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Full time work to be re-defined as 30 hours a week

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EssentialFattyAcid · 21/06/2012 17:37

OK not really....but would this not be a great idea?

Then there would be enough work for everybody who wanted to work,
income distribution would not be so extreme
parents could spend more time with their kids or dependent relatives
more people could become involved in voluntary work
this would help facilitate equality between the sexes

What would be the downside?

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Snog · 01/07/2012 15:31

nfk i agree

Snog · 01/07/2012 15:49

Working time directive made a great deal of difference to the working hours of junior doctors

Also meant that unpaid overtime was stopped for my job

MrJudgeyPants · 01/07/2012 22:44

Snog "Do you like the fact that young people are struggling to find work? "

Look at what has happened to countries that have gone down similar routes. France has long advocated a 35 hour working week, yet they have higher unemployment than the UK. Please explain this away before suggesting we copy them, let alone go further. Similarly, the EU has tougher rules regarding employment legislation yet has youth unemployment in excess of 50% in some territories - by this measure, youth unemployment in the UK is nowhere near as bad.

"Do you like the fact that the growing gap between rich and poor creates civil unrest and more crime?"

This is a big assumption. The gap between rich and poor has been wider many times in our history AND crime has been higher. The two figures don't correlate. On the whole, I couldn't care less about relative poverty as long as we all get richer together - usually, when the economy expands, we all get richer. Malnutrition, and other diseases associated with real poverty, has been all but eradicated in the UK. We all eat better, are clothed better and, like it or not, capitalism is the magic money tree which has delivered this. Our economy is screwed up at the moment as we don't have growth but this is the fault of bad banking decisions and stupid politicos and is no reason to kill the golden goose. When the government pull their finger out and sort out the economy again, we will all start to get richer once more.

"What would you have us do?"

It helps no one that we have an artificial floor in the cost of labour in this country. I've said it before but the fruit of some peoples labour just isn?t worth the minimum wage. Where we have kids who cannot get a job, it would be in their interests to take a lower paying job in the short term so that they can put some (indeed any) experience down on their CV's. It is experience which leads to better job opportunities, not qualifications. We also need to stop making it so easy to survive indefinitely on the dole. Where people can be long term unemployed and yet still be picky about what job they do says lots about the state of the system. Finally, we need to reduce taxation on businesses. We need to make Britain the obvious territory in the EU to open up factories and businesses. This will lead to jobs and opportunities for all of our people. We could even have flexible corporation tax rates for business depending on where they operate in the country. If they pick a high unemployment area to operate in, they pay less tax.

All of this is achieved with less governmental interference rather than more, and I believe that is the answer.

MrJudgeyPants · 01/07/2012 22:45

"The gap between rich and poor has been wider many times in our history AND crime has been higher."

Should have added... but not at the same time.

Sorry

Snog · 02/07/2012 06:33

In my opinion a high degree of Relative poverty is a huge issue and makes the country a worse place to live and I don't buy that unregulated capitalism "makes us all richer"

Clearly unemployment rates across europe are to do with many and complex factors. France is generally held to offer a far better work life balance than the uk. It's not all about having 5 tvs in your house.

Snog · 02/07/2012 06:38

Youth unemployment is around 22% in both the uk and France do no big difference here in spite of France's 35 hour week

flatpackhamster · 02/07/2012 09:13

Snog

Youth unemployment is around 22% in both the uk and France do no big difference here in spite of France's 35 hour week

Youth unemployment in France is almost never lower than 20%. In the 1990s it was 30% Compare that to the UK where it's only just reached 20%, after years of being much lower. So if the UK in the teeth of the worst recession in history has just hit the point where France is by default, we're doing pretty well.

France has a systemic unemployment problem. The reason is that its labour laws make it very hard to lay off staff. Once you've got a job, you're fine, but getting a job is hard. In fact if you're a North African migrant, it's practically impossible.

MrJudgeyPants · 02/07/2012 09:30

"France is generally held to offer a far better work life balance than the uk."

BUt only if you can get a job in the first place.

Snog · 03/07/2012 19:43

No easier to get a job in the uk than infrance though and the whole idea is about sharing the available work so that more individuals can have jobs and there are fewer people who need to claim benefits.

flatpackhamster · 03/07/2012 21:29

Snog

No easier to get a job in the uk than infrance though and the whole idea is about sharing the available work so that more individuals can have jobs and there are fewer people who need to claim benefits.

Although, as has been pointed out above, systemic unemployment in France is higher. So it doesn't work. You can't 'share' work around, and here's why - people aren't the same.

By claiming that they are the same and that you can 'share' work around, you're treating people as things. You're treating them as replaceable parts in a machine. "Citizen 2199693 requires employment, comrade. We must scale back the employment of citizen 4829281 and provide its function to the new citizen."

That's why socialism is so vile. It treats people as objects.

CorruptBstard · 04/07/2012 15:23

If we paid every adult an unconditional basic income of £15,000 a year, funded by a tax on all spending, then people would be free to do the stuff they really wanted to do "just for the love of it"

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