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Labour policies unrealistic

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puds11 · 22/11/2019 07:21

I’ve just been reading through the 12 main policies (according to BBC) and can’t help but think pretty much all of them sound unrealistic and like they will result in national debt.

Does anyone else think this? Or can anyone explain how it won’t?

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puds11 · 22/11/2019 17:32

It’s very ambitious. I just hope not too ambitious.

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OhWhatAPalaver · 22/11/2019 17:55

velveteenfruitbowl I'm not sure what parallel universe you're living in but I think you need to take a good look around you and see for yourself what suffering the tories have caused. Privatisation benefits no one but the rich. Most other successful economies realised this long ago. Nationising services is in the best interest of the public and will create large numbers of jobs. A green revolution will create jobs. A properly funded NHS will create jobs.
I don't think a lot of people realise quite how short staffed the NHS is. Currently we are short of 40,000 nurses, 20,000 doctors and the total staff shortfall amounts to over 125,000. This is the tories' legacy. They have caused this by scrapping nursing bursaries, deliberate underfunding, creating a hostile environment for immigrants and, of course, brexit.
This is not accidental. It is a deliberate destruction of our NHS. People are dying every day because there aren't enough staff. I've seen it with my own eyes when I was unfortunate enough to get concussion recently. Ambulances unable to off load because the corridors are full of patients on trollies. A&E waiting rooms so full there are no seats. People on the floor, some bleeding, crying out in pain. A waiting room filled with the stench of vomit. Actual shit on the floor. A twelve hour wait to be seen by a doctor. It is terrifying and heartbreaking.

cdtaylornats · 22/11/2019 22:55

A simple lesson for the economically challenged - austerity wass about the deficit not the debt.

Monsterinmyshoe · 23/11/2019 07:36

Agree with you getmeacupoftea and agree you might not like Labour, but you still don't have to vote Tory. When you actually look at the manifestos, most are spending, not cutting, including Tories, so are they all wrong?

As many people have posted on here, we have had years of austerity which has not improved national debt at all, but many people have got richer. The way the economy is managed is terrible. It is not to benefit all of the country. I think after Christmas when all the retail companies have had a poor performance and are going bust with pepe losing jobs, and you then see the vultures swoop in buying them all up and monopolising the high street, you will realise just how bad it has got. They are currently selling off dead bits of their businesses to free up cash to do this. It's obvious what is coming.

I actually think that what Labour are about to do is more likely to work than maintaining the status quo. The tories have fudged their numbers so much over the years, it is much worse than people think. That's why the Tories have suddenly found the magic money tree after declaring we have no money. It is glaringly obvious now with things falling apart and schools asking for money to keep functioning that they can't keep cutting funding without people getting angry. However I still don't trust them, and I think we still won't see much of the investment. The money will end up in the wrong hands as usual.

I don't know why people worry about houses being built. Bit unkind to those of us who need housing. Agree that the housing needs to be energy efficient and well built, but I wouldn't say more affordable housing is a bad thing at all.

And as for Brexit, well, I think it is right to remain neutral and give us the chance to decide. Why the obsession with taking sides and being in a gang? They are not teenagers.

Despite the above still not sure who to vote for yet though!

TiddleTaddleTat · 23/11/2019 09:59

I recommend that anyone concerned about Labour's economic strategy looks up leading economists' views of the Labour manifesto. That Paul Johnson from the IFS has a total monopoly on TV and that is never fair or representative. Many leading economists have reacted positively to Labour's plans, in fact saying they don't even go far enough re. Ambition.
For me, the idea of bringing us closer in line to the way Scandinavia's state functions is precisely where I want to be. I have relatives that have moved to Sweden and Denmark and it is just a much fairer and more democratic society.
As others have said, it is hard to envision what this could be like as we have lived with Tory or neolibera ideas for so long it has been drilled into us that there is no alternative. But there is!

Monsterinmyshoe · 23/11/2019 11:14

Tiddle

It's funny you should say that about Scandinavian countries. When I've compared their way of life (particularly with wages and childcare) it is much more favourable. Even if we do leave we can still have a system similar to Norway if that's what we are aiming for. It just seems much more fairer and centred towards getting the best out of people but by facilitating their development and providing a decent work life balance, rather than just trying to squeeze every penny out of them by shoving them into crap situations. It's a more supportive approach, rather than authoritarian.

FinallyHere · 23/11/2019 13:55

Even if we do leave we can still have a system similar to Norway if that's what we are aiming for.

One difference between us and Norway is that Norway has kept the proceeds of the oil found off their shores in a trust and spends only the interest gained on projects to benefit their citizens. The UK spent theirs, had a strong GB pound for a while and there is precious little left

fedup21 · 23/11/2019 13:57

That Paul Johnson from the IFS has a total monopoly on TV

Who actually are the IFS? You see them quoted a lot, and think, ‘ooh, they are independent’, but are they really?

puds11 · 23/11/2019 18:02

I think the more I think about it, the more I think I probably will vote labour as although there are large elements I disagree with, the fundamentals such as nhs and lessoning the poor/rich divide are things I strongly agree with.

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Littletabbyocelot · 23/11/2019 18:15

I can't take criticisms of the Labour manifesto seriously when they cite Labour causing austerity. It was known at the time that austerity is one of the worst things you can do in response to financial crisis (they teach it, in detail in GCSE history and university level economics) and its easy to Google and see that it was a complete failure. It was never a necessity, it was an ideological choice.

I'm not on board with everything, but I think Tory policies are far more damaging.

cdtaylornats · 24/11/2019 15:01

There will certainly be less of a rich / poor divide as anyone really rich will flee the country taking their money with them.

Look to Scotland to see what left-wing policies do to the NHS. It's like they use Yes, Minister as a training video. The new children's hospital in Edinburgh was two weeks from opening when the plug was pooled because of raw sewage leaking in. It might open in a year or so, but Holyrood is still handing millions to the contractors and the hospital is staffed.

Private companies are being brought in with temporary operating theatres and their own surgeons to do routine ops.

Scans and X-rays are being farmed out to Australian and Indian companies to analyse.

puds11 · 26/11/2019 11:49

It’s all such a mess Sad

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