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If UK left EU, then why couldn't UK...

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lljkk · 19/02/2016 20:09

just pay the (?) 10% non-EU tarriff for all non-EU imports to EU.
No need to pay a massive annual fee for access to common market & swallow rules of free movement of labour with that, just pay the tarriff for importers to EU to ease the UK exporter-to-EU cost burden.

As for being nice to EU-non-UK citizens currently living in UK: UK could grant (?) 3 yr work permits to well-behaved EU citizens already here 6+ months, gives them time to get ILR at end of that if they want. New EU applicants to work in UK would be granted whatever time period work permits at UK govt. discretion.

British citizens living elsewhere in EU would have to get local equivalent to leave-to-remain like non EU citizens do within rest of EU.

What I mean is, could EU stop Britain from having post-Brexit policies that looked like that? And would that all work out reasonably cost-effective compared to other ways to make access to EU market affordable?

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cdtaylornats · 12/06/2016 06:35

It seems to me to be a rerun of the Scottish Referendum

The IN group are going with economics

The OUT group are going with emotion and "it'll be great" and "freedom"

HappydaysArehere · 16/06/2016 09:47

Read and listened to everything I can over weeks of this. I' am no longer on the fence. Brexit are offering narrow reasons and a lot of pie in the sky.
Add to that mix Gove and Johnson and a nightmare occurs. I AM IN.

cakeycakeface · 16/06/2016 11:10

Cdtaylornats and last night I heard Gove mention the 'talking Scotland Britain down' phrase. So, to add to the above, there's a touch of 'you don't love Britain enough/are not patriotic enough' to commit to your country if you vote remain. An ugly approach which has scarred Scotland and divided people.

cakeycakeface · 16/06/2016 11:13

I posted this on another thread yesterday, but the Norwegian fishing industry example is interesting. Very briefly ... Unprocessed fish incurs a tariff of 2% and processed much higher. Which means Norway exports most of its fish to Germany and Poland to be processed there. This is gifting jobs to people within the EU, not Norwegians.

Corcory · 17/06/2016 19:29

What none of these figures show is the impact of the supposed falling pound on the cost of our exports. If the doom mongers are correct then the £ is going to fall so it follows that our good will be cheaper thus we will sell more! or at the very least the tariff will be lower and will be negated by the fall in price. So our exports wouldn't suffer at all!

amicissimma · 18/06/2016 17:53

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HugoBear · 19/06/2016 08:41

OP

the concern I have with tariffs is how they ultimately make products that little bit more expensive for consumers.

The trigger for the Crash in 2008 was a mass of people in the US who had mortgages with introductory low interest rates that finished, reverting to a higher rate.

This led to people not affording payments and walking away. And as these mortgages were bundled up into financial products... well, we know the rest.

Introducing WTO tariff levels means making goods that little bit more expensive. What you need to ask yourself is if you think enough households and small businesses have the financial cushion to soak up these additional expenses and not cut their spending somewhere else.

Everyone who wants Leave seems to know no-one on a tight budget, knows no businesses on tight margins, and believes no such people or companies exist. Or writes these off as 'speedbumps' to be driven over (Gove, this week).

Bear that in mind when making a decision.

Corcory · 19/06/2016 17:10

Hugo, your analogy with the increase in mortgage rates in the US isn't a very good one I feel. as an increase of 5% on a mortgage is a large amount and could tip a family in to real debt. But a 5% increase in the price of French apples isn't really going to make much difference especially if as so many of the 'experts' are saying the value of the £ is bound to decrease so that should offset any increase in tariff.
The suggestion that the people who are voting leave have no idea what it's like being on a tight budget. I can't understand where you get that idea as so many people wanting to leave are supposed to be the working classes.

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