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Trump (Part 6)

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claig · 17/12/2016 15:35

More on Trump

It is a Trump world and as the Modi saying goes

“Aab Ki Baar Trump Sarkar”

and as the Stump for Trump Sisters say

"Get on the Trump Train or get the hell out of the way"

Rock'n'roll

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Lweji · 17/12/2016 20:50

You're still saying that Monica Crowley was a good choice?
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claig · 17/12/2016 20:54

If anyone is a real political geek and wants a real understanding of the enormity of the Trump Revolution, then it is worth listening to this 1 hour speech on it by Newt Gingrich to the Heritage Foundation.

Newt is very clever and understands conservative instincts. He did sell out in the past and pretend that climate change was real etc under Establishment pressure but has since apologised profusely to conservatives. The entire Republican system was Establishment and so was Newt to some extent. Blair and Newt would have agreed on some Establishment things.

Trump is different, he has taken over the Republican party and it is now a populist party, a people's party, the one of the Trump rallies and the Trump fans.

Blairites, spinners, the BBC and Oxbridge teams will watch this speech as they desperately try to understand how they can stop the people's revolution. But if Trump stays true to the Trump fans, they will never ever beat the people again and Blair can't help them any more.

"Newt Gingrich on Trumpism: How Trump Beat the Liberal Media"

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claig · 17/12/2016 20:55

'You're still saying that Monica Crowley was a good choice? '

There is absolutely no one better than Monica Crowley. She would make mincemeat out of Blair or any spinner like him. It was a top choice by Trump.

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DeepanKrispanEven · 17/12/2016 22:57

Claig, suggesting you have a go at avoiding endless tedious references to Blair, elitism, Oxbridge etc has nothing to do with political correctness - the fact that you believe it does confirms a long-held suspicion that when you keep trotting out that term (which ought to have been added to the list) you are simply saying the words without really having any formulated definition of them, even in your own head. It's just another soundbite, essentially, like the others in the list.

Rest assured, I only asked in the hope that we could avoid the boredom of another 50 pointless citations of Blair in this thread.

Perhaps we should run a sweepstake. Any takers for more than 50?

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DeepanKrispanEven · 17/12/2016 23:02

Missswatch, I asked if you could enlighten us on what Southallgirl feels prevented from saying because you said "One day, Southallgirl will be able to say what she wants to say" - so, as you seemed to know that it was something apparently suppressed by political correctness, I thought you might have some inside information. But if you are as much in the dark about her suppressed expressionism as the rest of us, we'll have to wait for her, I guess.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 17/12/2016 23:14

last thread Blair was mentioned 92 times, Bliar as I've preferred to call him twice.

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claig · 17/12/2016 23:21

This article by Nassim Taleb is mentioned by Newt Gingrich and he says it is the best article he has read and is obviously what Trump and his team intend to sort out in order to turn America round.

'suggesting you have a go at avoiding endless tedious references to Blair, elitism, Oxbridge etc has nothing to do with political correctness '

Unfortunately, Nassim Taleb mentions most of those, including Blair

It touches on the points that I and others have made throughout these threads. We are run by idiots from Oxbridge, "out of touch" geeks and nerds like Miliband or Osborne. Fortunately Theresa May is now in charge and she has common sense and has got rid of most of the idiots, so things are getting better and of course Trump will transform everything.

The article mentions the populist revolution with Modi (which was very moving as hundreds of millions of Indians voted for hope and change, just like Americans did when they voted for Trump) which of course the BBC and Oxbridge idiots were against and the BBC and Oxbridge teams slagged Modi off just as they now slag Trump off.

The article also mentions the disastrous policies in Libya and Syria, as has been mentioned in these threads and which Trump has opposed. Taleb even mentions Brexit and obviously Oxbridge.

Taleb calls these people who rule us IYIs "intellectual yet idiots", Trump calls them "very, very stupid people", we call them the Oxbridge teams and Blairites, I don't know what Modi called them.

"The Intellectual Yet Idiot

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind: these self-described members of the “intelligentsia” can’t find a coconut in Coconut Island
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people are perfectly entitled to rely on their own ancestral instinct and listen to their grandmothers (or Montaigne and such filtered classical knowledge) with a better track record than these policymaking goons.

Indeed one can see that these academico-bureaucrats who feel entitled to run our lives aren’t even rigorous, whether in medical statistics or policymaking.
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The IYI (Intellectual Yet Idiot) seems ubiquitous in our lives but is still a small minority and is rarely seen outside specialized outlets, think tanks, the media, and universities — most people have proper jobs and there are not many openings for the IYI.
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The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences.
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Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair.
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he advocated the “removal” of Gadhafi because he was “a dictator”, not realizing that removals have consequences (recall that he has no skin in the game and doesn’t pay for results).

medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.drax6273p

It seems like Trump and the Trump Revolution will end rule by the IYIs (the intellectuals yet idiots). Bad news for the think tanks and the Oxbridge teams.

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DeepanKrispanEven · 17/12/2016 23:30

The media as always "is a room full of liars" and tries to turn every joke he says against him petending that they take him literally

No, whenever he discovers that something he meant literally is inconvenient, he claims he never meant it, and you claim it was a joke. It's so predictable.

