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MrsSkylerWhite · 03/07/2024 22:30

get out and vote tomorrow. Turnout is predicted to be historically low.

Voting is a privilege. Yes, I know that so many are far from inspired this time but there must be a party the policies of which you generally agree with.

Please vote. It’s so important.

OP posts:
AnneElliott · 04/07/2024 04:47

Have already voted by post.

evelynevelyn · 04/07/2024 06:21

Maddy70 · 04/07/2024 02:57

I saw this on threads and yes this ...

Think on this:
Imagine you're at the railway station. The train to your destination has been cancelled. There is, however a train that goes close enough for you to get home. So - do you take that train - or do you sit on the platform with the rain pouring down and refuse to get on any train unless it's going exactly where you want it to? Tomorrow you can sit on the platform getting sopping wet, or say "close enough" and step aboard!

Or...

There is train coming down the tracks. You see children playing on the line. You could try to switch the train onto another track, but there are children playing on that one too.

It's foggy and you aren't certain you've seen correctly which track/s the children are on. You're think there are more on one than the other, but you aren't certain.

Do you hit the switch?

Whatineed · 04/07/2024 06:34

I'm an overseas voter, and for all the reasons mentioned in a previous post, I've voted by post.

It will be interesting to see the effect overseas voters have on this election, as we can't be measured in the current statistics. Does anyone know if this will be something they can or will analyse?

Goingasteady30 · 04/07/2024 06:58

No. In my opinion, they are all slippery self serving power hungry liars and in my opinion, you are kidding yourself if you really think they care about their electorate and you won't see much difference to your everyday life whoever gets in.

allaboardtheplaybus · 04/07/2024 08:11

There is train coming down the tracks. You see children playing on the line. You could try to switch the train onto another track, but there are children playing on that one too.

It's foggy and you aren't certain you've seen correctly which track/s the children are on. You're think there are more on one than the other, but you aren't certain.

Do you hit the switch?

allaboardtheplaybus · 04/07/2024 08:12

Sorry hit post too soon- that sums up how I feel!

Ahshsb · 04/07/2024 08:13

What do I need to take ?!

CinnamonCuirass · 04/07/2024 08:16

Unless you intend to vote Reform, in which case, stay home and let the adults participate in democracy.

Flev · 04/07/2024 08:17

Ahshsb · 04/07/2024 08:13

What do I need to take ?!

You need to take some form of photo ID. If you've got a passport or driving license then they are the easiest - otherwise check this list for other options.
https://www.gov.uk/how-to-vote/photo-id-youll-need

You don't have to take your polling card with you - although it's useful to make sure you're going to the right place.

They will provide a pencil, or you can use your own pen or pencil if you prefer.

How to vote

An overview of voting in the UK, including voting in person, postal and proxy voting, and voting if you're abroad.

https://www.gov.uk/how-to-vote/photo-id-youll-need

LittlePearDrop · 04/07/2024 08:23

I think the problem is that none of the parties are particularly appealing.

Labour: Bit wet.
Lib Dems: Not serious.
Reform: Racist.
Greens: Not serious.
Tories: Erm, well... broadly gestures to just about everything that has happened in the last 14 years

I've voted by postal vote already. But I can understand why people feel it's not worth it.

This country needs innovative people at the top who will instigate change and take bold decisions to improve everyone's lives. I don't think any party offers that in any form. They are all either playing it safe or have the most ridiculous ideas imaginable (looks at Reform and the Green party).

MamaGarl85 · 04/07/2024 08:24

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/07/2024 23:19

No thanks - I'm going to spoil my ballot paper.
And I know this pisses you off OP, but so what

I don't see what the point of this is? Save yourself the bother of going to the polling station and just don't vote...surely the outcome is the same?

Not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely don't get it!

Sarahconnor1 · 04/07/2024 08:35

Talking of apathy, I haven't had a single canvasser this GE.

I live in a safe Labour seat, so i assume Labour take our votes for granted and no-one else could be bothered

It's the most uninspiring GE campaign I have ever witnessed. I'll still go and vote but I can understand why others don't bother.

anonhop · 04/07/2024 08:36

I find it a bit patronising that people assume not voting is apathy / disinterest / not being educated.

Why does it matter to anyone else if I don't vote? Voter turnout is low...ok....so what? I'm not taking anyone else's say away from them.

