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Lindsay Hoyle

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Hurrydash · 22/02/2024 00:02

Anyone think his behaviour/judgement today is a disgrace for someone supposed to be impartial.

I won't argue with anyone who suggests tories are not always above board but is the alternative any different.

I fear not.

Starmer v Sunak is one very small step up from Trump v Biden.

Don't we deserve better?

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/02/2024 08:55

Hurrydash · 25/02/2024 02:24

All very valid points.

However, I think the key issue here is Hoyle screwed up. He knows he did and apologised twice.

Reason his position has to be questioned is not because he did Starmer a favour by suppressing the divisions in the Labour Party. That's just political noise.

But as I understand it he said his decision was in part at least based on a desire for protecting MPs from violence from Palestinians.

Surely that is the police's job?

Or am I missing something?

Well, yes. It is the police's job to protect MPs, but we know that doesn't always work. While we hope that the police will manage to keep everyone safe, I don't suppose that many MPs are 100% confident in their ability to do so. I think the fears are real and justified.... these people have seen two of their colleagues murdered in recent years, and many more of them have experienced serious threats and harassment.

Hoyle got it wrong the other day, and he has apologised for his error of judgement. I agree with those who say that we can't allow threats of violence to change the way our parliament operates. However, I don't believe that Hoyle's decision was motivated by party politics, as many have tried to suggest. I do think it was a decision made out of genuine and justifiable concern for the safety and wellbeing of his colleagues. And yes, perhaps his approach wasn't the best way of responding to those concerns, as he has acknowledged, but I don't think a misguided attempt to protect the lives of others is grounds for demanding his resignation either.

EasternStandard · 25/02/2024 09:00

Hurrydash · 25/02/2024 02:24

All very valid points.

However, I think the key issue here is Hoyle screwed up. He knows he did and apologised twice.

Reason his position has to be questioned is not because he did Starmer a favour by suppressing the divisions in the Labour Party. That's just political noise.

But as I understand it he said his decision was in part at least based on a desire for protecting MPs from violence from Palestinians.

Surely that is the police's job?

Or am I missing something?

You’re right threats should not influence democratic process. Otherwise we may as well throw the keys to the mob

You’re also correct on Starmer urging Hoyle so he could avoid a 100 MP revolt which was incredibly poor

As for safety it looks like we’re funding extra security for MPs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/02/24/mps-given-bodyguards-as-extremism-threat-rises/

Also in The Guardian and other press

Bodyguards for MPs as extremism threat rises

Israel-Hamas conflict is ‘generational moment' of radicalisation, police chief warns as Rishi Sunak says protests being ‘hijacked'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/02/24/mps-given-bodyguards-as-extremism-threat-rises/

TizerorFizz · 25/02/2024 15:26

I think speaker Hoyle is a good speaker. I don’t think his one mistake is worth forcing him to go. Many others make mistakes and he has realised he was wrong. So it won’t happen again. The Laura Kuenssberg’s piece for BBC news app reveals how worried some MPs are. Very few are getting protection and most people think the police don’t offer sufficient protection. When MPs are harried in the street and their homes are targeted, the police must act. We then get the Anderson comments which add fuel to the fire. If action was taken much sooner, the likes of Anderson would not be whipping up the Right so successfully.

Hurrydash · 13/03/2024 22:07

In the last few weeks has shown many terrible errors of judgement imo.

Suppressing debate because of fears of the 'mob' is just so wrong.

Today also was pretty disastrous for him.

He has to go. He's a joke.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 14/03/2024 15:24

He was useless yesterday. A Labour MP was unable to speak despite standing up to get Hoyle's attention no less than 46 times. All this whilst a chamber full of men fully debated a racist and misogynistic insult which was actually made about her. Disgraceful.

PoppingTomorrow · 14/03/2024 16:24

The whole concept of taking one MP to be Speaker is questionable in my view.

One constituency loses their elected representative - he can't ask questions in the House on their behalf.

It's a thankless task - damned if he does and if he doesn't

He is expected to be apolitical/neutral when the reason he's in the House of commons is because he campaigned to be elected on behalf of a specific political party.

Anyone who had that role in a corporate environment would get on the job training.

But it was ridiculous that a black woman spent 30 mins being talked about without being able to speak herself on her own experience.

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