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Denmark introduces "fat tax"

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longfingernails · 02/10/2011 22:37

news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16081190

We should do the same - and use the money to pay for an income tax cut.

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claig · 03/10/2011 22:08

Well done on the breadmaker ironman.

What they get away with putting in our bread is shocking, and the planners say nothing about any of the ingredients.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2003622/Is-bread-making-ill-How-2011s-loaves-bad-you.html

KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 22:11

claig - instead of 'the planners' which sounds very sci-fi, why don't you just say the ruling class?

claig · 03/10/2011 22:12

ironamn, I'm not an expert on hormone imbalances etc. but I think that oestrogen can cause enlarged breasts in young boys. Oestrogen and hormones are pumped into lots of our meat, such as chicken. This may possibly cause hormonal imbalances which can lead to enlarged breasts.

Here is a report aboout some plant oestrogens having that effect in boys. Some of the products containing them were shampoos and gels.

www.hormoneimbalanced.com/plantestrogen.html

TEA TREE OIL (MELALEUCA ALTERNIFOLIA) AND LAVENDER OIL CAUSES GYNECOMASTIA (MALE BREAST ENLARGEMENT) IN BOYS
From Science News, issue of 1 July 2006

Two ingredients common in many hair- and skin-care products have been linked to abnormal development of breasts in boys. Lavender oil and tea tree oil contain compounds that act like female sex hormones and interfere with male hormones, researchers have determined.

Enlarged male breasts, or gynecomastia, result from an imbalance between the activity of estrogens, which stimulate breast growth, and estrogen-inhibiting androgens. The condition is extremely rare before puberty, says Denver-area pediatric endocrinologist Clifford Bloch.

Nevertheless, since the mid-1990s, Bloch has treated gynecomastia in a series of boys age 10 or younger. Most had normal ratios of sex hormones in their blood, indicating that theirs wasn't a problem of hormone production.

From the youngsters and their parents, Bloch learned that at least five boys had been using a shampoo, hair gel, soap, or another topical product that listed lavender oil among its ingredients. One of the products also contained tea tree oil. "A couple of patients were putting pure lavender oil on their skin," he says.

Bloch recommended that the boys stop using lavender-containing products. When they followed his advice, gynecomastia disappeared within a few months.

To verify his hunch that the plant oils were hormonally active, Bloch contacted Derek Henley and Kenneth Korach of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences in Research Triangle Park, N.C. In their lab, the two investigators exposed human-breast cells to lavender oil and, separately, to tea tree oil. They found that each oil turned on estrogen-regulated genes and inhibited an androgen-regulated gene.

"These oils possess both estrogenic and anti-androgenic properties," Henley reported at the Endocrine Society meeting in Boston this week. He adds that the finding is the first to implicate "essential oils" from plants in gynecomastia.

Young boys should avoid the oils, Bloch advises. Many personal-care products contain them. Other plant products act like estrogens in the body.

Pediatric endocrinologist Edward Reiter of Tufts University School of Medicine in Springfield, Mass., applauds Bloch for his "impressive, Sherlock Holmes" performance in unearthing what the boys had in common. While similar patients probably trickle in to other endocrinology clinics, he says, the cause of their enlarged breasts could escape diagnosis because doctors don't make the connection to personal-care products.

"If I had seen [just] one of those kids, I'm sure I would have missed it," he says.

The rapid reversal of gynecomastia that Bloch accomplished is a rare achievement in medicine, comments Ken Ong, a pediatric endocrinologist at the Medical Research Council in Cambridge, England. As such, it strongly suggested a link between the products and the boys' problem.

The plant essences presumably have similar potential effects in young girls, Reiter says. Studies show a recent rise of early breast development in girls. Prepubertal children have low sex hormone concentrations, so relatively small amounts of hormone-mimicking compounds might upset their physiologic balance at that age, says Reiter.

Yes, the common lavender herb and tea tree oil used in many health food store soaps and shampoos is causing breast cysts.

CONCLUSION
Just because you buy something at the health food store and it is natural does not mean it is good for you. Many plants exhibit hormone properties. Typically, plants are estrogen mimics, progesterone blockers, or estrogen blockers. Very few plants are progesterone stimulating. As a result, most hormone active plants will cause estrogen dominance.

claig · 03/10/2011 22:15

Here are some reports about teh oldest women in teh world. Lots of them ate cheese, butter and cream etc.

www.nealirc.org/Gerontology/OldestWoman.html

claig · 03/10/2011 22:18

'claig - instead of 'the planners' which sounds very sci-fi, why don't you just say the ruling class?'

Because they are different. The planners are paid technocrats who work for and do the bidding of the ruling class. The ruling class don't work, they pay the planners to come up with 'carbon footprint' and all the rest of their plans.

claig · 03/10/2011 22:21

ironman,
there is another report about enlarged breasts in boys that implies that it can be fairly common, but it doesn't seem to mention oestrogens in food etc.

www.bsped.org.uk/patients/nick/GYNAECOM.htm

BoffinMum · 03/10/2011 22:23

Soya and certain brassicas act as endocrine blockers.

KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 22:31

'The planners are paid technocrats who work for and do the bidding of the ruling class.'

Ok. But it is the ruling class who set what the 'plans' will be. I get your point though and like it.

claig · 03/10/2011 22:40

Yes, the ruling class always want to keep the people down. They have devised ways to do it. Global warming is their latest strategy. It's all about sustainability and restricting resources for the people. It will lead to carbon rationing and taxation for those that exceed their quotas. But if you read the greens carefully you will see that many of them advocate population control. That is what the end objective of the ruling elite really is. That's why the planners tell you the messages they do.

Even the co-ordinated worldwide reduction in the welfare state and the financial chaos is the ruling class's ideological plan to keep the people down. But don't be deceived by the progressives. They work for the ruling elite, just as much as the right wing, in fact even more so.

LadyBeagleEyes · 03/10/2011 22:44

Bloody Hell Claig, are you David Icke?
Lizards,lizards, lizards.

claig · 03/10/2011 22:48

I think David Icke talks about lizards deliberately in order to discredit people who question the ruling elite. That way the ruling elite can rely on uninformed people to parrot "lizards, lizards, lizards". That way they keep feeding you junk in your food and telling you that good food is unhealthy, and you continue to have no idea.

KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 22:54

I don't agree with you on global climate change claig, but I know where you are coming from. I guess you read/watch Adam Curtis?

(Completely off-topic, but there are some fantastically funny David Icke videos available on Google videos)

claig · 03/10/2011 22:57

Yes that Adam Cuirtis BBC 3-part programme was excellent and the first time I have ever seen the BBC even broach the subject. But I have criticisms of the programme. I believe Curtis got lots of it wrong, and was possibly trying to kid us. But even so, it was a very interesting programme.

glasnost · 03/10/2011 22:59

Oh claig EVERYONE'S trying to kid us doncha know!?

Can't trust anyone these days.

KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 23:00

The last series wasn't very good. He has a blog on the BBC (www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/adam_curtis/), and his earlier film The Century of the Self is amazing. I think it's also available on Google videos, ironically)

garlicScaresVampires · 03/10/2011 23:04

Much to my own startlement, Claig, I agree with you on multinational-directed misinformation and climate change management [dies of Shock at self] Don't know if you've moved on to fossil fuel availability yet, but I think we've agreed on that in the past.

In this wonderful information age, the facts are available and verifiable. But you have to wade through a swamp of sponsored bullshit, masquerading as facts, to get to it. Most people haven't got the time or inclination.

I do love Icke and his lizards, though Wink

claig · 03/10/2011 23:05

The media owners spread their message. That's why they don't like the bloggers. They reach the people directly without the media's interference. Remember the BBC's Andrew Marr having a go at bloggers and saying it wasn't "real" journalism. Well he's right, it was devoid of the media owners' spin.

claig · 03/10/2011 23:07

Yes, the Century of the Self was very good. I think that was the one about Edward Bernays, Madison Avenue and propaganda techniques et al.

claig · 03/10/2011 23:09

Yes, garlic. Peak oil is another one of their scams. They scam the stock market and they scam other markets too.

vezzie · 04/10/2011 08:25

tax on calories = tax on fuel for manual labour = extremely regressive taxation

Xenia · 04/10/2011 09:24

For me it's not a political issue (although watch the two Big Sugar films online if you're interest in that side of things). It's simply that when I cut out processed food I stopped virtually ever getting ill and felt much happier and better and that alone is all that really matters.

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Xenia · 04/10/2011 09:51

I don't eat bread because I'm intolerant of yeast. I don't find the quick foods I eat which are unprocessed hard. You can open a can of sardines and peel a few carrots in about one minute.

I can't be bothered to talk about the politics of it but there is a huge advantage in packing food with cheap fillers and making the bad materials taste better with harmful additives but people are brown up. If they want to eat bad food and die young then that's up to them. Anyone with half a brain can go on line and look up what is good for you to eat.

I was talking to my 3 sons the other night who do cook from scratch every night and they were putting on their usual sauce mixture on the chicken that was frying and I said let's look at the packet an d the first ingredient (which if it's first means it's the biggest of the content) was sugar. Not that that stopped them eating it and they are much better cooking up their own chicken dish even putting that stuff on than buying read made chicken burgers or something like that. The main thing is most people in the UK eat an appalling diet. Never mind not organic or their apple might have touhced a bit of wax or something, it's that apples are 0.001% of what they eat.

The nuances of it are nothing like as important as what are the basic food sthey eat day in and day out.

claig · 04/10/2011 10:07

'Why would the 'ruling elite' be bothered to make us sickly with crappy bread etc? Seems like a lot of effort'

Good question. And why would they tell you that GM food is OK and why wouldn't they tell you about aspartame which is in diet drinks that children drink? And why would they tell you, as they used to do, that eggs are not good for you? And why, as the Daily Mail article on bread says, did they ban white bread during the war, but allow it again after the war?