I am rlly interested & engaged with politics. However, due to my faith I am unable to put my name behind any candidate who actively campaigns to do something that (according to my faith) is sin. I could vote if I personally disagreed with the policy, but I can't vote for any of the candidates in my area because all the ones we have are standing on a platform that includes sin.

Once an MP is selected, I'll still be involved, contact them with local issues etc. I just can't put my name behind them on these platforms.

(Btw yes, I do understand one of them will get in anyway & me not voting has nothing to do with that - it's a conscience issue!!)

Sixpence39 · 04/07/2024 08:42

Appalonia · 04/07/2024 00:18

As a lifelong Labour voter I CANNOT vote for a party which will DESTROY the hard won rights of women. For the reasons below I am going to the polling station but spoiling my vote for the first time ever, and I'm 59.

Genuine question... do you care more about this than millions of hungry children, ambulance waiting times that are killing people who would otherwise survive, homelessness, sewage in our rivers...? Such a bizarre thing to allow all of that to continue in preference of one issue.

Newbutoldfather · 04/07/2024 08:46

I will vote and always have, but it is hard when none of the parties are honest about the challenges faced. Just looking at the two main contenders:

Immigration: Tories bring in probably illegal and certainly distasteful Rwanda policy, at the same time being unable to process asylum seekers at a sensible pace or look after them properly. Lots of hand waving but no solutions to massive nation changing legal migration.

Labour:

‘Here’s what Labour will do on immigration

  1. Boost Britain’s skills by joining-up Whitehall systems to spot and tackle skills shortages – so we can fire up skills training rather than look overseas to fill skills gaps, and end the days of sectors languishing on the shortage of skills list without a plan to deal with the problem.
  2. Reform the points-based immigration system, bringing down migration. We will instruct the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) to partner with other government agencies to ensure joined-up action to deliver the skills needed for growth, including priority sectors for our industrial strategy. We will work to reduce the need for international recruitment, boost per-capita growth, and ensure quick responses to changes in the labour market.
  3. New powers to ban hiring from overseas for employers and recruitment agencies who break employment law. An end to workplace exploitation, where migration is used as a way to undercut the terms and conditions of workers here. ‘

Total waffle! As if any government hasn’t tried all the above. All of the above is more civil service than politics, and no meaningful targets or conditions.

Taxation:

Tories, pretty much steady as she goes, with no new taxes and stealth taxes continuing.

Labour: No meaningful clues except some populist taxes which won’t put many voters off, taxes on non doms, private schools (which even if it works, will increase tax revenues by around 0.2%), utilities etc.

But they will need to raise meaningful revenues to improve public services, so we have no idea where these will come from.

Education:

Tories: Have been disastrous, no meaningful new ideas.

Labour:

‘Recruitment and retention

  1. Recruit 6,500 new expert teachers in key shortage subjects, support areas that face recruitment challenges and tackle retention issues.
  2. Review the way bursaries are allocated and the structure of retention payments.
  3. Reinstate the School Support Staff Negotiating Body to address the recruitment and retention crisis in support roles.
  4. Update the Early Career Framework and ensure any new teacher entering the classroom has, or is working towards, qualified teacher status (QTS).
  5. Introduce a new teacher training entitlement “to ensure teachers stay up to date on best practice with continuing professional development”.’

Again, total meaningless waffle. They can’t find the 6,500 teachers and, even if they could, is that more than enough to just offset population growth?

NHS:

Tories: They have presided over the collapse of the NHS.

Labour: Here they are slightly better, actually pledging £1.3 bio (again an absolutely minuscule amount, between 0.1 and 0.2% of total tax) to buy some more scanners. But they do have a slightly more detailed policy, although not great!

In reality, though, both parties are relying on ‘growth’ to pay for a lot of their wish list and neither are prepared to commit to where they want total taxation to be as a percentage of GDP or to meaningful reform of the tax system until they are in power.

So we don’t really know how much tax they intend to take, or from where, or what they will spend it on.

The opposition will claim that they need to be in power to gain the resources to address the challenge, but parties used to be far more honest about this (look at Thatcher vs Foot, a clear choice based on an honest stating of priorities).

Electorates, rightly, feel they are being played for fools and become apathetic. As I said, I will vote, but it is with a degree of reluctance.

Labour plans to restore support staff body

The SSSNB was established under the previous Labour government but abolished in 2010

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/labour-plans-restore-support-staff-body

AmelieTaylor · 04/07/2024 08:49

FailBetter · 03/07/2024 23:09

Same here if you insert passport for driving licence.
I do wonder how many of us are going to be screwed over by the ID requirement being brought in or those who have no ID at all!

