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Polly Tonybee on the Tory Scum conference

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ttosca · 04/10/2011 02:40

These conference sleights-of-hand will reap nothing but cynicism

In the heat of elections, politicians say anything. In the depths of a crisis, dissembling only harms our trust in the system


No change, laissez faire, do nothing, as markets around the world tumbled again in the eurozone crisis. But there stood George Osborne, the quintessential conservative chancellor, unchanged down the ages, cutting his way into a self-defeating spiral of stagnation. No more borrowing, he said ? without mentioning the £12bn extra debt his own austere policies have just added to the deficit. How archetypal of age-old Conservatism that he blames the lack of jobs on the tribunals defending people who are bullied or unfairly sacked by their employers.

That's just another example of how, at every turn here, the official theme ? Modern Compassionate Conservatism ? clashes with unfettered free-market ideology, family friendliness crashes into toughness, while "new localism" is squashed by Napoleonic central instructions on everything from bins to French for 5-year-olds. That's a contradictory trick which voters sniff out before long.

However, Osborne's firm tones explaining why austerity is the only way carried the weight of a man who believes he is doing the right, tough thing in terrible times. Growing numbers of serious critics ? this week Andrew Tyrie of the Treasury select committee ? warn him to turn back, but these are honest political and economic disagreements. Either Osborne will be proved right ? and if so, his party will be in power a long time ? or he is disastrously wrong, and his party will pay the price along with all the rest of us. If there is indeed another great cataclysm blowing in from the eurozone, trust in politics will be needed more than ever.

That is why it seems odd that so many other policies on display here are insincere, artificial and sometimes downright dishonest. This is not a disagreement over whether these policies are a good idea but whether ministers actually believe their own claims. Seasoned observers at party conferences count the small change from any announcement, watching for sleights of hand, but here the sheer scale of misrepresentation, over-promising and bogus boasts is surprising ? and in the current climate, needless. Conservatives get away with little scrutiny: when Gordon Brown fiddled his figures he was exposed within hours. But this party, with its flotilla of media support, sails away from factual economies with the truth that would have sunk Labour ministers.

Iain Duncan Smith tops the cabinet in a popularity poll among Conservative party members, and yet he is one of the worst offenders. Warm applause greeted his air of pained sanctity as he recounted tales from the inner cities. The fecklessness, the worklessness, the fatherlessness, the something-for-nothing culture sent tingling frissons down their spines. The trouble comes with his overblown claims that he can fix all the perverse incentives in the benefits system that he blames for dependency. His Universal Credit sounds impressive, but not many inspect his claim that it will solve every fiendish problem that foxed Beveridge. By alchemy it will smooth sharp tapers, and resolve housing benefit, childcare credit and contributory glitches.

Today he added another impossible. Not only will marriage be recognised in the tax system but "I intend our welfare reforms to make an impact on the couple penalty amongst families on the lowest incomes". The only way to fix that intractable problem is by giving both partners equal benefits regardless of where they live ? monumentally expensive, so the difference will be small.

A familiar bundle of other inexactitudes littered his speech, such the 250,000 apprenticeships for the young unemployed; most are cheap, short courses for adults already in supermarket jobs. He said: "The European commission orders us to open our doors to benefit tourists and pay them benefits when they arrive. I have a simple message: no, no, no." Another message is no, no, no, it's not true, and he knows it.

There are doubts about this, too. "Our Work Programme is giving new skills to people far from the jobs market", because he recently ordered all contractors not to publish any figures. Of Labour's legacy, he says: "Income inequality is the worst for a generation", when he knows how much worse his cuts will make it, from childcare to failing to uprate benefits by inflation. He makes the populist claim that he was bequeathed "massive error and fraud" in benefits, when official figures find only 0.5%. This is not honest from a man who by now knows better, nor politically necessary when the truth would do.

Why pick on him? Other ministers do much the same. A big promise this week is that releasing public land for builders will create 200,000 affordable homes and 400,000 jobs ? but Financial Times analysis calls these figures "far-fetched". The freeze in council tax gives households an average £72 a year, but councils are only being compensated less than inflation, so that means more cuts to services, and deep cuts to council tax benefit making the poorest worse off.

Bogus policies are those that ministers announce while knowing full well they either don't do what they claim or do much less. If pollsters find the public turning away, this over-promising and under-delivering is one reason why.

Voters have much to be cynical about when they look back at Conservative promises in the run-up to the election. Osborne called PFI "failed and discredited", but now he's signed deals worth another £17bn. David Cameron said there would be no VAT rise, and on child benefit he said: "I wouldn't means-test it." On scrapping EMA, Michael Gove said "we won't". Liam Fox promised "a bigger army", but now 22,000 are cut. Of the promised 3,000 more midwives, there's no sign. People remember Cameron saying, days before the election: "Any cabinet minister who comes to me and says 'Here are my plans' and they involve frontline reductions, they'll be sent straight back to their department to go away and think again." None have been sent back so far ? while a third of police stations close, 8,000 nurses are losing their jobs, and so on. No doubt that's why I was twice abused in the street by passersby ? "Tory cunt", and more politely, "Tory scum" ? for wearing a conference pass.

