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Who wants to join with me to vent about Corbyn?

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allthatmalarkey · 17/01/2019 20:19

Please come and commiserate with me, or better still, help me think of something we can do. Jeremy Corbyn and his faction are an abject failure as a progressive opposition. With the party hijacked by his devotees, it’s unlikely he will be replaced as leader regardless of how many elections he loses (for my explanation of the word hijacked see * below to save me posting further). The Greens (still too small) and the LibDems (too much baggage) are in no position to fill the vacuum. The SNP are the SNP.

Is there anything progressive voters can do? It feels wrong to ditch the Labour party after all the history and all the sacrifice people like my parents made for it, but is this the time to start a new party? For me, our politics have reached such a stalemate that we need parties who expect to be in coalition, know how to stay on good enough terms to do deals with opponents and to make compromises. I also feel that first past the post is way past its sell-by-date – Theresa May seems oblivious to the fact that she’s in minority government.

The Conservative party are in in meltdown. We have a national crisis. Despite this gift, Corbyn and co being ridiculous. I’m not looking for much, right now I just want a sensible outcome to the Brexit mess. To hear a Labour MP today pointing out that the leader of the Labour party was prepared to meet Hamas, Hezbollah, the Assad Regime and Iran without preconditions, but not the British prime minister underlined just how preposterous Corbyn and his puppetmasters are.

The Corbynites, their shameful anti-semitism (not my friends, but a member of my family and you can’t choose them), their discredited-forty-years-ago economics, their class-war prejudice just cannot draw broad support. Not to mention the equivocation about the EU.

So Mumsnet, if you’ve made it with me this far, what is to be done? And if you have no idea either, please feel free to use this thread to vent.

  • Hijacked: This just isn’t the Labour Party. I was brought up by Labour activists (I feel so sorry for my mum, after all her hard work). This is just not the Labour Party of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, or 00s, the Labour party of Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson, Neil Kinnock, John Smith. I understand how people feel about Blair (I demonstrated against the invasion of Iraq in 2003) and Brown, but at least they were IN government and they did pursue progressive policies. They won three elections. The Labour party had never won two consecutive elections before.

The Corbyn lot used to be just a tiny faction, blamed for scuppering elections for the rest of the party time and again. God knows how Neil Kinnock must feel after battling Militant in the 80s (‘there can’t be a party within a party’). Momentum are an extremist movement which spotted an opportunity, stole a march on the mainstream Labour party and used C21st methods to stage a takeover. They just don’t represent the majority of Labour voters (or Labour MPs). My evidence for this is that Labour are neck and neck with the Tories in the polls, but Theresa May’s abysmal approval ratings are way above Jeremy Corbyn’s.

My second piece of evidence is from the 2017 general election. The reality is that Corbyn lost the last election, but it was hailed by his supporters as if it was a victory. Labour should have won this, but three weeks from the election date they were polling just 26/7%. Corby-supporting friends on Facebook were dismayed, they couldn’t understand it. The Labour vote only picked up when other progressive voters realised that a) at least Corbyn had pledged to get rid of tuition fees and b) they couldn’t face a TM coronation and hard Brexit. It wasn’t some moment of conversion to hard left politics.

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madeyemoodysmum · 17/01/2019 20:31

My opinion of him is he is a self congratulating incompetent small man who does nothing for this country or labour

I’m a floating voter. I tend to vote with the best policy’s that I like at the time of the election and I’m not loyal to a party.

But right now I would not trust labour or Corbyn with a child’s tea party let alone this massive issue.

Labour need a strong leader and I don’t see anyone who could do this right now.

madeyemoodysmum · 17/01/2019 20:33

Oh and to add I’m not a Teresa fan but I have to admire her tenacity to stick to this job!!

Most pms would have quit long ago.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 17/01/2019 20:45

Vent away. He won't be the leader forever. And the previous leader wasn't liked either and didn't win elections so very likely the next one won't have any more success. Blair must have been a blip in political history.

Since tories are likely to be in power after the next election, I'm more worried about who's going to follow may as pm. There are not many moderate or centrist tory MPs in parliament either.

allthatmalarkey · 17/01/2019 21:54

So the choice becomes ever more right or left wing. Does this actually represent the country? And whilst you're right @SisterOfDonFrancisco he won't be leader forever, it's hard to see what would ever topple him. His supporters piled in on cheap joining fees. This has lost Labour more moderate members. I don't see a way back to the mainstream for Labour for the some time and there is likely to be another general election in the next 12 months.

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cdtaylornats · 17/01/2019 21:58

While Corbyn has been forbidding talks with May, Hilary Benn and Yvette Cooper have been ignoring him.

WrongKindOfFace · 17/01/2019 21:59

I’m not particularly a Corbyn fan, but I do feel that the focus should be on May and her fuck ups. (And allegedly the Tories also want no deal off the table). There isn’t an awful lot he can do right now, he’s not the PM. When it all does go to shit May and her government will be to blame.

moredoll · 17/01/2019 22:08

Corbyn = crap.
But it's hard to see how any rational person could vote for the Tories. They encompass on the one hand Jacob Leads Fogg and on the other Anna Soubry, so what are you voting for there?

allthatmalarkey · 18/01/2019 10:07

All the focus is on May, but Corbyn is part of the problem. His policy on the EU is all over the place. In reality he has always wanted to leave, but his younger supporters are pro-European so he clams up when pressed rather than tell his supporters his true position or lie to them to keep them happy.