@FailBetter

Unless people are ND (and even then...???) why isn't an important item like a passport in a known place? Unless they never drive why isn't their D/L in their purse/wallet/bag (something they'd take in the car)?

& people who aren't capable of organising, the much advertised, FREE voter ID, probably shouldn't be voting anyway.

EdwinH · 04/07/2024 08:55

Tomorrow, we're either going to wake up to Labour in power and the Tories in Opposition, or to Labour in power and the LibDems in Opposition.

The election's far from a done deal, because who comes second is as important or perhaps even more important than who comes first.

Why? Because that will influence the whole tone of the next 5 years.

Tories: Immigrant-bashing, Rwanda, culture wars etc. Basically what we've seen from them already, dialled up to 11.

LibDems: Brexit, PR and holding Labour to account on the things that matter.

That's something worth going out to vote for, isn't it?

If the LibDem scenario sounds more appealing, then vote tactically to make it happen.

You can find out which party is best placed to beat the Tories where you live by visiting https://stopthetories.vote/

It takes into account the latest polls, and other local factors.

You still have the chance to shape tomorrow, and choose which road Britain will go down. Please don't miss it.

Whatever your political view, please
4thJuly2024 · 04/07/2024 08:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/07/2024 22:30

get out and vote tomorrow. Turnout is predicted to be historically low.

Voting is a privilege. Yes, I know that so many are far from inspired this time but there must be a party the policies of which you generally agree with.

Please vote. It’s so important.

@MrsSkylerWhite

see, this thinking makes no sense to me.

if people aren't engaged, haven't bothered to research what the parties 'say' they're going to do, but more importantly examine what they HAVENT said, what they've said/done previously, what's the point in them voting?

Sarahconnor1 · 04/07/2024 09:11

LibDems: Brexit, PR and holding Labour to account on the things that matter.

Libdems also in favour of self ID, the removal of the spousal exit clause and the destruction of single sex spaces.

They would be a disaster for women in opposition to Labour

whatdoeschangemeanwithnodetails · 04/07/2024 09:12

I've already voted by post. But sounds like they could save the money and just go on the opinion polls (yep the polls really get up my nose, they are so sure they know what people will do). I think they probably should be banned during election campaigns.
The choice is so bad I wouldn't blame anyone for not voting. I feel very let down by the Tories (I want more investment in public services not tax cuts, and I want green issues addressed not kicked into the long grass) but Starmer has nothing to offer just crossing his fingers on economic growth and I am very worried about him making planning easier (he has ditched green plans). I also think he is totally disingenuous (I'm not religious but pray with my family, I would never use private healthcare...) Depressing.

whatdoeschangemeanwithnodetails · 04/07/2024 09:15

Lib dems in opposition!? They are a total joke. Davey has just been on one long jolly during the election campaign. What a wally.

whatdoeschangemeanwithnodetails · 04/07/2024 09:18

Sarahconnor1 · 04/07/2024 08:35

Talking of apathy, I haven't had a single canvasser this GE.

I live in a safe Labour seat, so i assume Labour take our votes for granted and no-one else could be bothered

It's the most uninspiring GE campaign I have ever witnessed. I'll still go and vote but I can understand why others don't bother.

Ditto for me. Only yesterday was our lazy local Labour MP out canvassing - he's no doubt been in marginals all this time. I don't think you deserve the seat if you don't bother canvassing.

EdwinH · 04/07/2024 09:30

whatdoeschangemeanwithnodetails · 04/07/2024 09:15

Lib dems in opposition!? They are a total joke. Davey has just been on one long jolly during the election campaign. What a wally.

Are you saying the Tories would be better? Those are the only two choices on offer. There's no dream third scenario where we get the nice things we all really want.

GertrudeKerfuffle · 04/07/2024 09:37

IF YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR ID

You can apply for an Emergency Proxy vote until 5pm, see info here

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/ways-vote/emergency-proxy-vote

If you want to do this, get in touch with your local Electoral/Democratic services office ASAP.

Projectme · 04/07/2024 13:25

whatdoeschangemeanwithnodetails · 04/07/2024 09:18

Ditto for me. Only yesterday was our lazy local Labour MP out canvassing - he's no doubt been in marginals all this time. I don't think you deserve the seat if you don't bother canvassing.

ditto. except I'm in a very safe Tory seat. It's so safe that not one of the other parties candidates have bothered to canvas either. We've just had leaflet drops from all parties.

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