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claig · 17/12/2016 23:30

Taleb calls these people clerks and journalis-insiders

I call them "servants", "media teams" and of course PPEs

But Newt Gingrich thinks it is the best article he has ever read on why America is in such a mess and therefore it will obviously all come to an end soon.

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claig · 17/12/2016 23:38

This is the key sentence where Nassim Taleb highlights what we have witnessed

"What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders"

It was a populist rebellion against the elites and the Oxbridge and elite idiots who serve them and rule us. We beat the idiots in Brexit and Trump beat them in America. Soon all of Europe will be liberated from them too and Farage will have defeated Guy Verhofstadt and the entire Brussels "servant class" who ruled over us and told us we had to to lump it.

Osborne gets it now, but it is too late. Will the arrogant Oxbridge teams really get it or will they try to defy the popular will?

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claig · 17/12/2016 23:43

I have tried to explain that "political correctness" is at the absolute core of what has happened to these Oxbridge idiots and why they failed. Trump knows it which is why he says "I refuse to be politically correct".

But I don't think the Oxbridge teams are really smart enough to understand what Trump knows instinctively and so I think we will have many wasted years until political correctness is finally defeated by the people here.

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DeepanKrispanEven · 17/12/2016 23:51

But why do you think refraining from constant repetitions of the Blair, elite, just joking, Oxbridge, Crooked Hillary etc mantras would amount to political correctness? Does it ever occur to you that if you've made a point once, you don't need to make it another 50 times within the same thread?

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claig · 17/12/2016 23:58

'semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat , 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.'

I always say how Cameron always lectured us on things like how many eggs we should eat. The Oxbridge teams always used celebs, pop stars, Izzard, Sir Bob and Jamie Oliver to tell us what was good for us and then Cameron popped up with a tee-shirt at PMQs saying "eat no more than two eggs and for Gawd sake only drink one glass of wine a week or we will implement a minimum alcohol price to stop you bleeders binge drinking while Blair and the MPs enjoy their subsidised House of Commons bars". The Oxbridge teams patted each other on the back, Jamie Oliver's book went to the top of the bestseller list and the people voted for Farage instead of them.

But now the people are wise to it, so the BBC can't invite Izzard and Sir Bob on to lecture us so much any more, now the BBC invite Paris Lee so she can shout about "racism" when Brexit is discussed.

The Oxbridge teams still don't get it, I guess they will keep losing while Trump and the people keep winning.

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SwedishEdith · 18/12/2016 00:03

He hated "Drain Teh Swamp" because his intuition didn't tell him that the people would love it,

Trump knows instinctively

So, which one is it? (Obviously, I know what the answer is going to be.)

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claig · 18/12/2016 00:06

'But why do you think refraining from constant repetitions of the Blair, elite, just joking, Oxbridge, Crooked Hillary etc mantras would amount to political correctness?'

Because political correctness is about concealing the truth and I am telling the real truth about why our country is in such a mess and why the Oxbridge teams faced disaster and Osborne now realises he didn't understand the "national mood".

The real reason is the one that Nassim Taleb said and which Newt Gingrich agrees with and which Trump will end - "the intellectuals yet idiots", the Oxbridge teams, the politically correct PPEs and nicompoops who ignored and disrespected the people.

' Does it ever occur to you that if you've made a point once, you don't need to make it another 50 times within the same thread?'

I repeat it for new readers who join in the middle or near the end of a thread and who can't be bothered to read 1000 posts from the start.

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claig · 18/12/2016 00:11

"He hated "Drain The Swamp" because his intuition didn't tell him that the people would love it,

Trump knows instinctively

So, which one is it? (Obviously, I know what the answer is going to be.)"

It is both. Trump is not perfect, he is a billionaire and he doesn't fully get how the ordinary people feel, but he gets most of it. But what Trump is is a quick learner because he is a "salesman", he understands the customer and therefore understands the people. He tries a sales pitch on them at a rally and if he gets a good reaction, he incorporates it in his next sales pitch. That is how he expands his knowledge of what the people really want.

Unlike the Oxbridge team and nerds and SPADs, Trump doesn't use "focus groups" and "think tanks", he goes to rallies with 30,000 screaming Trump fans and gets a real feel for what the people want and like.

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DeepanKrispanEven · 18/12/2016 00:22

But concealing the truth isn't always due to political correctness, sell-evidently.

And no-one's asking you to conceal what you perceive to be the truth, claig. God knows, it would be impossible given that you've given it to us around a thousand times. We're just asking for a change from the same old stuff being trotted out endlessly. Is it really too much to ask?

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claig · 18/12/2016 00:32

'We're just asking for a change from the same old stuff being trotted out endlessly. Is it really too much to ask?'

Yes because it is my thread and my voice and my thoughts, my expressions. If you don't like my threads and my thoughts then start your own Trump thread or join another one.

This is my voice and Trump's genius was that he is our voice. He said "I am your voice" and it is not just the voice of the American people, it is the voice of millions of people across teh world because Trump has defeated the intellectuals yet idiots, the Oxbridge teams and the entire corrupt world establishment and liberated the people.

