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Terrorist Sympathising

52 replies

GiddyOnZackHunt · 07/10/2015 23:20

How does David Cameron justify attacking 'that man' for being a terrorist sympathiser? David Cameron took selfies at the funeral of a convicted terrorist. A convicted terrorist that was a member of an organisation that Margaret Thatcher condemned as a terrorist group when she refused to meet their leaders.
And moreover to know he was on such dodgy legal ground that he dare not name 'that man'?

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squidzin · 08/10/2015 12:11

Dammit isit,

Didn't realise I was on a "time trial" and went off to do some putin related russian secret shit thing.

Ah, u got me.

Wonkylegs, don't worry.
I think enough people are intelligent like u and me to make the difference.

Isitmebut · 08/10/2015 12:14

squidzin ... I'm nothing but fair ....so in your OWN time.

Isitmebut · 08/10/2015 12:46

(tumble weed continues to drift across the board)

squidzin, come back, all is forgiven, at least we now know claig has company of at least one.

As without you lot on here, who would I have to 'vent' against?

claig · 08/10/2015 12:54

You'd find someone or something because "an empty vessel makes the most noise".

"David Cameron attempts to defend 'squalid' deal with Saudi Arabia in excruciating interview with Jon Snow"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-attempts-to-defend-squalid-deal-with-saudi-arabia-in-excruciating-interview-with-jon-a6684066.html

Video of the interview in the article.

Isitmebut · 08/10/2015 13:24

claig .... 'squalid' will be in the eye of the western beholder, not the beheaded.

If not interfering with Saudi domestic politics means say our aerospace industry keep going, and tens of thousands of jobs supporting families are in the UK, not France, Italy of Germany - one has to ask is telling other states what they have to do so everyone hears when they won't give a rats tail, other than get pissed off - worth keeping UK industries/jobs going?

If we were to pass judgement on the humans/sex rights issues in just the key Brazil, Russia, India, Chinese and not trade with the approx 2.4 million citizens within - what price for getting told to feck off and mind our own business?

I can see many countries outside Europe where such issues could preclude some self righteous prig saying we won't trade with you until hell freezes over and you change, but it wouldn't be Farage or anyone in government who is lecturing on our 'trader nation' historic status - and how there CAN be a future outside the EU.

claig · 08/10/2015 13:38

What are you smoking? What does that stream of unconsciousness, muddled gibberish mean?

Isitmebut · 08/10/2015 13:56

Simply put, a UK leader should worry more about their own citizens lives, rather than those individuals living in countries with very strict domestic laws, with a very small number falling foul of those known laws often made in the name of THEIR religion, not ours.

There was nothing "muddled or gibberish" there to anyone who LIVES in the UK and watches documentaries of all the human right shit going down in nearly every non G7 country e.g. the street children in Brazil getting murdered, the children in India/Pakistan getting sexually assaulted, the heavy hand of government in China on numerous rights - and in Russia, well you tell me the list.

claig · 08/10/2015 14:09

'Simply put, a UK leader should worry more about their own citizens lives, rather than those individuals living in countries with very strict domestic laws'

Then why the pretence to lobby for human rights? Why did Jon Snow bother asking him the question and why did he say "I've answered your question" and why did Jon Snow say "no you haven't"?

Isitmebut · 08/10/2015 14:31

Domestic laws and 'Human Rights' to my mind can be two different things, when cultures are different and those individuals within KNOWING those laws, can either abide by those strict laws or leave the country when they want to.

Human Rights are therefore very different in Saudi Arabia than Syria, where if one of nearly 14 million Sunni Syrian citizens, you can get indiscriminately bombed/missiled down your chimney pot from any fecker - from your own President, to some cra-zy Russian all the way from from the Caspian Sea - pretending he is firing at ISIS on the other side of the country.

P.S. Do you remember the end line of Ras-Putin from Boney M; ...those cra-zy Russians?