In the heat of elections politicians will say almost anything. But now, in the depths of crisis, there is no need to dissemble. These things will be found out before long, and that harms not just the party that knowingly overclaims but trust in the political system itself. And some day that could get dangerous.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/03/conservative-conference-trust-in-politicians

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HumphreyCobbler · 05/10/2011 22:25

I can't bear her either.

Hypocrites are never very appealing people.

HumphreyCobbler · 05/10/2011 22:26

the Tory party are a party of sociopaths.

Bloody hell, what a stupid thing to say

HumphreyCobbler · 05/10/2011 22:27

I agree with the pop star/actor thing too. Seriously irritating.

I promise I will stop posting now Grin

moondog · 05/10/2011 22:28

No you carry on HC! Smile

HumphreyCobbler · 05/10/2011 22:31

Libby Purves wrote a rather good article in the Times about how this unthinking dismissal of the Tory party for being posh bastards should just stop. It is boring and silly and shows you up for being a twat. Except she didn't say twat.

Alibabaandthe80nappies · 05/10/2011 22:32

I loathe Polly Toynbee, she is a sanctimonious old bag.

claig · 05/10/2011 22:55

'It is boring and silly and shows you up for being a twat. Except she didn't say twat.'

What did she say? I hope it wasn't sociopath.

Alouiseg · 05/10/2011 22:55

Sanctimonious hypocritical old bag who sent her children to private school "because it was Lambeth" she thinks that gives her the moral high ground because her peers moved to Hampstead and Islington to utilise the "good" state schools.

I have no problem with anybody's education choices for their children. Until they presume to tell the rest of us how it "should" be done.

ttosca · 06/10/2011 00:46

By saying the Tories are the party of sociopaths, I don't mean to say that all people who vote for the Tories are sociopaths.

What I mean to say is that the Tories are essentially sociopathic in policy, and have many sociopaths in their government.

I'm not looking for 'reasoned debate' with Tory ideologues any more than I would with BNP supporters. Our world-views are so fundamentally different that we couldn't even begin to argue because our premises are so different.

The Tories are the party OF the wealthiest and most powerful, FOR the wealthiest and most powerful. They have been the party of the establishment for centuries. Half of their funding currently comes from The City of London -- the same scumbags which caused the financial collapse and recession which we are all being made to pay for.

The class interests at the heart of David Cameron's plan

The Conservative party is effectively the political wing of the City of London. No wonder it can't lead Britain out of this crisis

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/05/david-cameron-conservative-party-city-of-london

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ttosca · 06/10/2011 00:49

And no, Labour are not much better either. They used to be the party of the working class, standing against the interest of Capital. Now they have fallen to neo-liberal ideology and care more about the business class than the average worker.

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MrPants · 06/10/2011 10:56

ttosca What do you reckon to UKIP then? Surely they're even further to the right.

norriscoleforpm · 06/10/2011 10:59

I'm waiting for Bono's next big 'thing' Grin Bless him

Disputandum · 06/10/2011 11:03

But if you're not looking for debate, why bother posting?

To insult people, or to say 'this is the way it is and no back answers'?

I genuinely don't get it, but if you tell me I will know for next time.

glasnost · 06/10/2011 11:25

Who's she insulting? The tory party ARE sociopathic. Maybe you should loo up the definition.

Why don't YOU start a thread Disputeandummm? one day and have the courage to argue, reason, revise your opinions even possibly. Instead of feebly and unsuccessfully poking holes in others' threads. You have no concept of debate. You insinuated OP is a "lunatic". Insults are what you stoop to because you have no intellectual capacity for original, critical thought. At all.

glasnost · 06/10/2011 11:25

LOO up the definition. I like that.

Disputandum · 06/10/2011 14:09

I sense I have touched a nerve on your other thread, glasnost. Keep breathing, baby steps for now.

And there is nothing courageous about starting a thread; I do wonder how you see yourself sometimes.

Disputandum · 06/10/2011 14:13

"Insults are what you stoop to because you have no intellectual capacity for original, critical thought".

I couldn't agree more.

glasnost · 06/10/2011 15:32

Touched a nerve, my arse.

Glad you've finally got some self awareness on the go though and concur with me on the insult aspect.

Fly swats are in need here at times.

ttosca · 07/10/2011 00:40

But if you're not looking for debate, why bother posting?

To insult people, or to say 'this is the way it is and no back answers'?

I genuinely don't get it, but if you tell me I will know for next time.

I didn't say I wouldn't debate, only that for the Tory ideologues, there is no use in having a discussion with them.

There are many people who vote Tory because they think the Tories have the answers. I'm here to try to persuade them that they don't. That, in fact, the Tories are part of the problem.

I'm not here to argue with true-blue Tory ideologues because we have nothing in common and don't agree about even the most basic ideas of what should be common goals or what an 'ideal' society would look like. Some of them appear to want to regress back to the 19th Century, before unions and human rights existed, when England was 99% white, and your social-economic class limited your choices even more than they do now.

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