Can anyone explain exactly what the fuss..

[HappydaysArehere]

Can anyone explain what Boris has done for London. The bus has not been an overall success but costs us Londoners a fortune., the bikes are no longer funded by Barclays perhaps because they are referred to as Boris bikes!! They have been the cause of deaths and I am more frightened of them than lorries and buses since I nearly had my lot as one disregarded a crossing and charged towards me. That river crossing is underused and has cost a fortune. The Olympics was gained by Ken Livingstons efforts but he is good at taking credit for other peoples work. He famously doesn't do detail and when at a loss for an answer he blubs, blubs away or throws in a Greek phrase or two. Is he really Prime Minister material? I hope the answer doesn't come when it's too late to realise that entertainment doesn't make for good government.

Part 2.

Re Labour’s minor economic ‘recovery’ of a totally unbalanced economy under them was heavily influenced by a ‘dead cat bounce’ from the 7.2% GDP/output the UK lost in 2008/9, worse than anywhere in the world - as their economies weren’t ‘built on sand’ of massive Investment Bank/City profits, records government/deficit spending and their consumption/housing bubble that saw the average price of a home in 1997 go from £73k to £232k in early 2008, like ours.

Labour having hired nearly 1 million Public Sector workers from 1997 on top of the Town Hall hires above, created MASSIVE fixed government spending costs, while the Private Sector that PAID for the new army of government employees and their consumption (‘growf’ Ballsian style), were losing 1 million plus jobs.

Our manufacturing/industry could hardly power us out to a still largely unaffected EU back then, as a totally incompetent Labour party had LOST 1 MILLION MANUFACTURING JOBS BY 2005, two-years before the crash even started.
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/million-factory-jobs-lost-under-labour-6150418.html

And Darling’s solution to a totally unbalanced economy and ‘cost of living crisis’ where the tax PAYING Private Sector had been decimated – borrow more and PUT UP National Insurance for companies and employees, he KNEW would cost jobs.

“Labour's planned National Insurance increase will cost jobs, Alistair Darling admits”

(2010) “Labour’s plans to increase national insurance next year will cost jobs, Alistair Darling has said.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7539343/Labours-planned-National-Insurance-increase-will-cost-jobs-Alistair-Darling-admits.html
“In his evidence, Mr Darling defended his plans to increase national insurance, saying it was necessary to raise extra money to reduce Government borrowing, which will be £167 billion this year.”

Look in Labour’s 2010 General Election manifesto below, after 13-years in government with an economic crisis mainly of their making, a social crisis, and a housing crisis where Shelter in 2009/10 said there were 1.7 million families (5 million people) needing homes/bedrooms – show me ‘the vision’ and policies Labour had to fix their screw ups.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8615297.stm

It talks about ‘cementing the recovery’ on what policy foundations???? More like offering the UK electorate ‘cement overshoes’ and tossing the public in via Westminster.

Part 3

Re UK National Debt, if the incompetent Labour Party leave the Conservative led coalition a £157 bill ANNUAL budget deficit, from the balanced budget the Conservatives budgeted for after 1997 – how is THAT the Conservatives fault??

If Labour (and their supporters) wanted the Coalition to CUT £157 billion from our annual spending at a stroke - thereby starting to pay off their huge increase in the National Debt - why oh why at EVERY PMQT since 2010, has Labour (and their supporters) made so much noise over every spending reduction plan the Coalition put forward???????? For Labour to blame the Conservatives for our debt situation, it is hypocrisy on a grand scale.

Meanwhile the UK economy is rebalancing under the Coalition with a 2010 plan totally absent from the 2010 Parliamentary Labour Party (then) government, who without any Osborne stimulus to the Private Sector/job creation would have had to announce large cut in Public Sector employees. Yet how could they BEFORE a General Election when the public sector trade unions were/are bankrolling them?

“The economy was rebalancing. But British exports are losing their drive”
www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jul/13/british-economy-exports-rebalancing-uk-manufacturers

The UK under Labour was a mini EU; a fat top heavy government/bureaucratic state, sadly in political ideology and country economic model set up, more similar to France than Germany, yet France was better off than the UK after 2007/8 for a time as they did not miss the UK’s GDP financial/speculation tax receipts, so had an annual budget deficit much smaller than ours – yet the France Miliband aspired to very quickly changed from Oldish Labour type policies, but is STILL struggling, with flat growth and 10.2% unemployment.

