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Is the US a fascist state?

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glasnost · 03/10/2011 21:07

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
  1. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
  1. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
  1. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
  1. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
  1. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
  1. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
  1. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
  1. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
  1. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

  2. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

  3. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

  4. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

  5. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

On the basis of this is the US a fascist state? And the UK? Italy undoubtedly is.

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KatharineClifton · 05/10/2011 20:01

Course they were Disputandum. In a parallel universe...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/twitter-joke-led-to-terror-act-arrest-and-airport-life-ban-1870913.html

Disputandum · 05/10/2011 20:39

I was referring to the arrests for trying to incite a riot via Facebook here

As I said, wasn't aware of the Robin Hood Airport story. Presumably it had to be taken seriously as it was reported by a member of the public?

slhilly · 05/10/2011 21:14

Riiiight. Miscarriage of justices involving freedom of speech mean we're living in a nascent fascist state. I see. Here was I thinking that nascent fascist states did things like mass arrests of thousands etc. Seems I got it wrong

glasnost · 05/10/2011 21:16

"modern and clever policy" of infiltrating the website.

Taken from your link, Disputandum. I'm sure you wholeheartedly endorse these STASI/KGB type tactics. When they start prosecuting people for publicising the, let's say, occupations on, let's say, MN you'll probably be happy. But the UK is absolutely, no way, authoritarian, right?

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Disputandum · 05/10/2011 21:37

Well tbh if someone was trying to start a riot in my home town I would be quite pleased if the police used the 'modern and clever' tactics of (1) reading about it on Facebook, and (2) turning up to stop it.

glasnost · 06/10/2011 11:39

"modern and clever" enough even for you to master, Dispute.

What about if these "modern and clever" tactics were used to police sites such as MN on the lookout for subversive stuff? Would you support that? What about equating, say, an Occupation with a riot and making that illegal to rally support for too. Would you support that?

We're just waiting for some infiltrators to cause violence at an Occupation to discredit the entire movement and make occupying illegal, too. The power elite is always on the lookout for henchmen to carry out its dirty work.

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abendbrot · 06/10/2011 13:38

I think this conversation will be had at a further date when things are clearer for those whose vision is a tad foggy. Or FOXxy?

Please explain what you are getting at. What's Amanda Knox got to do with fascism?

claig · 06/10/2011 13:51

I think it is a reference to Fox News, not Amanda Knox.

Disputandum · 06/10/2011 14:17

No I wouldn't support any move to make peaceful protest illegal. HTH.

glasnost · 06/10/2011 15:35

But unimaginative people like you Dispute only consider peaceful protest to be what the powers that be TELL you it is so (sigh) IF the Occupations were deemed violent and subversive as of now (maybe even contravening the PATRIOT Act for example) then you would support the prosecution of people for coralling support on MN. Go on. You know you would.

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Disputandum · 06/10/2011 16:08

No I wouldn't.

glasnost · 10/10/2011 13:53

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/07/cia-impunity-torture-tapes

Mealymouthed fascist apologists care to comment?

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niceguy2 · 10/10/2011 16:47

I'm just mindful of the fact that in the US (as well as here) you could spout this sort of nonsense and enjoy the full protection of the law for slagging off the very country you are in.

In a real fascist state I suspect you'd quickly disappear.

glasnost · 10/10/2011 17:42

Has a username ever been more inappropriate?

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glasnost · 10/10/2011 17:57

BTW judging by what I've read of niceguy's posts on the Dale Farm thread he sounds like quite the fascist himself. So would probably advocate the disappearance of those "spouting" this "nonsense".

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BelfastBloke · 10/10/2011 19:22

glastnost, maybe you're clashing with everyone because you have such a broad definition of what constitutes fascism?

And maybe other people are disagreeing with you because they have a narrower, more historically accurate, version?

abendbrot · 10/10/2011 19:54

glasnost is suffering from an acute case of guardianitis.

HeadlessLamAAARRRGHHHH · 10/10/2011 21:57
  1. Labor Power is Suppressed - I don't know how the unions in the US work so can't comment.

Well MousesMa, various individual states are banning things like collective bargaining. Corporations there and here are reluctant to employ people who are union members.

"terror, torture and abduction" slhilly have all been employed by the US in their war against terror, which is, let's face it, is an oxymoron. If the war in Afghanistan is about what happened on 11.9.2001 then Saudi Arabia should've been the target as 95% of those involved were Saudi. The then Afghan government had turned down plans that proposed running a gas pipeline through their country.
Since the World Trade Centre had planes flown into them the US has abducted thousands of people and tortured them. They have used terror in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen to name but 3 countries.
I don't think the US is a fascist state yet, but because corporate interests are so protected and promoted there is every chance a president, Senate and congress could be bought by those with vested interests. Then we will follow. We already are, look at Liam Fox's mate.

abendbrot · 10/10/2011 22:05

Big business run things as much here as they do in the US. Mostly by being rich enough to fight harder legal battles than anyone else.

Fighting a war doesn't make anyone a fascist. Gassing thousands of your own people does.

niceguy2 · 10/10/2011 23:00

So you resort to name calling and insulting anyone who disagrees with your point of view.

Is it because deep down you know you've no real facts to support your argument?

glasnost · 11/10/2011 08:02

Just for you nice?guy:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference

You scuttle off now back to your hate threads on Dale Farm etc.

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glasnost · 11/10/2011 08:05

I agree with HeadlessLamar totally. I posted re. America's NASCENT fascism. I've come to realise most on here probably don't understand the meaning. The US is sliding into fascism and those of us who care about the country and its people should be alarmed.

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niceguy2 · 11/10/2011 11:32

That's it, keep hurling insults. Perhaps you may fool someone into thinking you actually have a rational argument. I doubt it though.

glasnost · 11/10/2011 13:30

Shame you didn't read the transference link I so kindly took the time to put up. Bit of free psychotherapy for you but 'tis wasted I fear. You're still in denial.

I took the time to start this thread and post links which I think should be of genuine interest to all democratically minded people (espesh parents) only for a nomark like you to liquidate it all "spouting" "nonsense". As I posted previously you really should stick to the hate threads such as the Dale Farm ones. You are showing worryingly fascist tendencies for such a "nice" guy.

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niceguy2 · 11/10/2011 14:08

Great, so now I am a fascist too. Brilliant!

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