I wonder if the 'M' stood for 'Modernizers'? Hmmm.

Inthelookingglass · 08/10/2015 17:10

isitme are you serious about Saudi? Maybe you should have a quick search and see what their 'domestic laws' are. And it's pretty blazè to think that people can just up sticks and move from a country if they don't like how it's been run. That is such an ignorant comment.

Russia is the only country that is not acting illegally. It was asked to interviene. Just like Syria asked the UN for help years ago but was ignored. Why don't you have a look at why there is civil war there.

The US, England and France have got a lot to answer for is the unrest that is in that country. This isn't all about big bad Assad. The massive rise in Muslim fundamentalist insugents and the effect it is going to have on the countries these people come from - that's why Putin has got involved. This war is very significant. All eyes will be watching to see what the fall out is.

Would you want to live be in a caliphate? I know I wouldn't. There are Christian and other religions in this country which had been living been living there for many many years now the Rebels or IS have killed the remaining ones hanging babies heads or women's bodies cut in two from trees. Maybe that's why they are getting bombed?

I think you should ignore what the British and US government and media say. They lie. They have been proven to lie. I also think you should have a good unbiased read if how Syria was formed and what a pigs ear of it the France and uk made of it.

Isitmebut · 08/10/2015 18:12

Inthelookingglass ….. have you looked at Saudi Arabia’s strict religious laws and how they got them through an alliance of the Saud and Wahhab tribes?

Wahhabism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

As for the problems in Syria, with its roots firmly in the Assad family’s 40-years of oppression/Human Rights record, and FACT Assad has killed/displaced more Syrians than ISIS, I could repeat everything I have posted within the following thread (and find several others shorter and more concise) but due to your simplistic case for Assad to remain, I can’t really be bothered.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2461553-Do-you-think-now-the-world-has-its-eyes-opened-to-the-true-horror-unfolding-in-Syria-they-will-now-actually-do-something-about-ISIS

If once you have thumbed through and have any points, why not take it to the thread, I’d love to discuss it further.

Inthelookingglass · 08/10/2015 18:43

Syrias problems started along time before the Assads got in . We made sure of that.

I think going off your other posts I'll decline thanks Smile

claig · 08/10/2015 19:40

'I think going off your other posts I'll decline thanks'

Very good decision, Inthelookingglass Smile

blacksunday · 08/10/2015 20:18

"The death of Osama Bin Laden was a tragedy."

  • David Cameron,
Conservative Party Conference, Oct 7 2015
Ricardian · 08/10/2015 21:37

"The death of Osama Bin Laden was a tragedy."

  • Jeremy Corbyn,
Paid appearance on an Iranian government propaganda channel which routinely runs holocaust denial material.
squidzin · 08/10/2015 22:07

... To which JC was opposed Hmm

blacksunday · 08/10/2015 22:21

No, it was the BBC! Look:

squidzin · 08/10/2015 22:26

And Tory Boris Johnson said the same thing in 2001!

Why Is Jeremy Corbyn Reviled For Making Exactly the Same Bin Laden Comments as Boris Johnson? -

huff.to/1LjL1ti

blacksunday · 08/10/2015 22:34

Yep.

Isitmebut · 11/10/2015 20:18

Labour's Deputy Leader super-sleuth (Dr) Watson likes to conduct investigative witch hunts in the 1970's and 1980's Conservative Party for sexual offenders, no doubt getting around to Labour MP's at a much later date.

Maybe he should be using his time and effort investigating those far closer to him with real evidence against them and a chance to answer before they pass on;

Jeremy Corbyn, Sinn Fein and the IRA: who pulls the Labour leader's strings?

"A former British Army commander says the Labour leader's links to extremists must be investigated further"
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11925052/Jeremy-Corbyn-Sinn-Fein-and-the-IRA-who-pulls-the-Labour-leaders-strings.html

"It comes as no surprise to me to read the extent of Jeremy Corbyn’s sympathy for the IRA in earlier times and how those views contrast with his utterances since taking the leadership of the Labour Party."

