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Changes to immigration rules announced by Starmer

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OneAmberFinch · 12/05/2025 14:27

Full white paper here is extensive and announces changes to all avenues of migration - basically their approach to resolving the issues of massively increased migration from 2019-2023/4.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf

And Starmer's commentary on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce810e3z6dkt

Handful of headline changes: default timeline to get ILR to go to 10 years instead of 5; abolishing new care worker visas; raising skills threshold for Skilled Workers back up to graduate level; increasing minimum grades required for student visas; various bits and pieces around English language requirements among several other policies

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821aec3f16c0654b19060ac/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper.pdf

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leopardandspots · 23/05/2025 14:35

GlutesthatSalute · 23/05/2025 08:37

@TheHouseofGirth They seem very pleased to take your hefty tax contributions. You see how people here fell over themselves to reassure you they don't mind YOU when you mentioned your salary. But still... you're a bit of a sponger, ain't ya. Deep down. Confess.

My country has a strongly rebounding international student economy (worth a great deal of money to us) and our universities are some of those benefitting from this particular kneejerk anti-LEGAL-immigrant policy of the UK's, so rule Britannia, I say.

Our medical vacancies are also being filled by UK-trained graduate doctors who can't get a job in their own country. We didn't even have to pay to educate them. Thanks, UK. Your policies are truly a boon to the world. Not sure what you're getting out of it, though.

Sorry some posters feel unwelcome. It’s not true, you really, really are!

Response to the immigration rules in the Higher ed sector are really interesting though. I was already worried about the lost income, lost respect and diminished research profile at our Universities following the double impact of Brexit, and then the spouse rules. But I hadn’t thought through the flip side of the other countries benefitting from our lost student base. I did a bit of research into which countries are likely to benefit the most. A Brunel university representative was quoted as saying US, Canada, Australia and UK still lead the field but apparently, Finland, Italy, France and Germany are becoming more and more popular with international students. Also a rise in international student interest in Belgium, Turkey and Malta – especially for medical training.

We have been holding our leading role in terms of research quality but for how much longer as the pool dwindles?

Short sightedness, but I guess the silver lining is that sadly maybe these policies really will help keep floating voters away from Reform?

leopardandspots · 23/05/2025 18:06

And now Trump is at it too trying to ban c7,000 students from Harvard including Princess Elisabeth of Belgium. More savvy countries are going to have huge boosts to their higher ed income.

Rewis · 23/05/2025 18:36

apparently, Finland, Italy, France, and Germany are becoming more and more popular with international students.

In the past few months, I've met three different research groups at university. One group is researching biomaterials to cure blindness, other research causes of T1 diabetes and the third was about investigating what genes cause melanoma.

The majority of the research group members were from outside of Finland. I'd say if there were 15 people in every research group, at least 10 were from elsewhere. India, Pakistan, UK, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Spain. And I spoke with one of the professors and she said that they're starting to attract more and more talent now that USA is less desirable and actively deporting and detaining researchers for doing the wrong type of research. She was very excited about the propects.

ShopUK · 25/05/2025 11:12

I've recently had the opportunity to review the latest statistics on long-term international migration, published just days ago by the Office for National Statistics (ONS). The findings are quite striking, and they challenge the common perception that asylum seekers constitute only a small fraction of immigration to the UK.
Key statistics that caught my attention include:

• The net migration figure from 2021 to 2024 stands at 11 million, with 1.2 million of these individuals being asylum seekers, including those who arrived by small boats. This represents 10% of the total net migration figure.
• 13% of those granted settled status in 2023 and 2024 did so through the asylum route. Furthermore, these individuals are typically eligible to apply for citizenship after just one year.

These numbers suggest that asylum seekers make up a more significant proportion of immigration than is often assumed. It's also worth considering that not all visa holders, particularly those on work visas, may be interested in pursuing citizenship, as they sort after settlement for the freedom to change employers without being tied to their sponsor. However, refugees, on the other hand, are highly likely to take up citizenship, with nearly 100% doing so.
As a result, it's estimated that 1-2 in every 10 new UK citizens will be eligible to access social housing, pensions, and Universal Credit immediately. Compared to individuals on work or study visas, asylum seekers do represent a significant financial burden on the government, especially given the current funding challenges.

