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Leaving EU risks - identified this week

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var123 · 21/05/2016 11:26

Just checking that I'm understanding this right. According to the statements made in the last week, the following will (or is likely to happen) if we leave the EU:-
● House prices may fall by 18%
● 250 famous actors, artists, musicians and writers will feel less "creative"
● Manchester will lose its trams
● Farming will suffer a depression, far more severe than a mere recession
● Scotland will leave the UK
● 48,000 jobs in the insurance sector at risk
● World War 3 (maybe)
● ISIS will be happy - that's a definite according the prime minister
● 3 million EU citizens who are already living in the UK might have to leave
● LGBT equal rights will stop

and then there's the more general stuff:

Worker's rights will revert to the Victorian era, the economy will be trashed, no one will ever want to buy or goods or services, we'll have to pay billions in EU levies to be allowed to buy EU goods, people who want to work in the NHS won't get work visas, etc., etc.

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cakeycakeface · 18/06/2016 08:10

When I make a perfectly logical case you then tell me it's not about logic it's all about the heart!!!

It IS about heart. There wasn't a single logical reason to vote FOR independence the last time around. I researched everything thoroughly. I even contacted academics and experts to fact check things we were told by the SNP were all lies. I read original sources, not political pamphlets. Nothing. No logical reason to support it.

When the SNP bang on about the need for a "positive case" if you want to win a referendum, they are saying you need to make people feel good, give them something they can believe in. Logic - the facts and figures, that was scaremongering, 'project fear'.... Remember?

And yet a massive amount of people supported it. I went to bed the night before believing it was very possible the result could be independence the following day. It was as close then as it is now with Brexit.

The margin between Yes and No is very narrow. You cannot ignore the fact that in the wake of an EU exit, the SNP will have a much stronger case to make for independence - more logical plus the previous tartan heart garbage - than they did previously. It's not going to take much to swing it.

Frankly, I am a No voter. I was as No as you could possibly get. But I genuinely don't know how I would vote again in the changed environment.

Westminster is not going to be able to 'protect' No voters from another referendum. As I said, politically it HAS to respect the authority of the devolved parliament otherwise the whole set up is bullshit. Most MSPs have a free vote now - previously all pro-Union parties spoke as a party. If Holyrood demand a referendum - which they will if public opinion changes, because they represent Scottish public - Westminster will grant it.

The question then is, will Scottish public opinion change? Yes it absolutely will. I am a case in point - a solid No to a fence sitter (in the event of an exit). My DH is a solid No to pro-Indy alongside EU, as are most of everyone else I know.

The next question: will the SNP push for independence even if it looks like entry into the EU will be massively difficult?

What do you think?

Did the SNP give a damn that they were taking us towards economic ruin the last time....? Or did they tell us we'd all be £1000+ richer...? The SNP are about independence no matter what.

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