can you be a Corbyn supporter and a remainer?

[lucydogz]

Corbyn has obviously run a popular campaign, partly because he encourages young non-voters to get off their arses and vote. Wouldn't it have been wonderful if he'd done the same for the Referendum campaign, instead of being almost invisable, and very lukewarm when he spoke about the EU?

A friend of mine attended one of his meetings before the Referendum. As far as he was concerned he gave a strong speech and left no-one in any doubt about him wanting to remain.

He did not get a fair press. When the General Election came along, he was out and about on the streets and people to see how good he was. By then he didn't need the media - people could see it for themselves.

Completely agree with Petronius, I went to see the Labour Remain launch and he was incredibly passionate in his speech about voting to remain. Did any member of the national press come to cover it? No.

I was on the fence about voting leave/remain due to the way the EU had treated Greece and the fear of CETA and TTIP. Corbyn was one of the people to convince me to vote remain and I really don't like the way he's always blamed for the result.

In short, yes, I am a Corbyn-supporting Labour member and I voted against Brexit.

Brexit is the biggest thing that will affect us and our economy for the next few years. Labour can't enact their manifesto if we also Brexit - there simply isn't the money. In their manifesto they promised and end to freedom of movement. Which means we have to leave the single market and customs union as the EU have repeatedly said we can't have the latter without the former.

There is no possibility of a trade deal being enacted in the 2 years of A50 meaning we go on to WTO rules. If we do, huge sectors of the economy will relocated to the EU as they don't have business that can survive the extra tariffs. E.g. Car manufacturers.

This will cost our economy (this is Government treasury cost estimates) £45 billion a year. This is the entire education budget each year.

So the most pernicious lie from the Labour manifesto is we can have good public services AND Brexit. We can have one or the other, we can't have both.

TheCunk. It would seem you and I are the same person!

So, to the posters who think he did a good job, why were Labour remainders(like Alan Johnson) so angry about his behaviour during the referendum? Or is it because they were nasty blairites?

Not going to slag anyone off, Alan Johnson has admitted he was wrong about Corbyn and I'm glad to see so many of those that are more to the right of the party admit they were wrong. Corbyn never gave 100%, unreserved, support to the EU because he was honest about its faults - that resonated with people like me because hearing someone say the EU is fantastic and above reproach is wrong to me. I wanted a more grown-up discussion about the rights and wrongs of membership and then, on balance, he, along with others, convinced me to vote remain.

Corbyn gave a total of 123 appearances during the EU campaign, that's hardly the work of someone not pulling their weight. He was passionate about the reasons for staying but admitted the mistakes too. I find that far more convincing and less patronising than some other campaigners.

lucydogz I get that Corbyn doesn't appeal to you and you seem angry about the result of the referendum but why are you blaming him alone? Why not look at Cameron for calling the vote in order to appease his Tory backbenchers, what about Johnson's utterly irresponsible decision to back 'leave' on a whim?

We are coming out of the EU and my main worries are how we are going to afford it, how Brits living abroad and EU citizens living here are going to be affected along with human and workers' rights. The Tories scare me and now they've gone into partnership with the DUP I'm even more worried.

The 123 appearances reference comes from this report by Loughborough University.

It's quite illogical to support Corbyns labour and feel passionately that you want to remain in the EU. He has never made a secret of his desire to leave the EU and the hard left in his party also hate it. And he went on holiday during the referendum campaign which I can't forgive him for.

But this election hadn't been at all logical so perhaps it doesn't matter to people.

you know cunk, I think I'm going to do a very un-MN thing and say you're right. Corbyn's role does still annoy me, but there is lots of other stuff to get annoyed at. Thank you for the gentle poke.

Ah lucy, that's amazing!
Without wanting to sound ridiculous this really is a time for everyone to be working together. Way too much has happened here (and around the world) for us to all fall out. Here's to listening to and respecting each other!

amen to that

The ironic thing is that Jeremy Corbyn has hated the EU for ages and only half-heartedly campaigned to Remain whereas Theresa May was a Remainer but stayed quiet during the referendum for her own political gain. IF Jeremy Corbyn had won, I'd imagine he'd be much tougher with negotiations than Theresa and would be much more inclined to walk away with no deal.