I hope that the forthcoming the white paper, will address the issue of refugee citizenships and consider applying any changes retrospectively. However, I'm unsure whether such measures should also apply to work and study visas. Many highly capable individuals hold these visas but may not yet qualify for the "Global Talent T1 visa" or may have been deterred from applying due to the expensive and often subjective application process.
These talented individuals remain highly competitive and in demand globally, and they have the potential to drive growth in the UK economy while keeping UK research competitive on the world stage. I am concerned that any unfavourable changes to the visa system could inadvertently drive these talent away.

OneAmberFinch · 25/05/2025 22:00

strawberrybubblegum · 23/05/2025 10:35

University fees were £9000 in 2012. There's been high inflation since then, so in real terms that was worth the equivalent of £13,500 now.

But current fees are only £9,535. That's a 30% decrease in real terms.

That's the root of the University funding problem. Propping it up with ever-increasing international students (taking a cash handout now in return for selling out our future) is unsustainable.

We need to reduce the number of students going to university to do pointless degrees by improving non-University options. Have a smaller number of higher quality degrees, which are actually worth students forking out higher fees for. And potentially also increase direct grants from the government to universities, only when the decrease in numbers and increase in educational quality actually makes that a worthwhile state investment.

Tony Blair was wrong, frankly.

Spot on. It's deeply frustrating when people try to extrapolate their experiences working with top researchers in the field, to taught masters programmes at third-tier universities with easy entry criteria and even easier grading.

I'm not deeply familiar with the UK's universities, but I would probably argue that Coventry University (source of figures cited upthread about why international students are so critical) itself might be one of the universities that should convert back to being a technical college / engineering school only.

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Simonjt · 26/05/2025 06:54

GlutesthatSalute · 23/05/2025 10:32

Eastern, this sponger is outta here soon (as soon as the sale of our house is finalised)-- not angry anymore, but definitely over it. We legal immigrants who are paying the NHS Immigrant Surcharge currently at a rate of £1035 a year for imaginary services, in addition to the usual tax and NI from our wages, do love being told again and again that we are sucking at the British public tit. It comes out of our family budget when we are donating about £3-4k in fees to your Home Office coffers with every visa renewal for me every couple of years. Love being told by Daily Mail-lickers that I am here to take benefits that I am wholly ineligible for. There is no sense of security that under any future kneejerk anti-immigrant rule changes I would be able to even remain here with my English husband and our children. That last one is the real decider for me.

hahaha yes, I once had a team mate complain about immigrants like me and my husband being a drain on the system. We were both higher rate tax payers, team mate was self employed cash in hand to commit benefit fraud and would regularly moan I had been given a flat in an expensive area of Hackney. It was odd really as I wasn’t aware that someone else was paying my mortgage or that someone else had saved the deposit.

Mypinkchequebookholder · 26/05/2025 08:34

strawberrybubblegum · 23/05/2025 10:35

University fees were £9000 in 2012. There's been high inflation since then, so in real terms that was worth the equivalent of £13,500 now.

But current fees are only £9,535. That's a 30% decrease in real terms.

That's the root of the University funding problem. Propping it up with ever-increasing international students (taking a cash handout now in return for selling out our future) is unsustainable.

We need to reduce the number of students going to university to do pointless degrees by improving non-University options. Have a smaller number of higher quality degrees, which are actually worth students forking out higher fees for. And potentially also increase direct grants from the government to universities, only when the decrease in numbers and increase in educational quality actually makes that a worthwhile state investment.

Tony Blair was wrong, frankly.

Nailed it.

Mypinkchequebookholder · 26/05/2025 08:35

OneAmberFinch · 25/05/2025 22:00

Spot on. It's deeply frustrating when people try to extrapolate their experiences working with top researchers in the field, to taught masters programmes at third-tier universities with easy entry criteria and even easier grading.

I'm not deeply familiar with the UK's universities, but I would probably argue that Coventry University (source of figures cited upthread about why international students are so critical) itself might be one of the universities that should convert back to being a technical college / engineering school only.

Another erudite post that sums it up nicely.

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