Trump (Part 6)

[claig]

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It is a Trump world and as the Modi saying goes

“Aab Ki Baar Trump Sarkar”

and as the Stump for Trump Sisters say

"Get on the Trump Train or get the hell out of the way"

Rock'n'roll

This is the sort of bilge a 10 yr old can see right through. The "rebels" are made up of Al Qaeda, IS, mercenaries and men who have been forced to fight. How can a Prime Minister present such nonsense to the country?

They are really not, though.
Not saying that the Syriam rebels supported by the US or the UK (GB?) are above reproach, but it's not Al Qaeda or ISIS.
The problem ATM is that the Syrian government (and Russia) is much more concerned about the rebels than ISIS. TBH, I wonder why. And I've often thought that ISIS serves Putin's purposes very well.

And, claig, Trump wouldn't have got in if he said the same as all other politicians. His sales pitch was that he was different and for the people. As most such salesmen, he hardly knew what he was talking about, but he sells it well.
The thing is that we can only look at his administration and start to see the con unrolling.

Populism used pejoratively is mostly about the politicians themselves. But they have done a good job convincing people that it's about the voters.
It's easy to fall for populist demagogues. Unfortunately, when people realise their mistake, it's too late. It's a common phenomenon.

"I caught a bit of Newsnight over a week ago in which some talking head was saying that Russia has been clear-thinking about its role in Syria from the start, whereas GB has been supporting the rebels against Assad; it was our error, he said."

That was Sir Tony Brenton KCMG MPhil MA, Oxbridge. He is a top guy, we have got some very good, clever people and some of them are from Oxbridge too. He was the British Ambassador to Russia 2004-2008. Top guy, a rare breath of common sense among teh sea of Oxbridge graduates on the BBC.

'How can a Prime Minister present such nonsense to the country?'

I have come to the conclusion that it is most likely because he was a complete puppet.

Trump has challenged all of them and frightened all the nodding hens and their nonsense.

Erm...
Again, the premise is wrong. What Cameron presented was not what was on the post, which was in fact nonsense.

'And, claig, Trump wouldn't have got in if he said the same as all other politicians. His sales pitch was that he was different and for the people. '

Yes, but there is different and different. Trump has put the fear of God into every puppet politician on earth. The Camerons, the Blairs. the Junckers, the Merkels, the Clintons, the Hollandes, the crisis meetings at colleges in Oxbridge, the special seminars where spinners convene to try theie best to confound common sense, the BBC bigwigs booking guests to shout "bigot" at anyone wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat, the panic among the politically correct panjandrums and PPEs who have taken the piss out of the people persistently.

There has never been so much panic on earth as when Trump challenged the entire corrupt global establishment, it was like Tom chasing Jerry, it was like Bugs Bunny outwitting Cameron and Elmer Fudd.

Trump has challenged and petrified every politico on the planet. Only the people are laughing.

My boyfriend, Maajid Nawaz, has just stated on LBC radio 732 that multiculturalism in this country has FAILED. He's on now, from 12 noon to 2pm - listen.

Not saying that the Syriam rebels supported by the US or the UK (GB?) are above reproach, but it's not Al Qaeda or ISIS

Nonsense. ATM there are no rebels that are not terrorists. Someone convinced Europe and uSA that we had another way, and that was to support the moderates who wanted IS out and Assad as well. If they ever existed (which I do not believe), they would have supported the destruction of IS and then dealt with Assad.

On the other hand, you really have no idea how Iraq was while he was in power, do you?

Yes I do mate. I know some thru my Iraqi friends, and my ex-employer. Some are muslim some are christian. Life was perfectly fine; you went to school, then to college if you wanted, or into the military, travelled, etc. All faiths co-existed, and there were churches and synagogues. Speak to Saatchi, Iraqi Jewish.

I think Hussein's sons had a screw loose, definitely something wrong there but I am speaking about his rulership. For a MENA country, it was stable. Yes, I know about the gassing. Hussein was despotic, but then it has been said that some countries in that part of the world need a domineering ruler.

I've often thought that ISIS serves Putin's purposes very well

I dont see this at all. Russia in its south has several 'stans', which potentially could become enemies and, with the jihadis, could easily do a pincer movement against Russia.

The standoff at the moment is between the expansionist EU and Russia.

