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Labour morale is wonderfully low

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longfingernails · 06/08/2013 23:33

I heard nary a peep from any senior Labour figure in the last month!

The self-pity on Labour sites is self-evident
labourlist.org/2013/08/cameron-may-be-out-of-touch-but-the-labour-leadership-are-running-out-of-time/

The Tories are successfully striking a chord when they say Ed Miliband is weak on the economy, weak on immigration, weak on welfare (even voting against a £26000 a year benefits cap!!)

And I am starting to think that some of the Lib Dem's soft-left voters might even forgive them for tuition fees etc. if the economy keeps growing well. These soft-left Lib Dem to Labour defectors are pretty much the entire reason for Labour's lead; that their votes are soft is what will make that lead so flaky come the election.

These are good days for us small c conservatives indeed, especially with UKIP doing a fine job keeping the Tories honest.

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flatpackhamster · 10/08/2013 22:05

ttosca

LOL - 2%!

One month ago, the BBC was reporting 7.8%:

Structural unemployment, dimunitive cretin. structural.

SirChenjin · 10/08/2013 22:12

Structural unemployment is about 6/7%, isn't it? Link here - 7th para.

flatpackhamster · 10/08/2013 22:17

If it were, the unemployment rate wouldn't have been bumping 5% for the entire last decade and a half.

France has a huge issue with structural unemployment due to exactly the policies you outlined. But for the most part the people who are unable to get jobs are unskilled North Africans, and who in Ttosca's Worker's Paradise cares about a bunch of foreigners cluttering up the benches in the park?

SirChenjin · 10/08/2013 22:20

Did you look at the link Flatpack? Have the Bank of England and the OECD got their figures wrong? If so, let them know and report back when you have a response from them would you.

ttosca · 10/08/2013 22:21

flatpack

Structural unemployment, dimunitive cretin. structural.

Cretin, please provide links showing during what period structural unemployment has been 2%

From Nov 2007 to May 2012, it has never at any point been below about 5.2%. How many economic cycles do you think have passed between those dates?

www.economicshelp.org/blog/5695/alevel/unemployment-stats-and-graphs/

ttosca · 10/08/2013 22:29

lol. OK, the ONS data for before 2007 shows that it hovered around 5% since the second half of 2002. This is from the Wiki article:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_in_the_United_Kingdom

2% is a fantasy figure.

SirChenjin · 10/08/2013 22:32

Any response from the BofE or the OECD yet?

ttosca · 10/08/2013 22:33

Furthermore, it is perfectly feasible to have a less grossly unequal country with better pay and better working conditions without having high unemployment:

epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-31072013-BP/EN/3-31072013-BP-EN.PDF

Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark, and Luxembourg all currently have lower structural unemployment rates.

SirChenjin · 12/08/2013 14:22

Any update from the Bank or the OECD yet? Grin

flatpackhamster · 12/08/2013 17:27

Given that neither of you understand the term 'structural unemployment', I think I'll leave you to your mutual wankfest. If you think that the country's crying out for your peculiar brand of stalinism, then I'm not going to disabuse you of that.

SirChenjin · 12/08/2013 17:53

I take that to be a no then Grin

niceguy2 · 12/08/2013 21:31

Ed Miliband is the best thing that could have possibly happened for the Tories.

After the last election, I was very mindful of Mervyn King's prediction that whoever won the election would have no choice but to introduce austerity measures so unpopular that they'd be out of power for a generation.

And I honestly think that but for the grace of Ed, MK's prediction would have come true. But thankfully the electorate can see that whilst noone likes austerity, we can't trust nor should we believe someone who claims that he will also cut the deficit whilst voting against every single proposed cut and offering no real ideas of his own.

ttosca · 12/08/2013 23:22

flatpack-

It would have been bigger of you to just admit you got it wrong.

SirChenjin · 13/08/2013 08:06

It would - although it wouldn't have been nearly so amusing!

JennyPiccolo · 13/08/2013 08:16

Does anyone think Ed Miliband as Labour leader may be part of a 'long game' Labour are playing? I suspect he will go before the next election and be replaced by some sort of brave new Labour hope who's not really had a chance to do anything wrong yet.

flatpackhamster · 13/08/2013 09:09

ttosca

flatpack-

It would have been bigger of you to just admit you got it wrong.

I didn't.

Look. Structural Unemployment.

It takes 5 seconds to Google it. Obviously rather longer for you to understand it.

SirChenjin

It would - although it wouldn't have been nearly so amusing!

Indeed. I can hardly stop laughing at the thought of you two backslapping each other.

SirChenjin · 13/08/2013 10:33

Oh goody - looks like we've all had a laugh at you then Grin

flatpackhamster · 13/08/2013 13:27

You seem to relish your own stupidity.

Did you look up what structural unemployment is?

niceguy2 · 13/08/2013 13:46

I don't think they can realistically get rid of Ed before the election. They'd have to get rid of him nowish really so the fuss can die down. If they did so just before the election, everyone would think they're weak. And noone votes for a weak party.

celticclan · 13/08/2013 14:08

When Ed first came into power I joined the Labour Party. I thought he was the right person for the job.

I didn't rejoin this year and its doubtful that I will vote at the next election.

Labour are weak. I don't know what they stand for anymore, they never propose anything. I honestly don't know if we would be in a better position if they gained power. And where is Ed Miliband? We haven't seen much of him at all in the last 12 months.

SirChenjin · 13/08/2013 17:42

Let it go, Flatpack, let it go and move on. It's OK to make an arse of yourself on MN - do the walk of shame and learn to laugh at yourself (as we've done) Grin

TabithaStephens · 14/08/2013 03:31

I honestly don't know why anyone would vote Labour at this point. What do they do? Who do they represent? Working-class people? I don't think so. It seems the only people who have anything to gain by voting Labour are immigrants, benefit claimants and public sector workers. And I think even of those groups a significant proportion are savvy enough to see that voting Labour in again will only lead to hard times down the line.

flatpackhamster · 14/08/2013 08:07

SirChenjin

Let it go, Flatpack, let it go and move on. It's OK to make an arse of yourself on MN - do the walk of shame and learn to laugh at yourself (as we've done)

So you didn't look it up. Or learn anything.

SirChenjin · 14/08/2013 13:32

You really can't move on, can you!

TabithaStephens · 14/08/2013 15:00

Ed Milliband was egged in London this afternoon. If Labour aren't popular in London, where are they popular?