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So those people sitting outside the Polling station...

208 replies

ciderhouserules · 04/07/2024 13:48

What are they doing? There was one today (festooned in Yellow rosettes and ribbons) who asked me for my Polling card. I asked why and he said 'just to record that you've turned up'. I just walked away.

The fact that I've voted is recorded by the Polling clerk inside the Polling station, who crosses off my Name and Polling number on the list.

So what do the people sitting outside record from me?

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MaturingCheeseball · 04/07/2024 14:32

I have done this as a favour for someone. All you get is a polling number - no other information. Someone comes round and peroiodically collects the numbers so they can see if people who have promised to vote for them have done so, and if not go and “knock them up”.

Finding tellers is hard (hence why I was guilted and it was a one-time only favour!) but the LibDems are very keen on it as they have big local machines. You see armies of them haring round on election days.

LakeTiticaca · 04/07/2024 14:32

I've had my door knocked in the past asking if I have voted yet.
I remember the days when we had canvassers from all the parties knocking (had none at all this time) and cars with a loudspeaker driving around the neighbourhoods calling out Vote Labour/Vote Conservative etc. Candidates holding court in the town centres, talking to people
Volunteer party members offering to give older voters a lift to the polling station. My Nan used to get a lift every time 🤣
It all seems a bit insipid nowadays

Shortfatsuit · 04/07/2024 14:33

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:28

Considering that they don't usually tell you who they are, why they are asking for your details or what they will do with that information - whilst hanging about in a manner that a great many people would naturally assume meant they were part of the official neutral process - I think they would be on phenomenally thin ground, legally-speaking, if they were challenged on it.

Yes, that was my thinking. Interesting.

It is such a widespread practice, though, so I assume it must all be perfectly above board. I do absolutely think they should be required to say who they are and how they are using the information though.

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:33

I also don't get the whole fuss about the exit polls.

Unless there's something that I'm missing, what on earth is the point in trying to ascertain a 'best-guess' scenario of the results that you will have accurately and audited in a few hours time anyway?

Favouritefruits · 04/07/2024 14:34

I’m a member of a political party and they will be knocking on my door in a bit to ‘get the vote out’ the people just ask for your number so they can see if you are a member of their party and can cross you off the list of having voted

MaturingCheeseball · 04/07/2024 14:34

Yes @LakeTiticaca - I remember the loudspeakers! I guess all the bellowing is now online…

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:38

Shortfatsuit · 04/07/2024 14:33

Yes, that was my thinking. Interesting.

It is such a widespread practice, though, so I assume it must all be perfectly above board. I do absolutely think they should be required to say who they are and how they are using the information though.

Plenty of things in life are 'above board' but still outrageous, though!

Shortfatsuit · 04/07/2024 14:39

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:38

Plenty of things in life are 'above board' but still outrageous, though!

Indeed!

Artesia · 04/07/2024 14:39

I was nobbled by one today (is always Lib Dem round here). Explained that I'd love to give them my vote but the party had made it clear that it wasn't welcome. They looked confused so we had a chat about the whole gender identity debate and why I objected to the Lib Dem position. She is either a v good actress or had no idea at all where the party stood on the issue. I don't understand how someone actively canvas for a party without understanding their manifesto

GingerLiberalFeminist · 04/07/2024 14:40

It's not for political gain. They check the numbers against the electoral role and make sure they don't knock on your door later. It saves you having to answer the door after you've voted. All the parties do this to some degree, and if there's more than one party out there then they share the numbers.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 04/07/2024 14:42

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:24

YOU know that, but how many other people don't - especially first-time voters or those with learning difficulties or other vulnerabilities?

You go to vote, taking your polling card with you, as you've been told that it can save time if you have it. Then, you get to the polling station and somebody outside the door, in smart clothes, approaches you and asks to see your polling card.

How on earth would you possibly instinctively know that you can decline to show it to them - and that they are seeking to politically gain from your personal information, rather than being an official neutral steward who is a standard part of the voting process?

It's the political equivalent of somebody hanging around at the door of the GP's surgery in a sharp suit and holding a clipboard, stopping you as you go in and asking you to confirm your name, address and the purpose of your visit - as they have a 'miracle natural cure' that they are selling and want to get your details for marketing it to you, by acting in a way that many people would assume meant they legitimately worked for the surgery.

Yes, absolutely.

sashagabadon · 04/07/2024 14:42

They’re always there. No need to be rude and dramatic about it. Have you not voted before??

listsandbudgets · 04/07/2024 14:43

Just had a car from the workers party drive by... very loudly proclaiming "A vote for Labour is a vote for genocide"

They're the only ones who've bothered to knock on my door in this campaign - liked the candidate but won't vote for him as he's way to far from my views on most things. Did give him a glass of squash though as it was a very hot day and he looked parched.

