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88 replies

Papillon · 12/04/2005 19:32

Hallo All

Here is a place for us to come and mull and mutter and share our Ways in kinship

See you soon XX

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SaintGeorge · 14/04/2005 11:51

Hiya Paps hun

When you hang around dragons as much as I do you sort of take on a few personality traits

Or maybe I am really a dragon masquerading as the infamous dragon slayer just to confuse everyone (mainly confusing myself now!)

glitterfairy · 14/04/2005 11:53

Ah Paps naps (sorry about the rhyme) is what I am lacking. I think I dont sleep enough or just laze and day dream. I remember as a teenager spending hours lying and looking at my ceiling listening to music used to calm me down and get me to a rally great space. Maybe I should have a cat nap this afternoon.

megandsoph · 14/04/2005 13:01

wow this rooms filled up a wee treat pap

I think I see a wee flicker of our lovely friend hmmmmm me thinks

{{{{{saintgeorge}}}}}} hiya hun xxxxx

beltane coming up soon lovely time of year

Ello all

Papillon · 14/04/2005 13:16

hee hee

yes M&S it must have been a dragons tail I saw over the Bongian Tree... the wisp of smoke, abit of dragon fire breath

I found an interesting site about dragons the other day... will look for it later.

Nap was GOOD
I am sleeping badly at nite atm... so need to catch up with baby paps during the day.
Glitterfairy do you want to try abit of grounding work... could be what you need.

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SaintGeorge · 14/04/2005 14:11

Dragon slayer rides through - waves madly at M&S from back of great white steed - rides onwards.

Is that a dragon I see ahead, damn no 'twas my reflection in the mirror

Anyone telephoned the asylum yet to see if they have any vacancies? Crazy multiple personality woman heading their way........

Beetroot · 14/04/2005 21:56

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Papillon · 15/04/2005 13:38

Come to a health farm in CH you two... that sounds good to me

Beety the info you asked for is on a new thread. Would be interested to hear what you think

So how are all Fridays women?

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DixiExpat · 15/04/2005 14:28

I was lurking and re the post regarding why so many people associate witches/Wicca/Satanism together etc; I'll not bore anyone with specific scriptures that are anti-witch,anti-mediums,anti-astrology and even anti-divination becuase I assume you have heard it all before, I know I had when I was a witch.Most of it I think is due to the many names of the horned god and the goddess and the various names, among them those of "idols" specifically mentioned in the Bible,the NT went a step-further and referred to it as doctrines of demons.Some Christians believe that any religion or worship that doesn't focus on YHVH,Yeshua and the Holy Spirit are "Satanic" even if its one that doesn't believe in Satan and is virtually peaceful and pleasant because they feel they are brought about by demons,fallen angels etc; under the orders of Lucifer aka the adversary.So as unfair as that may sound to peaceful "witches" who don't believe in Lucifer or harming anyone in anyway,Christians feel those associations are rooted in scripture.

DixiExpat · 15/04/2005 14:29

So...Chill and Chat.
Anyone doing something special for the Monday off? Not decided yet but I think we'll just do something simple, take our daughter to the park for the afternoon.

SaintGeorge · 15/04/2005 14:32

Well sorry Dixie but that is exactly why I have problems with what I would describe as 'hard-core' Christianity.

Papillon · 15/04/2005 16:45

Dear DixiExpat, I welcome you and am glad to see you here... somehow I knew you would come Please know that I only try and speak with respect, as anger for me personally will not move me / us as humans forward in our spiritual evolution.

Maybe it is just me wistful thinking but I sense so much ancestral depth in you that is lost. Considering the personal history that you have spoken of I see your past as only in recent generations been tainted with the dark aspect of energy. For me your Indian forebears were quite probably very wise medicine women and men / shamans who knew much of the Spirit of Life and the totem energy of the animals in their surrounds. When the white person came to your land and entered your lives and your blood much changed. And what was ancient wisdom was twisted by alcohol and confusion. A falling out of the reality that your ancestors saw as normal... no Bible to tell them they were under the orders of Lucifer.

