastic. What other news has there been about it?" I've gone back to actually reading the news in long form, with arguments.

See, you have swallowed the bollocks whole. Misinformed totally but convinced you are on the right side. Spouting idiotic sound bites, there were a lot of highly qualified people who had a problem with "the vaccine" none of which featured nanotech to take over your brain 🙄

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:05

You're right that the medium isn't the problem - but, be fair, when people vehemently insist they've researched it with YouTube (especially while scorning the WEF-owned MSM), you know they don't mean they've spent hours having their intellects challenged by a range of real experts debating the issues!

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:09

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:04

See, you have swallowed the bollocks whole. Misinformed totally but convinced you are on the right side. Spouting idiotic sound bites, there were a lot of highly qualified people who had a problem with "the vaccine" none of which featured nanotech to take over your brain 🙄

I understand nothing I can say will make a dent. Just in case, though, since I'm an optimist ... You do realise 'critical thinking' doesn't mean parroting the views of qualified people whose opinions match your own feeling?

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:12

I'm not parroting anyone? Not quite sure what your point is.

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:13

Not quite sure what your point is.

Evidently.
Goodnight.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:14

Mic drop (not)

Preppercorn · 07/09/2025 04:16

Not engaging with critical thinking happened a lot during covid. A lot of my left-leaning friends disappointed me greatly with their uncritical acceptance of every batshit rule no matter how arbitrary or inconsistent, and their over-readiness to dismiss any questions at all as “crazy conspiracy theories”. It is a false syllogism to say that someone who questions the use of (widely-discredited in empirical peer-reviewed research) fabric masks as a public health measure is automatically also a rabid anti-vaxxer. And yet they did. Lack of critical thinking. The automatic jump to parroting things from government as a response to an unrelated comment on the same topic was also grating, but maybe that’s more of a lack of critical listening/reading skills; some people see/hear a keyword and utterly fail to note the rest of the question or sentence and just go off on one about something barely on-topic.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:20

Well said peppercorn. The sidelining and silencing of dissenting voices was also pretty disturbing.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:27

I have seen quite a few people who were banned on YouTube and mainstream platforms return lately. No idea what that is all about.

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:39

Oh, for Pete's sake, @whoboo, you deliberately misread my story about vaccine nanobots/5g in order to make your anti-vaccine points. Sure, there are lots of big discussions to be had about vaccine safety but you hijacked my point to shoehorn yours in.

I did not comment on vaccine safety. I used the example of the nanobot conspiracies to illustrate absence of critical thinking, because it is very easy to see there. You told me there were no such conspiracies. There were, which you'd have checked for yourself if you were a critical thinker. Here, I've just done it for you.

With the introduction of the COVID-19 vaccine, microchips (nano-chips) will also be introduced into the human body, then 5G networks will enter the business, through which the world elite will send various signals to the chips, thereby controlling humanity.

The COVID-19 virus is an excuse to inject us with a vaccine that will synchronize us to a digital identity that will be issued in the Civil Registry.

Bill Gates, the founder of harmful vaccination campaigns in developing countries, now plans to use COVID-19 vaccines to surveil the population.

The BBC published a travel piece stating that there will be microchips in the future vaccines funded by the Bill Gates so they can track who has been vaccinated for coronavirus.

From here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8115834/

There's also this: https://publichealthcollaborative.org/alerts/dubious-study-claims-that-mrna-vaccines-contain-nanobots/

and these: https://publichealthcollaborative.org/alerts/bizarre-claims-circulate-that-covid-19-vaccines-contain-toxins-nanochips-and-parasites/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54893437

My Facebook and Twitter were rife with these 'studies', 'experts' and 'whistleblowers' at the time. I followed some of them up because I'm interested by the ways people get sucked into such things. And couldn't sleep until I'd come back and answered! So, again, good night - what's left of it.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:14

The nanobot shit is a straw man, about 5 people in the world actually believed it. It's constantly thrown about to ridicule and discredit. The fact you spouted it immediately, marks you as unserious person.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:16

I think it's called a "dog whistle" these days

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:22

If you couldn't see the absolute ridiculous sham that was COVID and the blatant propaganda. You have have absolutely no business spouting about critical thinking.

VashtaNerada · 07/09/2025 06:28

I’m left-wing and I don’t believe that all right-wingers are stupid at all. I always enjoy a good conversation with someone whose political opinion differs from mine when they’re also intelligent enough to discuss it properly. Sometimes it changes my mind and sometimes it confirms for me what I thought in the first place!
What’s different is when people (from any political persuasion) say something absolutely bonkers (eg “Sadiq Khan wants sharia law in London”) without anything whatsoever to back it up. Someone recently said to me, “there’s a council that is removing England flags from people’s homes but not Palestinian flags.” Now, if that’s true, that’s interesting. I want to know more. But when I asked which council it was, they said, “oh, it doesn’t say which one on this Facebook post.” Well then it’s clearly bollocks! Why wouldn’t it say where and when this is happening if the story’s true?? That’s the kind of thing that drives people mad.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:29

There are literal idiots everywhere, people who don't even believe viruses exist.

Stop getting your views from Facebook haha

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:38

Nice name vashta, most people are just repeaters, they will hear something that sounds about right and that's hte truth forevermore.

I'd probably be tarred with the same brush, I do actually try to find out actual facts, I don't automatically exclude people not within the mainstream media. Apparently that makes a crazy conspirasist. (Exactly how would someone whistleblow btw,? They are not going to announce it on news at 9)

whoboo · 07/09/2025 08:37

People on here were adamant that "they are are not listening to you on your phones" lol. Gullible, normieville.