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Should the Tories and Labour agree to implement PR to stop Farage becoming PM in the next election?

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JeremyVineyard · 05/05/2025 10:35

There is a very real likelihood that Farage will win the next election Partly because of this countries outdated, first past the post election system.

Under PR(Proportional Representation) parties will usually get the same percentage of seats as their percentage of the vote.

With the electorate split 3 or 4 ways and a lot of people too disillusioned to vote, he could become PM with as little as 20% or 25% of the vote under first past the post.

Under PR Reform would get 20/25% of the vote and therefore get 20/25% of the seats.

If the Tories and Labour support a referendum on PR it will likely be passed as the other smaller parties will support it.

It may mean that the Tories and Labour need to form a coalition after the next election and while this may be hard to swallow, it would be for the greater good to stop the far right getting into power.
The Tories and Labour are both fairly centrist parties anyway so it makes more sense than the Tories and Reform getting into bed together.

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moto748e · 08/05/2025 17:42

Ii wouldn't be surprised if there were not a few stories about corrupt/useless/inefficent local govt by Reform well before the next GE, which may take the shine off them once people see how they perform when they actually have to run something.

EasternStandard · 08/05/2025 17:47

EssexMan55 · 08/05/2025 15:15

Its one of Reforms main policies to change to PR, so not sure how they can argue against it!

It benefits a smaller party, Lib Dems would say the same. Whether they’ll switch at any point if they start benefiting from FPTP.

Cattenberg · 08/05/2025 17:57

There has never been a UK referendum on PR! This is an extremely common misconception. The Liberal Democrats wanted a referendum on PR as part of the 2010 Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition agreement. The Tories pushed back and persuaded them to accept the compromise of a referendum on the Alternative Vote (AV). AV wasn't a PR system, so the Lib-Dems should never have agreed to this idea. They were utterly outmanoeuvred by the Tories.

Alternative Vote – Electoral Reform Society – ERS

Alternative Vote

What is the Alternative Vote?The Alternative Vote is not a form of proportional representation.In certain conditions, such as the 2015 General Election, it would have produced

https://electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-systems/types-of-voting-system/alternative-vote/

boys3 · 08/05/2025 18:25

moto748e · 08/05/2025 17:42

Ii wouldn't be surprised if there were not a few stories about corrupt/useless/inefficent local govt by Reform well before the next GE, which may take the shine off them once people see how they perform when they actually have to run something.

Absolutely- at least 3 have gone already with less tan a week since the election.

xanthomelana · 08/05/2025 18:26

PlutoCat · 05/05/2025 14:58

Polling gives Labour a narrow lead over Reform. There is not much in it. Very worrying.

Latest poll has Labour in third place in Wales. It will be interesting to see how Westminster responds to the Welsh Senedd elections because Labour haven’t lost Wales since 1922 but I can see that changing.

PlutoCat · 08/05/2025 18:33

xanthomelana · 08/05/2025 18:26

Latest poll has Labour in third place in Wales. It will be interesting to see how Westminster responds to the Welsh Senedd elections because Labour haven’t lost Wales since 1922 but I can see that changing.

Yes, Plaid Cymru now in the lead. I think a Plaid Cymru/Labour pact might be on the cards.

OneAmberFinch · 12/05/2025 14:21

If you don't like fringe parties having a role in electoral politics, you should be massively in favour of FPTP.

Your problem is that Reform is popular, not that FPTP is not effective enough at kicking minority parties out!

TizerorFizz · 12/05/2025 19:21

@OneAmberFinch FPTP makes it far more difficult for parties with a spread of support to get in. They only succeed where support is very strong in an individual constituency. That’s why UKIP hardly got any seats. When votes are split between the Tories and Reform (say) this can leave Labour with a win. Ditto if it was Labour and Reform splitting the vote and letting the Tories in. To be certain, a party needs a vote stronger in number than all the opposition. Third parties have found that notoriously hard to do.

LJShaw · 07/06/2025 15:47

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JeremyVineyard · 07/06/2025 17:56

Thanks for that cheery update!

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