WHO DO YOU BANK WITH? State-owned Royal Bank of Scotland – to give financial aid to companies that manufacture cluster bombs

[Tortington]

IS IT JUST TOO HARD TO CHANGE DIRECT DEBITS 'N' SHIT? OR WILL YOU continue to bank with these fuckers?

im not saying either is right just saying that you were citing buying cluster bombs we are discussing investing in them which is different

I didn't cite anything

This is hardly fair on RBS or consistent given the Labour government's willingness to work with Lockheed-Martin.

The Labour government decided to be the only non-US Tier 1 partner on LMs F35 strike fighter project since it wanted companies like Rolls-Royce and BAE to get workshare.

I don't think you can tell LM we want a slice of the biggest defence project on the planet but British banks won't lend you any money or invest.

"The Joint Strike Fighter, which is being built by Lockheed Martin as the F35, will be known in UK service as the Joint Combat Aircraft (JCA). Although Lockheed Martin is the prime contractor, the UK is a Level 1 partner with the US and a number of British companies, including BAE Systems and Rolls-Royce, will have extensive involvement in building and developing the aircraft. "
www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/f35jointstrikefighter.cfm

I don't understand the objections.

Individuals don't have much say over what happens in govt. Theoretically we can express our wishes but in practice we get one lot or the other lot and then they get on with doing whatever they fancy doing.

An awful lot of people didn't support the war in Iraq - there were protest marches at the time - and a lot of them were labour voters and turned away from the party because of it. Meanwhile we know that a conservative government would have done the same ie gone to war so it's the same result whatever colour you are.

That's all that.

What we do have power to do as individuals is vote with our feet when it comes to the products and services we buy. Irrespective of the fact that our government went to war, a war which would have happened whoever was in power, there is a possibility as an individual to say "I won't buy / use a product which supports practices that I disagree with. If you don't support the use of cluster bombs then withdrawing support from institutions involved with manufacturers is a fairly simple thing to do (well assuming there are any!). I don't understand why people wouldn't do that on the basis of what the previous government did. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

fluffy - not sure where aircraft came into it or the labour rant.

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what the last poster said really