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Voter ID will be required from next year

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Emotionalsupportviper · 10/12/2022 18:37

Voters will need photo-ID to vote in May 23 local/Mayoral elections and at the next General Election.
If you don't have a passport or photo-driving licence you can get a free Voter ID at citizencard.com using code FREEVOTERID.
Please spread the word. #ukelections

Thanks to CitizenCard on Twitter for the above information.

The discussion is on this thread

twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1601520797579116544

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Newlifestartingatlast · 16/12/2022 16:54

caringcarer · 16/12/2022 16:23

Good, this stops some people voting twice.

This is not a significant issue - it is extremely rare in this country due to the general apathy in politics 🤷🏼‍♀️In 2017 there was one single conviction. In 2018 there was not a single case. On average in most years, about 300 offenses are committed relating to electoral fraud- the vast majority of these are CAMPAIGN offences ranging from relatively minor things like not declaring publisher detials on campaign materials, to more serious misuse of funds by..err..the Tories. Don’t see the Tories passing laws to prevent them form misuse political donations and other funds to sway voters.

voter ID cards will not stop an electoral fraud type that really does not exist in anything but very very rare exceptions. - if that individual in 2017 can forge ID to get voting now based on addressed letters to named householders , they still forge anyway

im not usually paranoid about government information but this is definitely a back door to ID cards to be carried at all times. It won’t be long before it is mandated, then the police can ask to see it and really this is much more likely to be the reason. The Tories know they’d not get ID cards through votes based on that, so this is softening up tactics. It is also extremely cynical as those that vote Tory will certainly be much more likely to have driver license or passport. It is the already disenfranchised that will struggle with this - those in temporary accommodation, single parents who haven’t got time to piss around trying to get other ID, disabled and long term sick for same reason, people with mental illness, people with addictions, the poorly educated and informed who simply won’t be aware of voting requirements - they probably don’t vote now, but why are the Tories putting up hurdles to make it even more unlikely they’d vote. Ask yourself that?

how this was made a law beings shame to all MPs who did not vote against it

Newlifestartingatlast · 16/12/2022 16:59

Here is the government committee report with that data
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/38405/html/
more shockingly is the amount of people refused voting during the trials - who then did not return to vote with suitable ID . And the misleading stats that the government told parliament.
read the whole thing.

Cookie79 · 16/12/2022 17:22

It’s also sounds like administrative nightmare and I can’t see polling station staff being too keen on having to front this either.

EngTech · 16/12/2022 17:27

Big data gathering?

Shades of 1984, which was a warning not a blueprint 😳

RoseslnTheHospital · 22/12/2022 12:40

This gives full info on what documents will be accepted as voter Id:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/voter-identification-at-polling-stations-and-the-new-voter-card/protecting-the-integrity-of-our-elections-voter-identification-at-polling-stations-and-the-new-voter-card#annex-a-list-of-identity-documents-that-will-be-accepted

If you don't have one of those forms of ID, then you can apply via GOV.UK or local authority websites, for free, for a Voter Authority Certificate which will be an A4 certificate with your photo and details on. This system to issue these has not yet been set up, eg the Bedford Borough Council website says that the system is expected to be available from Jan 2023 (www.bedford.gov.uk/your-council/elections-and-voting/voter-id-requirements-may-2023) so no one should be claiming they can issue these as yet.

I think that people will turn up at polling stations and if they don't have ID, many will just not bother returning even if they do have ID. And of course, if they don't have ID it's already too late to acquire some and then vote. So turnout is going to plummet, and vulnerable sections of society who already have significant barriers to accessing voting will be further isolated. All for an issue that doesn't really exist in the UK.

DownNative · 12/02/2023 16:55

The Electoral Commission recognises the need to make the GB voting procedure more secure in order to inspire confidence in the system.

And boost turnout.

This is the true reason voter ID was introduced in Northern Ireland in the first place. It's been successful and will be so in GB.

The Electoral Commission frequently cite Northern Ireland as an example to follow.

Fact is if voters in the poorest part of the United Kingdom have no problem with Voter ID.....there's no reason to suppose voters in the more better off parts of the UK will struggle to get to grips with it all.

The poorest part of the UK? Northern Ireland where ID is required before you can vote.

It seems to me its mostly lefties in Great Britain who have an irrational fear of this disadvantaging their favoured party. Quite curious how lefties in Northern Ireland don't share the same irrational fear.

Or those in the Republic of Ireland for that matter.

