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So Rachel Reeves has solved it all

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MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 25/11/2024 16:27

Apparently, according to her, all funded, all recovered and public service funding all solved

'all done now' promised not to 'come back again' as everything is fully costed.

Problem is we know we can't trust them.

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1dayatatime · 27/11/2024 14:20

@friendlycat

"We would need vast charging points everywhere. Where are these going to be built?"

It's not just the charging points. The power cable to your house is designed to cope with ordinary household demand, if large numbers of people install EV charge points at home then the whole local grid infrastructure needs upgrading. Similarly if you install EV charge points at hubs then you also need to upgrade the grid.
And if you install EV charge points next to renewable generation then you can't charge your car when it isn't windy or sunny.

It is all just ill thought through political soundbites that don't actually work in the real world.

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 14:25

We are probably buying a nearly new ev and they are substantially below new price. They are offloading 24 reg cars to beat the fines. We can charge at home and we have other cars. However there’s clearly an infrastructure issue and this is our “local” car.

1dayatatime · 27/11/2024 14:29

@TizerorFizz

"We are probably buying a nearly new ev and they are substantially below new price"

Which is why car manufacturers are not making much money in EV car sales and why the Vauxhall plant is closing.

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 14:29

I meant to add: it’s extremely difficult for businesses to spend money when they are paying a lot more in tax. We haven’t incentives buying EU made cars or British made ones. This government is cavalier with jobs. Only nhs jobs matter and obviously car workers don’t. It’s going to have to move very quickly to improve the infrastructure for charging before 2030!

OriginalUsername2 · 27/11/2024 14:34

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 25/11/2024 16:33

? It is on all the news channels.

I'm so fed up with how all parties just talk down the opposition, it should be banned .

As should the term 'firm footing'

I can’t believe the way grown adults in charge of the country act in there. It’s like a really shit rap battle

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 15:41

@1dayatatime Yes. I’m aware of the economics. I’m not buying a van but fining companies for not selling enough is ludicrous. The prices are seriously undercut by cheap imports and I understand why people might want them. However poor infrastructure coupled with uncertainty over range and charging are nit helping. If you don’t have home charging it’s not much cheaper to run and the decent cars cost more to buy!

DianaRiggsCatsuit · 27/11/2024 16:56

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rwalker · 27/11/2024 17:10

Call me cynical but can’t see wage increases NI increases doing much for growth

FixTheBone · 27/11/2024 17:34

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 25/11/2024 16:27

Apparently, according to her, all funded, all recovered and public service funding all solved

'all done now' promised not to 'come back again' as everything is fully costed.

Problem is we know we can't trust them.

I don't entirely disagree, but it speaks volumes that even accepting what you say in it's entirety still puts her a league ahead of the previous bunch of crooks.

They got to the point where they didnt even try to pretend to not be a bunch of corrupt swindlers... Michelle Mone doing one with £200m of tax payers money? Meh, no fucks given.

FixTheBone · 27/11/2024 17:37

1dayatatime · 27/11/2024 14:20

@friendlycat

"We would need vast charging points everywhere. Where are these going to be built?"

It's not just the charging points. The power cable to your house is designed to cope with ordinary household demand, if large numbers of people install EV charge points at home then the whole local grid infrastructure needs upgrading. Similarly if you install EV charge points at hubs then you also need to upgrade the grid.
And if you install EV charge points next to renewable generation then you can't charge your car when it isn't windy or sunny.

It is all just ill thought through political soundbites that don't actually work in the real world.

Or, if you're a tory prime minister you can get the supply uograded to service your heated pool as well...

FixTheBone · 27/11/2024 17:39

TizerorFizz · 26/11/2024 19:27

In fact data from patients showed only 75% saw a GP within 48 hours in 2005. GPs claimed 99% but the methodology made that data wholly unreliable. When these must do targets were in place, patient satisfaction actually fell. Mainly because patients saw any DR. They expected their GP. 20 years on and any GP will do. Any living doctor will probably do! The targets also meant consultation times were cut and many patients were not happy that a possible quicker appointment was not at a convenient time. There’s devil in the detail and GPs rarely offer a service convenient for anyone other than the retired.