Trump is the voice of millions of people in England, in Italy, all over Europe, in India (with Modi) and in Syria where the poor people have suffered six years of Jihadi onslaught funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey etc, some of whom funded the Clinton Foundation while our political class of puppets looked teh other way and shouted "Assad must go".

Trump is "our voice" because we have no other means of liberating ourselves from these "servants" and "idiots" and "elites".

As Michael Moore said "trump's victory will be the biggest Fuck You ever in world history" and it is the whole world telling these elites and servants to F Off.

Thank God for the USA, thank God for Trump.

Trump "I am your voice"

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/12/2016 08:38

It is both. Trump is not perfect, he is a billionaire and he doesn't fully get how the ordinary people feel, but he gets most of it. But what Trump is is a quick learner because he is a "salesman", he understands the customer and therefore understands the people. He tries a sales pitch on them at a rally and if he gets a good reaction, he incorporates it in his next sales pitch. That is how he expands his knowledge of what the people really want.

I expect this is true. However, this is not what is needed out of a world leader. A world leader should not be creating policy on the whim of those who attend his rallys. They need to be creating policy and steering their country through the difficult international waters with diplomacy and clarity of sight.

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Lweji · 18/12/2016 08:46

I fully agree that he's a salesman. No doubt.
And if you've ever met a hard salesman you'll know why most of the US didn't vote for him and many people are worried.
He'll say what you want to hear and, before you realise it, you bought something you didn't need at extortionate prices.
That is what Trump does. Just look at his "University".

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claig · 18/12/2016 09:09

But Trump is much more than just a "salesman".

The way you can tell is by what he said. If Trump just wanted to get into power and be a servant like Cameron or Blair or Bush or Clinton, then he would not have challenged free trade, globalisation, TPP and TTIP, he would have nodded like Cameron nodded.

Trump would not have said "I think they should leave" the EU about the British people. He would have said what Obama and all the world's elites said when Cameron begged for their help, that Britain should stay in the EU otherwise the British people would be "at the back of the queue"

Trump would not have been friendly with Putin and called out the nonsense that is happening in Syria where the West is backing Jihadis. Trump would have said "Assad must go" just like Cameron did.

Trump would have been politically correct, just like Blair and the Oxbridge teams in order to serve the world establishment like they do.

Trump would not have dared called manmade climate change a "hoax", he would have genuflected like all the rest of the world leaders do.

Trump opposed the whole lot of them and that is why they fear him because he is in the United States. If Trump was the President of Fiji, they wouldn't fear him, but he is President of the United States and he is with the people of America and of the world and the elites fear him like they have never feared anything else.

So he is a "salesman", but he is also the elites' biggest nightmare.

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SouthallGirl · 18/12/2016 09:20

POPULISM: It's the BBC's new buzzword, being used to sneer at the 'uneducated' 17 million who voted for Brexit

The term populism is being used by the BBC as a sneering, pejorative term to describe the extraordinary social phenomenon sweeping both Europe and the U.S

The dictionary definition of populist is a politician or other person who claims to support the interests of ordinary people.

People about whom Tony Blair is now so concerned that he has decided to set up a new institute specifically to counter the 'explosion' in populist movements across Europe.

To liberals, the word populist indicates these voters are vulgar, ill-informed and under-educated. It suggests a lumpen mass of people — quite different, of course, from the well-informed and well-heeled commentators and political leaders who feel something has to be done about unsavoury views of the general public.

READ MORE
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4011874/POPULISM-s-BBC-s-new-buzzword-used-sneer-uneducated-17-million-voted-Brexit.html

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SouthallGirl · 18/12/2016 09:46

I caught a bit of Newsnight over a week ago in which some talking head was saying that Russia has been clear-thinking about its role in Syria from the start, whereas GB has been supporting the rebels against Assad; it was our error, he said.

Why do it? Because Assad is a vewy vewy bad man, and the rebels (ISIS) are ?????

Before he left us, Cameron was saying that we can support the moderates in Syria against Assad. This is the sort of bilge a 10 yr old can see right through. The "rebels" are made up of Al Qaeda, IS, mercenaries and men who have been forced to fight. How can a Prime Minister present such nonsense to the country?

And why would he think it is anyone's right to destabilise another country, create a vacuum for IS to fill? Removing Saddam was the worst thing to do, because he was a killer of terrorists. He kept Iraq safe for a long time and various faiths co-existed without discrimination.

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DeepanKrispanEven · 18/12/2016 09:52

OK, claig, but don't expect people to read those long posts you spend so much time churning out. As soon as I see the buzzwords I start skipping to the next paragraph to see if you actually have anything new to say.

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Lweji · 18/12/2016 09:54

Saddam was the worst thing to do, because he was a killer of terrorists. He kept Iraq safe for a long time and various faiths co-existed without discrimination.

On one hand, I fully agree that it was callous to remove Saddam Hussein as it was done.

On the other hand, you really have no idea how Iraq was while he was in power, do you?
Not saying it's better now, but Saddam killed a lot more than terrorists. And he did use chemical weapons against entire populations.

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