EU is interested in adding more nations to its membership and has its beady eye on Ukraine. Ukraine, although, impoverished will jump at the chance to be in the EU. Most of its men are overseas working and sending money back home. I know quite a few Ukrainians. I love them, they have an excellent work ethic and are fine people, but the sheer number that would move to various EU countries together with families is immense.

And of course Russia would then have the EU on its doorstep.

For a MENA country, it was stable.
Stable, yes. But to say that all coexisted peacefully is not true. It was all under a heavy hand of put up and shut up.
Not saying it's better now, but Iraq was far from peaceful.

My boyfriend, Maajid Nawaz

Really?

I wish !

S Korea agreeing to a trade deal with the UK after brexit. With Trump wanting to change NAFTA I think things will be great. Bring on the remoaners

Weird, why call him "my boyfriend"?

Those who know me on MN know that I have a crush on him.

The Trump idolatry going on here is really funny, seeing as he's done none of the "draining of the swamp" all of his appointments are establishment ( well Trump is himself obviously) and have links to lobby groups. Remember when Goldman Sachs were the bad guys according to Trump supporters? Well apparently some Goldman Sachs alumni are more equal than others.

None of your rantings stand up to any critical analysis, they are however, funny.

He's probably deliberately appointing Swampys so that when things go wrong he can blame them and have fun firing them on Twitter. Cos it's all about the show after all, how the people will laugh.

Love it!

Having skimmed through the posts since I imbibed my last cocktail (which were incidentally bloody delicious if anyone wants the recipe for a "Sicilian") ... it seems to me as if claig has already worked out who to blame when it all goes tits up... Ivanka!

'The Trump idolatry going on here '

There is no idolatry going on here, just serious, sober analysis of the Trump phenomenon and its implications for the elites and their schemes.

'he's done none of the "draining of the swamp" all of his appointments are establishment '

Please give him time. It is a bloody huge swamp, as I am sure you well know Rome wasn't drained overnight. Yes, there have been one or two Establishment picks, but that was most probably done to fool the Etablishment to think that Trump is "playing nice" with them.

'Well apparently some Goldman Sachs alumni are more equal than others. '

There are one or two good ones and those are the ones that begged Trump to pick them.

'None of your rantings stand up to any critical analysis'

The only rantings on this thread are from vicious anti-Trump posters whom one poster accurately described on a previous thread as being "extras from the Hills Have Eyes"

'they are however, funny'

Precisely, which is why as he been mentioned once or twice on this thread "the people are laughing" and the elites are not

Sorry Claig, I seriously can't take you seriously. If you're going to go on about "elites" and not realise that Trump is part of an elite, is appointing elitist people, as displayed by the fact that this is the richest US cabinet ever.

I knew there would be an excuse for Goldman Sachs no longer being the devil, or lobbyists etc.

On the elite thing, just ask yourself one question. If Trump wasn't the scion of a rich establishment family, would he be President?

serious, sober analysis

Ha ha ha ha ha. Thanks for the laugh. Sometimes I need it.

Yes, of course the best way to drain the swamp is to start off appointing the richest cabinet ever. If I wasn't so brainwashed and very, very stupid I would have instantly understood this.

And of course Trump is so very, very clever (unpresidentedly clever, I believe) that he, like his supporters, can separate the bigly good and not elite Goldman Sachs bankers from the really bad elite sheepy puppet Blairite swampy PPE Oxbridge very very stupid room-full-of-liars MSM Goldman Sachs bankers. If only we had access to his elite-screening sieve.

Watch those people laugh.

'If Trump wasn't the scion of a rich establishment family, would he be President?'

Darth, I will give you that. If he wasn't a billionaire, he would never have had the confidence or cash to take on the entire corrupt global establishment and defeat it. No one else could have done what he did and being a billionaire helped. Trump said himself

"If I wasn't rich, they would have killed me"

which he didn't mean literally, but figuratively, the corrupt establishment would have beaten him if he wasn't super rich. He did it for the people.

Trump is the establishment though, he's as establishment as they come and has used his position in it to maintian his wealth, just look at his bankruptcy deals.

He has been very clever in playing the anti establishment ticket, but just like Brexit, he's actually convinced people to vote for something that isn't in their own interests.

just look at his bankruptcy deals.

That's why The Donald never reads books - he can't get beyond Chapter 11.