"His views pre-1998, recorded in the Telegraph, are in line with the views of the dissident Republicans who continue to pursue a campaign of murder in Ireland even today."

"The fact that he has altered his approach in recent times in support of the Good Friday Agreement also fits exactly with the pattern of those who bend their knee to the iron discipline of the Republican movement under Sinn Fein."

"So it must be time for Jeremy Corbyn (and John McDonnell, who called for recognition of the bravery of IRA killers), to explain where they take their instructions on Irish affairs. On his election as leader of the Labour Party, Mr Corbyn had a reshuffle of shadow cabinet posts. One of the casualties was Ivan Lewis, removed from his post as shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland and sacked by text message. Some have questioned if this was a consequence of his Jewish background and the implications that could have for the traditional Sinn Fein pro-Palestinian lobby."

"If it is nothing else Sinn Fein is staunchly loyal to its allies. In Libyan training camps in the late 1970s and early 1980s, IRA members forged ties with Palestinian terrorists and killers from ETA, as well Rodrigo Londono aka ‘Comrade Timoshenko’, a leader of the Colombian terror group FARC. Such ties linger, as the case of the “Colombia 3” (IRA engineers swapping bomb-making technology for drugs) demonstrates."

"How far do these links and allegiances go? Do they influence Corbyn’s views and actions? Has Jeremy Corbyn ever visited Palestine on a visit sponsored by groups with subversive connections for instance? We need to know."

Col Tim Collins, a former Royal Irish Regiment and SAS officer, is CEO of intelligence-based security services company New Century

Isitmebut · 11/10/2015 20:21

Re above;

The allegations against Corbyn

• For seven years running, 1986-92, at the height of the IRA’s “armed struggle,” Jeremy Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA”

• Labour Briefing, the hard-left magazine where Jeremy Corbyn was secretary of the editorial board, praised the Brighton bombing. In a statement written by the editorial board it said: “It certainly appears to be the case that the British only sit up and take notice [of Ireland] when they are bombed into it”

• John McDonnell, Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow chancellor, received a special award from the republican movement and Sinn Fein for his “unfailing political and personal support.” It was presented to him by Gerry Kelly, the Old Bailey bomber

• John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn now claim to have promoted the peace process. But Mr Corbyn opposed a precursor to the peace process, the Anglo-Irish Agreement, and Mr McDonnell opposed the talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement, as obstacles to a united Ireland. Both men were closely associated with groups vitriolically hostile to the peaceful, constitutional nationalists of the SDLP

GiddyOnZackHunt · 11/10/2015 23:17

A former British Army colonel. And a former candidate for Conservative police commissioner. From an article in the Telegraph.

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squidzin · 12/10/2015 08:30

Torygraph.

squidzin · 12/10/2015 08:44

The telegraph have had to retract more than one article against Corbyn. For being simply BS.
One where they referred to McDonnell as a "nutjob" and another linking Corbyn to anti-Semitism.

When will they learn.

Isitmebut · 12/10/2015 10:52

Dear me, documents, quotes, times and photographs on most of the allegations against Corbyn/McDonnell - Tom Watson had NONE of that when pursuing a Conservative politician - what a completely untrustworthy shower at the 'new look' top of Labour.

"Why a deserved downfall beckons for Tom Watson"

The Labour deputy leader’s ill-informed hounding of Leon Brittan was distasteful in the extreme
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/11/deserved-downfall-tom-watson-leon-brittan

We already know that Labour were incompetent on structuring our finances and a sustainable economy, but what a totally nasty and untrustworthy bunch of MPs have been elevated by similar 'member' minds full of hate/venom, with ignorant gobs full of available spit - that Corbyn of course, encourages.

No wonder Corbyn hates the monarchy, it was not that long ago similar citizens were locked up in the Tower of London for the 't' word.

(Clue; its not Thatcher)