In the referendum, the shock was that Labour voters got Brexit over the line. If they had had better leadership on this, that might not have happened. If there were a serious opposition, then the 48% (56% on latest polls) might have proper representation. Instead, the two main parties support Brexit. The 48%+ are being left as an afterthought.

If we went into a general election this year with everything still the same, we would get the same outcome as 2017.

If we end up with a new Tory leader by the end of the year (very likely) we will probably have a general election sooner rather than later so they can try for an outright majority. If Jeremy Corbyn is still Labour leader, they will get it.

Imagine Boris with a majority and you can understand my despair.

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butterfly56 · 18/01/2019 10:11

Labour have no chance of ever being voted back in with this numpty in charge!
As my gran used to say.... "Put his brain in a budgie and it'll fly backwards"!! Grin

HappydaysArehere · 18/01/2019 10:26

Oh! Goodness. You are so right. I don’t know what to add except to say that allthatmalarky has completely reiterated my thoughts. I am heartbroken about how the Labour Party has been hijacked by the looney left. I was forced to vote Tory in the last election and that was a first! Now Corbyn won’t even discuss the Brexit mess and it is easy to see why. He hasn’t anything to offer except hot air and a demand for another election. He was never going to support the government, not even if the deal was gold plated. I weep for the Labour Party but am unconsolable for our country.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 18/01/2019 11:25

Happy, you weren't forced to vote tories, you chose to out of free will as is your right.

sherrysfortea · 18/01/2019 11:29

I wish he would just stand up as a proper opposition should do and show some real leadership skills. The conservatives are in absolute shambles and this should be an opportune moment for his party, but no. He's just shown himself as a spineless and self serving weasel.

I wish they could have someone competent as their leader, I currently have no idea how I would vote in a general election and have always been a labour supporter.

The only thing that people can do is write to MPs if you live in a labour constituency? Maybe? But if it's clear his whole party is against them it makes them appear just as shambolic as the conservatives. What a fuck up.

Lumpy76 · 18/01/2019 11:32

Corbyn is a communist and is a deeply unpleasant person. The Labour Party should get rid of him ASAP. I don’t think that the majority of corbynistas actually know what and who he is!

If he were to get into power I (along with my family - dh and children) would emigrate. I have voted labour in the past fwiw so I’m not some hardened Tory!! My political views are centrist.

DarkDarkNight · 18/01/2019 11:43

He hasn’t forbidden his Party to hold talks, he has ruled out talks about a No-deal Brexit which he has every right to do.

Has there ever been a Politician who has had more biased reporting against him? All I see is a decent man who has always held firm with his principles. Utterly terrifying to the Tory party and the Media. Really bored of the anti-Semite label from the right-wing press.

The Tories don’t need Jeremy Corbyn’s help, they’re making an omnishambles of this all on their own.

Who wants to join with me to vent about Corbyn?
Who wants to join with me to vent about Corbyn?
CallMeSirShotsFired · 18/01/2019 11:47

JC is absolutely desperate to get his feet under the table of number 10, and he will use any means possible to do so, including using Brexit as cover for it.

He doesn't give a shiny shit about the actual issue, nor does he have the means ability, gravitas or standing to get any form of "better deal" despite what he keeps bleating. He is 100% for himself.

It's come to a sorry state when the current rubbish is an order of magnitude better than the irrecoverable shitshow that would be a Corbyn/Abbot/McConnell government would bring us.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 18/01/2019 11:53

I'm fairly sure global warming is corbyns fault as well.

noblegiraffe · 18/01/2019 11:54

That letter says Labour has set out a clear framework for a deal - have they? What’s their position in freedom of movement?

Amateurish · 18/01/2019 11:56

You can't "rule out" a no deal. No deal is what happens when Parliament does not approve a deal. By refusing to cooperate with the Government and compromising on a deal acceptable to all parties, Corbyn is making a "no deal" inevitable.

Moussemoose · 18/01/2019 11:58

Lumpy76 I don't like Corbyn. I'm no Corbyn apologist but he is not a communist.

I don't actually think communist is an insult, it's a political designation and Corbyn is a socialist.

Trampire · 18/01/2019 12:03

Indeed, a no-deal can't just be 'off the table'

As someone said on question time last night - "if you were buying a car or a house would you open the negotiations by saying 'before we begin I want to let you that whatever happens I will most definitely will not be walking away and I WILL buy no matter what'. Do you think you'd get s good deal in those circumstances?"

Nobody wants a no-deal. No-one. But no-deal is a default setting fur not agreeing a deal.

I think Corbyn is being ridiculous.

I'm a floating voter too. Very much a centrist. Every week I live in hope that Labour might wake up and change their leader.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 18/01/2019 12:16

But even if by some miracle labour managed to get rid of Corbyn, Momentum would install another far left extremist. There is no going back to the centre!

Trampire · 18/01/2019 12:22

Very probably Walking. There's no answer to that. It's just deadlock.

Lumpy76 · 18/01/2019 13:24

@moussemoose Taken from the Financial Times...he’s a communist in all but name!
Mr Corbyn for many years wrote a regular column in Morning Star, the Socialist daily newspaper with close links to the party. (Its predecessor, The Daily Worker, was founded by the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1930.) He surprised guests at Morning Star’s Christmas party last year and, along with his inner circle, is said to be a regular reader.
Andrew Murray, one of the Labour leader’s advisers, was — until recently — a Communist party member. Seumas Milne, Mr Corbyn’s communications director, is also close to the party.

Lumpy76 · 18/01/2019 13:26

@walkingdeadfangirl I fear you are right!

Moussemoose · 18/01/2019 13:30

Corbyn is a socialist. Socialists and communists share a lot in common but one is not the other.