I've done telling - it's a fairly thankless task but in very marginal areas it can make the difference. I've known people who've won by under 20 votes and that's almost certainly down to telling and then getting the vote out.

Tellers should be polite and non pushy and it should be obvious which party / candidate they represent. They should not go INSIDE the polling station and should only approach you on your way out unless good morning/afternoon/ evening

"May I see your polling card please?"

NO - That's fine, thank you for taking the time to vote, enjoy the rest of your day.

YES - Thank you very much, that's great, thank you for taking the time to vote, enjoy the rest of your day

Any more than that should only be as a result of direct questions from the voter

Well that's how I've always done it anyway!!

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:43

Maybe it's just an introvert/privacy-valuing thing on my part, but I would find it deeply intrusive for somebody to knock on my door and ask if I've been to vote yet - with the likelihood that they may ask for whom (if yes) or why not and insist that you really should (if no).

Everybody has the democratic right to choose not to vote, for whatever reason - and to keep their voting choices secret if they have voted, without a stranger trying to cajole them to tell.

Maybe, if they had better policies and a solid reputation of honour, respectability and trustworthiness, they wouldn't need to go around begging people to come out and vote (for them).

MaturingCheeseball · 04/07/2024 14:45

I believe they are not allowed in the actual polling station, but have to lurk outside, not even in the porch.

When I did it I chatted with people I knew, pre-empted others with, “No, it’s okay! It’s only voluntary!” and had my ear burnt off for two hours about the “rival” teller’s talented grandchildren. And made friends with the Labour candidate who was a very odd but charming conspiracy theorist…

BobnLen · 04/07/2024 14:45

The one outside our polling station didn't have a rosette, just looked like someone with a clipboard, maybe incognito then, I just gave her the number. I didn't realise they gave you a lift if you left it late to vote, DH mentioned this but i thought he was joking and suggested they may use a minibus.

Bromptotoo · 04/07/2024 14:46

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:33

I also don't get the whole fuss about the exit polls.

Unless there's something that I'm missing, what on earth is the point in trying to ascertain a 'best-guess' scenario of the results that you will have accurately and audited in a few hours time anyway?

It's pretty labour intensive and therefore costly. If there wasn't a market, the media and in particular broadcasters, it wouldn't happen.

The exit poll will fill the news vacuum until actual results come in :-)

Bromptotoo · 04/07/2024 14:47

sashagabadon · 04/07/2024 14:42

They’re always there. No need to be rude and dramatic about it. Have you not voted before??

Yep. I mentioned a teacher at school telling us about this. I did A levels in 1978 and I think it was well before that.

tobee · 04/07/2024 14:48

I used to do this sometimes. Lots of people are suspicious and think you're about to use their number to trace how they voted. But no it's just to help people who have said they'd vote for a party and offer transport etc.

My dad used to help drive elderly voters and people with mobility issues to get to the polling stations. Now he's elderly and has mobility issues.

eurochick · 04/07/2024 14:49

I used to live in East London when Galloway was standing there. You used to have to run a gauntlet of fairly intimidating young Muslim men to get to the polling station. I didn't like it at all. I never engage with them even when they are more polite than that.

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:49

GingerLiberalFeminist · 04/07/2024 14:40

It's not for political gain. They check the numbers against the electoral role and make sure they don't knock on your door later. It saves you having to answer the door after you've voted. All the parties do this to some degree, and if there's more than one party out there then they share the numbers.

Come on, it IS for political gain, even if subtly. Why would the parties bother to send people out to do it if it made no difference whatsoever to their chances?

Acting for these same candidates many of whom you barely ever see year in, year out; but then they're all over the local media when there's an election on the horizon.

Would Party X really be desperately clamouring to give lifts to the polling station to people who categorically told them that they were going to vote for Party Y - just out of a pure love for democracy and access to suffrage?!

tobee · 04/07/2024 14:50

As this thread proves, plenty of people are conspiracy theorists. But you absolutely don't have to give your number.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 04/07/2024 14:50

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:33

I also don't get the whole fuss about the exit polls.

Unless there's something that I'm missing, what on earth is the point in trying to ascertain a 'best-guess' scenario of the results that you will have accurately and audited in a few hours time anyway?

Gives them all something to talk about until the results start rolling in.

tobee · 04/07/2024 14:51

They're not to do with exit polls

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 04/07/2024 14:52

But no it's just to help people who have said they'd vote for a party and offer transport etc.

But that's THEM wanting to connect with THEIR supporters. Isn't it rather arrogant to expect everybody to show them their cards, just so they can cross you off their list as irrelevant to them?