“How Francois Hollande changed but Ed Miliband stayed the same.”
www.trendingcentral.com/francois-hollande-changed-ed-miliband-stayed/

“Back in the summer of 2012, Ed Miliband was exalting his new hero across the channel, French president François Hollande. The Labour leader could not have been more generous in his praise for his opposite number in the French Socialist Party:”
Miliband: “What President Hollande is seeking to do in France and what he is seeking to do in leading the debate in Europe is find that different way forward. We are in agreement in seeking that new way that needs to be found and I think can be found.”

“The man Miliband pledged an ideological allegiance to was the François Hollande of old. Two years ago the new French president was naively idealistic; stubborn in his belief that big government, high spending, more borrowing and punitive taxes on the rich was the path to economic recovery. He was a nice man, but meek, bookish, a nerd. It is not difficult to see why Miliband liked the idea of emulating the politician who was, essentially, a baguette-brandishing Ed.”

HappydaysArehere ….. so I reiterate, while you may think Boris ‘the joker’ and “womaniser” who didn’t do too much wrong and has ideas for the Uk’s future is a major problem, in a 2015 General Election that either Labour or the Conservatives will form the next government – based on Labour’s record, this country better hope that ‘the joker’ who ‘could have done worse as Major’ is in our next parliament, rather than the ‘complete set of clowns’ who made up the incompetent cabinet, right up to 2010.

The PROOF of that is qualified within the posts above, and the turnaround in the economy since 2010.

If u can't see all that. maybe we should call you 'happydaze'. lol

Your patronising lecture as supplied by Google is appreciated. However, it's content has little to do with,or to influence,my opinion of Johnson. We can all delve into the past and resurrect wrong doings by all parties. Although in a happydaze I can still recall Macmillan complaining that Thatcher had "sold the family silver" and how she off loaded the burden of council homes by selling them to tenants. All very altruistic until the promised reinvestment into replacement homes never materialised. So your continual divergence from the issue of Boris as a political leader does nothing to further the discussion. However, as I am just a "happydaze" poster what would I know!

HappydaysAREhere …. FYI you made some incorrect points on your last post to me, often regurgitated by Labour MP’s and their supporters in denial of their 13-year record, and I’ve given you a qualified with facts response correcting your points – I’m sorry if you find the truth “patronising”.

Regarding your claim and Macmillan quote re social housing, that Thatcher “sold the family silver” – while other would say that ‘Right to Buy’ gave aspirational working class people a home ownership stake hold in the UK economy – I’d like to answer that in two parts, the first paraphrasing an advert, ‘turning silver into gold’. lol

!. Re Labour/Brown and gold, without mentioning it in their 1997 General Election manifesto, with no social benefits I can find, actually sold around half of the UK’s gold reserves (already strategically pee-poor in reserves size by European etc standards) via several auctions at under $300 an ounce and near a 20-year low price – despite being told not to by other central banks, the Bank of England and the City. The gold price immediately started to rise for the next 10-years or so, hitting a HIGH of over $1,900 per ounce.

1. Re Conservative/Labour social housing, in social home BUILDS, despite the collapsed economy the Conservatives inherited in 1979 and European recession in the early 2000’s, the Conservatives built around 50,000 social homes on average each year – that you are correct, was NOT ENOUGH.

The Labour Party inheriting that potential housing ‘problem’ and the fastest growing economy in Europe, had a non EU ‘diversity’ immigration policy from around the turn of this century and time to prepare for a 2004 influx of EU citizens, Labour built around an average of 24,000 new social homes a year between 1997 to 2008 – that was by luck the most golden UK economic decade for a century, which was INCOMPETENT GOVERNANCE on a grand scale.

It was incompetent governance on a grand scale, as Mr Brown the ‘keeper’ of the UK purse strings was warned about the dire whole UK housing shortage via the Barker Report in 2004, THAT BROWN COMMISSIONED, that could NOT have accounted for the secret non EU immigration policy, never mind those EU citizens arriving after 2004.

So with millions waiting for social homes, this was Labour’s overall housing legacy, with all the overall social implications of their inaction, they didn’t need forward Eaton ‘vision’, it was in the Barker Report they asked for.