The people of GB will have little problems getting on with voter ID. If some can't afford it, well it's FREE! It's not rocket science!

And here is the findings of the Electoral Commission on the voter ID pilot in 2019:

"The data and findings presented in our evaluation build on the evidence base provided by the 2018 pilot scheme. This evidence further clarifies the way in which a voter ID scheme could be delivered in Great Britain.

However, we are not able to draw definitive conclusions, from these pilots, about how an ID requirement would work in practice, particularly at a national poll with higher levels of turnout or in areas with different socio-demographic profiles not fully represented in the pilot scheme."

So, they say they weren't able to draw definitive conclusions which doesn't match the doom 'n gloom narrative several have given in this thread.

And they went on to say the following:

"If the policy is to be developed further, Government and Parliament should consider carefully the available evidence about the impact of different approaches on the accessibility and security of polling station voting in Great Britain.

This should include evidence from the experience of polling station voters in Northern Ireland, who have been required to show ID since 1985 (including requiring photo ID since 2003), as well as the evidence from the local pilot schemes in both 2018 and 2019."

Essentially, Northern Ireland should be looked to for best practice on the requirement of voter ID. As already shown with no serious argument against it, Northern Ireland already shows requiring voter ID does work!

As for accessibility to voter ID, they stated:

"While a large majority of people already have access to an acceptable form of photo ID, allowing only existing forms of officially issued photo ID would not be accessible for everyone.

To make sure voting at polling stations remains accessible, there would need to be other options for people who do not already have an acceptable form of photo ID. This could involve providing free of charge locally issued photo ID, as currently provided for electors in Northern Ireland.

Alternatively, it could involve allowing voters to use their poll card – on the current model or a different model – as the primary or secondary route to proving identity, depending on the level of security required."

And:

"Locally issued ID that includes a photo – like the electoral identity card currently provided in Northern Ireland – would be more secure than locally issued ID without a photo."

And:

"Some groups of people would find it harder than others to show photo ID in a polling station, although this could be mitigated if locally issued photo voter cards were easily available for all."

Once again, we find that Northern Ireland is held up in this regard for best practice. Essentially, GB would follow best practice from us in Northern Ireland and, if necessary, tweak anything that is needed to ensure best function.

Really, I think it's tribalism in the vein of Labour v Conservatives that's at the heart of any opposition in this thread. Pretty much driven by those who vote Labour based on an irrational fear.

But the Electoral Commission is very clear Voter ID becoming a requirement DOES work.

The Electoral Commission's concerns was related to the short time table for Local Elections in May, IIRC.

Not with the principle of requirements for voter ID itself. Important distinction.

It will apply to General Elections in England from October 2023, so plenty of time to get it right having learnt best practice from Northern Ireland.

Grantanow · 02/03/2023 11:20

Totally unnecessary. A scam by the Tories. Disgraceful.

NewBootsAndRanty · 02/03/2023 11:23

Thanks for this thread - I've applied for and received my Voter Authority Certificate from my council.

DownNative · 02/03/2023 16:01

NewBootsAndRanty · 02/03/2023 11:23

Thanks for this thread - I've applied for and received my Voter Authority Certificate from my council.

Glad to hear it!

How long did it take for your VAC to arrive?

NewBootsAndRanty · 02/03/2023 16:03

Couple of weeks I think.

DownNative · 03/03/2023 08:55

NewBootsAndRanty · 02/03/2023 16:03

Couple of weeks I think.

That's no time at all! Glad to hear that.

Grantanow · 25/03/2023 09:00

It's so obviously a Tory scam to suppress anti-Tory votes. Totally unnecessary given the trivial extent of voter fraud

Wedoronron · 25/03/2023 09:06

caringcarer · 16/12/2022 16:23

Good, this stops some people voting twice.

This is from the electoral commission on the number of voter fraud cases in 2021
"315 cases of alleged electoral fraud were investigated by the police during 2021. None of these cases led to a conviction. Police issued cautions in one case."

One caution. ONE caution and they bring this in. If it isn't Tories trying to manipulate the figures god knows what it is.

caringcarer · 25/03/2023 09:24

Most people who vote twice are completely undetected so not even investigated, hence low detection figures. Many students actually boasted they had voted where at Uni and where their home region was. Not enough staff to investigate every student. Notices up in some campus 'vote early, vote often'. This will stop any of these students who vote twice.

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/03/2023 15:03

@caringcarer how do students get on the electoral role in two places?

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/03/2023 15:17

Never mind, have found the answer to my own question.

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