Thanks to the tories, its not even a doctor... More likely to be a PA, paramedic or Nurse Practitioner

FixTheBone · 27/11/2024 17:47

1dayatatime · 27/11/2024 13:38

In the EV issue I just think it's just another example of Labour being unable to think through the secondary impacts of its policies.

Yes you can mandate that x % of car sales must be EV but if people don't want to buy them at a price that is economic to produce them then there is not a lot that the manufacturers can do.

Give them a bit of leeway.... Theres an awfully long list of tory fuckups to put right.

The policy you refer to is the zero emissions vehicle mandate, introduced and psuhed through by Sunak himself.

Government sets out path to zero emission vehicles by 2035

80% of new cars and 70% of new vans sold in Great Britain set to be zero emission by 2030, increasing to 100% by 2035.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-path-to-zero-emission-vehicles-by-2035

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 18:05

We also know Sunak pushed it out to 2035. Like everything else, there are good points and bad. A new government can tweak legislation if there’s a problem. Fining companies is a problem.

EasternStandard · 27/11/2024 18:58

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 18:05

We also know Sunak pushed it out to 2035. Like everything else, there are good points and bad. A new government can tweak legislation if there’s a problem. Fining companies is a problem.

There was backlash about this wasn't there? Including from Labour

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 19:15

@EasternStandard Yes. There was. However it could be the pragmatic date as sales have stalled and motor companies are looking at redundancies. Plus it gives a bit more time to build charging infrastructure.

EasternStandard · 27/11/2024 19:22

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 19:15

@EasternStandard Yes. There was. However it could be the pragmatic date as sales have stalled and motor companies are looking at redundancies. Plus it gives a bit more time to build charging infrastructure.

It made sense to push it out but I remember majority mn and Labour saying it was bad

Labour haven't reversed that extra five years I don't think? But they sure did kick up a fuss at the time

Araminta1003 · 27/11/2024 19:39

In the end, a lot of what Labour have said they are going to do, just won’t happen. Same applies to all the landlord stuff - as it just increases rents and leads to less properties available to rent, it backfires tremendously. Landlord aren’t going to spend thousands upgrading properties without passing the cost straight to the tenant.
The Times is now reporting the Chagos islands deal may be in jeopardy. Surprise, surprise.
A lot of the stuff Labour are pushing right now just is not going to happen for various legal reasons as well.

TizerorFizz · 27/11/2024 20:52

A lot of the problems are caused by slogan politics and no experience of the real world of business, diplomacy or government. I’m not surprised but it is foolish to allow pandering to certain groups override sensible policies. Laws and policies are fertile ground for unintended consequences.

BIossomtoes · 28/11/2024 09:23

Araminta1003 · 27/11/2024 19:39

In the end, a lot of what Labour have said they are going to do, just won’t happen. Same applies to all the landlord stuff - as it just increases rents and leads to less properties available to rent, it backfires tremendously. Landlord aren’t going to spend thousands upgrading properties without passing the cost straight to the tenant.
The Times is now reporting the Chagos islands deal may be in jeopardy. Surprise, surprise.
A lot of the stuff Labour are pushing right now just is not going to happen for various legal reasons as well.

The beauty of being in government with a big majority is you can change the law.

Araminta1003 · 28/11/2024 11:04

@blossomtoes - that would result in a one term Government and the next Government overturning anything too drastic pretty quickly. Whilst a majority in Parliament looks tempting, popularity is everything in politics because you cannot get anything proper done in just one term. So you have to think 2 terms and so you have to keep your voting public on side. Therefore, it becomes a balance of what you realistically can achieve, large majority or not.
And if some of your policies result in less revenue than you pretty much cannot do the stuff you had hoped to do anyway. So if you are off to a bad start like they have been, a lot of it goes out of the window.

TizerorFizz · 28/11/2024 13:49

When they start to see unemployment, huge numbers of immigrants and no growth they will have to rethink. Labour has spent the years since Blair on university style politics. Stating what they would like but not really understanding the economics or dynamics of the country and therefore his to get it. They have already completely misunderstood WFS for pretty hard up people just above benefits level. They are controlled by larger public service unions who expect their members to benefit most and Will strike to get what they want inconveniencing everyone else who funds them. The goals of growth and prosperity are impossible if the people who pay the most tax and companies who make profits are demonised and taxed beyond what is reasonable.

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