“Britain is facing a housing disaster as it is one million homes short, warns new report”

www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2589483/Britain-facing-housing-disaster-warns-new-report.html
“Britain is now one million homes short of meeting its housing needs – a decade on from the flagship Barker Review of Housing Supply.”

“The 2004 report by Kate Barker, commissioned by the then Labour government, found that 210,000 homes needed to be built each year to prevent a housing crisis.”

“The economist also set a more ambitious target of ‘improving the housing market’ and making property more affordable by building 260,000 homes a year.”

“But a follow-up report shows that an average of just 115,000 homes a year have been built since then – meaning the country is 953,000 homes short of one target and 1.45million short of the other.”

“The chronic shortage of homes has locked many youngsters out of the housing market with 3.35million 20-to-34-year-olds living with their parents – 790,000 more than when the Barker Review was published.”

And here it is the 2003/4 UK Housing Report.

The (2004) Barker review: key points
www.theguardian.com/money/2004/mar/17/business.housing

So as I detest every Labour MP as soon as they open their mouths as I know they will be in denial of their own policies, blame the Conservatives for the consequences and lie they have solutions e.g. at PMQT, thus raising the volume, I can understand your dislike of Boris for mainly non political reasons.

But at the end of your OP you cast a doubt on the Conservatives/Boris as being entertainers-over-substance, well all I can say is that based on Labour’s record with their clowns preferring to spend £170 bil plus on fat government Quangos rather than social housing etc - any Boris dilution of Conservative governance, will be minimal.

Oh! Now i understand you "detest every Labour MP. ". It is therefore impossible for you to have a balanced view.
I now understand your very real need to bombast me and every other poster with your one sided views, most of which have little to do with the original thread.
What a pity!

I detest Labour for how they left the UK economy in 1979 and again in 2010, and I can qualify the TRUTH about Labour policies, their apologists try to hide - in order to bring Labour back in, that will affect my children and grandchildren's children with their incompetence/debt.

You began this post with lies about Boris's record and chose to make your attack both personal and about "good government" - no political bias there then, but I gave you well explained answers you didn't want to hear.

Facts are not one sided if you can dispute them, but you can't, and chose to dig a deeper hole for yourself with Labour propaganda of denial and re writing history, similar to the shit they utter every time they open their mouths.

A one sided view, from a one sided board, is Labour blaming a Coalition effort to provide bedrooms for 5 million people needing social homes under Labour, as a bed room tax designed to punish the poor - how many posters have put that 'one sided' opinion over in 4-years and how many put the 'demand side over?

The facts provide me with the balance I need, I'd suggest that those choosing to forget Labour's shit record in power and Conservative successes, as someone 'unbalanced' for bringing onto themselves, MORE of the same.

Happydaze ..... answer me one question, why aren't you annoyed with Labour for spending £170 billion plus on a fat Quango government rather than build houses etc?

Isitmebut, this thread is about Boris and whether he is Prime Minister material, not Labour.

You don't like Labour, but this thread is about whether Boris would make a good leader. Would he be better than high-fiving Cameron, buddy of Juncker, or not? Or are they all the same?

Read the threads OP again sweet cheeks, 90% is about London, and 10% is speculating on a PM position that is not open until a majority Conservative government CANNOT deliver on a UK referendum on the EU - hence we got onto Boris's London policies e.g Barclays IS STILL PAYING for the bikes and not the taxpayer, and moved onto Labour's propaganda from there, which I corrected.

I have to admit I do find it funny that based on opinion polls other party's are pooping themselves about Boris entering Westminster and need to write lies on his record and truths on his personal life. I don't see what the Boris fuss it about myself, the current Westminster crew coped OK without him so my advice is, 'don't panic'.

'other party's are pooping themselves about Boris entering Westminster'

Other parties are rubbing their hands in glee. Having Boris as an opponent for PM is practically an open goal, it's almost Christmas come early.

HappydaysArehere is right about Boris, in my opinion, - he is not leadership material. I think the public will see that, just as Livingstone said, particularly if the left wing luvvies do not succeed in their goal of destroying our PMQs in order to make weaknesses in leadership no longer apparent.

The polls are saying that Boris is a 'shoe in' whatever seat he goes for and is extremely popular.

Isn't this the same political polls that you say gives no policy Farage legitimacy?

Just a thought.

