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Perfect illustration of the lack of sense in the Coalition Government

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LilyBolero · 01/07/2011 16:09

This Government seems to have no sense. No brains. And have a serious case of 'speak, decide, announce' before every the brain is got out of the jar on the shelf.

On another thread it got round to Child benefit. And this illustration occurred to me. A perfect example of 'joined up thinking'.

Imagine a street, lined with houses. In the first house, House A lives a couple. They have four children. One of the parents goes out to work, and earns a salary of about £42.5k. After tax, this amounts to about £30k. Under the budget cuts they lose child benefit of £3k per year. So they have about £30k to spend per year, because they are deemed 'too wealthy' to receive child benefit.

The next house, House B houses another couple. Neither parent works, and they instead rely on benefits. They qualify for the maximum benefit payout and receive £26k. Under IDS' new proposal today, child benefit is paid on top. As they have 4 children, this gives them a further £3k, giving them a total disposable income of £29k, only £1k less than House A, which is deemed 'too wealthy' to keep their child benefit.

In the next house, House C lives another couple. They both work full time, and both have a salary of about £41k, giving a gross income of £82k. After tax this is a household disposable income of £60.4k. They also have four children, and because neither parent is a HRT payer, they also get £3k in child benefit, so their disposable income is £63.4k, over double the house that lost their child benefit for being 'too wealthy', and yet they retain it. This helps them cover childcare fees.

In the final house, House D, a single mother lives with her 4 children. She works full time, and has no income from the children's father. 2 of the children are in school, and go to after school club, 2 of the children are in full time nursery, incurring huge fees. She earns about £42k, giving a net household income of about £30k, the same as House A, and very similar to house B. However she loses her Child Benefit, because she is 'too wealthy'.

4 houses, 4 situations, is the child benefit paid to cover need, or is it just an arbitrary hand out given to some and not to others? Round the corner lives a family with a disabled child. The mum did have a career, but now stays at home as a carer. Her husband has a salary that just tips them into the HRT, so they lose their CB.

Where is the joined up thinking?

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NerfHerder · 07/07/2011 11:50

Smile Looks like I've got it wrong, sorry. Blast... I think maybe I have some tax to reclaim [idiot]

LilyBolero · 07/07/2011 12:18

:)
Do you do self-assessment? They should have checked it, and if you do it online, the computer incorporates the allowances in automatically. If you're on PAYE, your tax code sorts it out.

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NerfHerder · 07/07/2011 12:54

It certainly explains why my tax bill has never been what I've thought it should be, and always in my favour! Blush

LilyBolero · 07/07/2011 13:06

Do you mean you always had less to pay? You should see an improvement next year, as the threshold for the tax allowance is rising, this is the 2nd rise, the 1st one was cancelled out by a lowering of the HRT threshold (hence why that is falling), but then the 2nd rise won't have a corresponding HRT threshold fall.

This is another bit of badly thought out policy - they are reducing the HRT threshold so as 'not to benefit HRT payers' by the rise in the tax allowance, but if that knocks you into HRT you lose CB, which was not the intention. Lunacy!

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breadandbutterfly · 07/07/2011 23:15

Thank you so much, LilyBolero, for taking the trouble to write such lucid and well-argued posts on this subject - I agree 100% with all your posts but start spitting with fury after about line 2 so just couldn't get it together to keep a thread like this going... :)

I think this topic is of huge importance - at a point when recent news have been reporting that families need to earn 20% more than last year just stand still in financial terms thaks to high personal inflation, the loss of 2-3K is going to really HURT loads of very ordinary, not-rich-at-all families. This story needs to be kept at the top of the political agenda - not swept into the long grass until 2013.

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