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"Settling large tax disputes" report - anyone want to chew the cud?

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CinnabarRed · 14/06/2012 14:52

Last Autumn the Public Accounts Committee challenged whether HMRC was too cosy with large business and had settled enquiries too cheaply. The National Audit Office thus engaged former High Court judge Sir Andrew Park to review in detail five cases where the NAO had found HMRC had not complied fully with its own procedures in settling the cases. Two of the cases are public: Vodafone and Goldman Sachs.

The four corporate tax cases essentially covered transfer pricing and Controlled Foreign Companies issues [happy to explain what CFCs are if anyone wants]and ? in all cases ? Sir Andrew found that the settlements were reasonable (and one probably favourable to the Exchequer). HMRC had conducted thorough examinations of the issues and had taken legal advice where appropriate. The only real issue was that there hadn?t been the level of independent review that there should have been ? but that was because there were no other Commissioners with appropriate tax knowledge.

The fifth case concerned NIC. The NAO report makes it clear that there were quite a few procedural errors in that case ? and it?s probably fair to say that HMRC doesn?t come out especially well. However, there were six separate technical issues included in the Goldman Sachs settlement ? not just the NIC and interest on it. The overall agreement covered all six ? and in that context Sir Andrew considered the settlement was reasonable. After the settlement was reached, the matter was taken to the Programme Review Board, which initially refused to agree it since interest hadn?t been charged. Legal advice was then taken and the Board then agreed it was not in HMRC?s interests to reopen the matter. Indeed, Sir Andrew considered that HMRC couldn?t have reopened it, since the original agreement with the bank was legally binding.

Meanwhile, UKUncut have persuaded the High Court that they have an arguable case to challenge the legality of HMRC?s settlement in the Goldman Sachs case. The judicial review will be heard in October.

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TheMysteryCat · 15/06/2012 11:49

cinnabarred your example is making things a little clearer.

so, in an undoubtable simplistic response, why aren't there set margin tariffs based on product types/codes?

e.g high tech widgets 10% margin, or base metals 5%, baby equipment 3% etc...

is it because people would rebrand their product to a lower margin category, or too complex to categorise effectively?

CinnabarRed · 15/06/2012 11:58

You could set margin tariffs for different products/codes (economic consensus seems to be that there would be around 100 codes), but it wouldn't take account of the allocation of risks between companies so the margin would need to be tweaked to take account of the circumstances behind each individual transaction.

Plus you would need an internationally accepted body such as the OECD to set the codes, and then for local fiscs to agree to them.

Plus, that would only cover products. What about services? And loans? And intellectual property rights?

It's an absolute minefield.

In my experience, companies do actually want to get this "right".

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DukeHumfrey · 21/06/2012 20:39

Just found this.

On the question of the length of the legislation, no one has yet mentioned the Tax Law Rewrite Project.
That was a project to rewrite the UK tax code in more comprehensible language. It went through everything and produced 6(? CBA to look it up) very long acts over the course of 10 years or so.

What that left us with is the same complicated legislation just written out in more words - and so a very long tax code.

Then someone realised that what needed simplifying was not just the language but the substance of the legislation. And the Office of Tax Simplification was born. I wonder what we will make of that in 10 years' time.

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