Yes, he is a 'shoe in' for MP because the public want a laugh. But it is when the high-fivers elect him as leader that the tears will start, as the hapless applecart starts to fall apart when faced with fearsome Farage in full flow.

Claig, here, here, you are so right. Thank you.

And so allies were formed; one whose leader has no policies, always laughing and joking with a 'blokey' pint in his hand down the pub for votes, and the other who has a leader with old State control policies, who could seriously do with a personality transplant. lololol

For me it's quite simple. Boris (and Farage) talk in a way that most people can identify with and understand.

What's actually coming out of their mouths matters less but the fact is we can easily digest it.

We've grown to expect politician's to talk with forked tongues. To speak with weasel words that say one thing but mean another.

Now we have a couple of really politician's who we can finally understand. I'm convinced this is half the reason why UKIP have been so successful. So it's only natural that the Tories who need to win back some votes from UKIP the most push forward the man whom is the most popular.....Boris.

The Brit's love a bimbling posh talking idiot. Look at Hugh Grant when he first burst onto scene in 4 weddings. He's pretty much built a career playing the posh talking English halfwit.

People get the government they deserve. And I'm afraid the constant dumbing down of our education coupled with the fact so many simply don't care about politics means we'll end up with a bunch of idiots in charge.....some may say we already have!

'the constant dumbing down of our education coupled with the fact so many simply don't care about politics means we'll end up with a bunch of idiots in charge'

Labour are not certain of winning.

Re the Boris and Nigel show ….. I suggest that there is a good reason for “What's actually coming out of their mouths matters less but the fact is we can easily digest it.”

Governments and their opposition talk about very important subjects to a fairly detail indifferent, ‘must have now’, society. So whether the people get the facts that bore the pants off them, or make it too simple and sound condescending for not giving a firm yes/no answer – the public turn off.

Politicians who don’t give facts, lie about their records in power and try to portray politics as a 19th century class war, drag the reputation of the main party’s and those in Westminster down even further. IMO.

But take Boris and Farage, neither are in Westminster, neither are MP’s, so both can get away with opportunist soundbites and/or jokes ABOUT governments and their policies, that are ‘easily digested’ – and riding a bike like a chimp or drinking pints with a face like a chump, adds to the ‘not MP’s’ appeal to the voters. So clearly Boris’s popularity is on borrowed time. Lol

The personality needs to be taken out of politics, as while some would argue the more people that vote the better, if any voter in not aware of different party’s ideology (that will be repeated every time in power to some extent), their records in power, or inability to get a manifesto together, never mind try and form an effective government – then democracy will be skewed, especially with dodgy electoral boundary lines and recent willingness for the electorate to knowing FORCE a Coalition government, with the resulting individual manifesto bun fight that brings.

If as likely ‘The Boris and Nigel MP Show’ comes to Westminster in 2015, Boris will slowly be assimilated into the parliamentary Conservative Party, Nigel can continue to ‘do a no school fees Clegg’, as Farage can promise a sky full of blue moons if he wants in order to gain votes, KNOWING that he will never FORM a government that implements them.

Will 'the peoples' democracy improve the quality of governance if political party's add 'noise' by writing political cheques their party can't honour, I'd suggest not.

”I would rejoin Tories... but only with Boris as a leader, says mastermind who plotted coup from his castle”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738810/I-rejoin-Tories-Boris-leader-says-mastermind-plotted-coup-castle.html
• Stuart Wheeler lit the fuse on the 'Carswell coup' over a secret lunch
• He has been wining and dining a number of dissatisfied Tory MPs

• Former Tory said he would not return to the party with Cameron as leader
• But that could change if Boris took over and brought in Ukip-friendly policies

“Stuart Wheeler (born 30 January 1935) is a British businessman and politician. He made his fortune as the founder of the spread betting firm IG Index in 1974, but is best known for his political activism,[1] being formerly a major donor to the Conservative Party and, since 2011, treasurer of the United Kingdom Independence Party.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Wheeler

No wonder U-Kippers try to assassinate Boris, they’ll lose all their ‘elitist’ money that buys popular sitting Conservative MP's even if Wheeler was ALLOWED back - but 'don't panic' U-Kippers, why replace the PM who rescued the economy from a clueless Labour Party, even when Ukip saddled cameron with a coalition - that thanks to two-leaders patriotism, put the COUNTY above very different ideologies/politics.