Maybe you have seen this stuff before and I know that you have talked about in other posts... pagan stories manifested into Christian festivals et al... old stories become new stories. As this occurs I feel that we humans should always remember that taking Life and Spirit in a literal Way can also be a unfortunate pathway when the initial myth / message is changed and distorted from what it once WAS

(((Hi SaintGeorge)))

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DixiExpat · 15/04/2005 21:33

No need to say sorry to me St.Geo, I was simply clarifying the reasoning. I would like to say though in regards to my heritage. There is no way from a few posts that anyone can accuratly gauge how much of my heritage is evident in my life today. Its true that for Americans in general it is often difficult to maintain a history beyond immigrant relatives or the reservation acts.I have a very rich heritage on many levels. One half of my family are Irish Americans my immigrant ancestors survived the blight,came to the new world and faced abject poverty and descrimination (in those days Irish were considered lower than African slaves).The other half of my family are from two distinct native tribes.Culturally speaking,my relatives are from the Southern states as well and as children we were entertained by stories of our ancestors who fought in the Civil War.There is much more to my heritage that makes me who I am beyond relating to the "5 civilised tribes".I am affected by all of them and there are parts of each alive today,even if I choose to worship the same God as ancient Jewish nomads.I would think everyone everywhere feels similar about the effects their own heritage and upbringing have on them. I also wish to say, for anyone even remotely offended by that other post, I am not attempting to be disrespectful of anyone's right to choose their own religion I was clarifying the reasoning of many Christians on the subject. In an age of political correctness and everyone being so terrified of offending each other a lot of people do not tell the truth to each other.I think honesty=understanding,not so much in the way of having someone to conform to your views but to see the reasoning of it through anothers eyes and understanding HOW they came to that conclusion.I think thats one of the reasons I was always so fascinated with theology and other cultures in general, being able to understand what makes them distinct.Make sense?

SaintGeorge · 15/04/2005 21:37

Could you do me a favour dixie please and use the occasional paragraph in your posts. Your posts tend to be long and when it is a mass of text it makes for headaches rather than interesting reading.

Thank you

SleepyJess · 15/04/2005 21:42

Hello people

Just wanted to say hello.. so you know I've found you. Am going off to bed because I have a headache and am v.sleepy (ha! ) Think I am craving caffiene.. I've gone a bit cold turkey since I bought the You Are What You Eat book. It's no good working with my soul if my body is falling apart.. and honestly, according to that book I am a walking bag of noxious toxins!! Scary stuff..

We see you over w/end..

((hugs)) to all

SJ x

SleepyJess · 15/04/2005 21:45

Eeek Saintgeorge.. did you slay Snugs along with yourdragon?! Your new persona is a trifle prickly, lol.. you didn't slay Spinel too did you? ) (And I mean this in the nicest possible way.. I fight like cat and dog with my mother, try as I might not to... we are too alike.. in some ways..)

Love and light to you hun. You sound stressed.

((hugs))

SJ x

SaintGeorge · 15/04/2005 21:49

In a very prickly mood tonight SJ, sorry.

As for Spinel - not seen or spoken to her for nearly 2 weeks . I have had lectures from DH and MIL on stubborness - but strangely I don't think they are giving her the same lecture and these things work 2 ways.

Yes to stressed but thats life.

Papillon · 16/04/2005 07:08

DixiExpat, I too have troubles reading your posts... I read once that people don´t read posts online if more than 4 lines long.... too much for the eyeballs. As it is I have my screen on dark even during the day!

I take most note to what you said here ....´I would think everyone everywhere feels similar about the effects their own heritage and upbringing have on them.´ Whilst upbringing and heritage plays it part, I would say that the effects are markedly different. Your heritage appears in the history books abit more than mine (for example) a New Zealander off a farm...

Spiritually directed I feel that has also impacted you. Strong spiritual background in the Irish and the native Indian. Dealing with that in the often very Self orientated new age and pagan path (considering your ancestral spiritual beliefs and Power) would have been I believe from a spiritual heritage perspective quite a force to be reckoned with.

Perhaps Pentecostal/Christianity perhaps is safe ground for you in this lifetime. It protects you from Fears, which can only be faced when ready. And if a decision is not coming from a fully open-hearted position it's better to stop & wait until it is! Your heart ultimately as chosen Christ. The strength of your past heritage is not easy to comprehend as perhaps others pasts. Perhaps that is also why you got your fingers burnt in what others experience as Beauty, Great Spirit manifest in their lives.

I understand you feel you need to express from a Christian/Pentecostal the dangers we face in your perception of danger. And again you are welcome here, but please realise this that none of us here are for conversion. I appreciate reading your history, but we all have our (in St Georges words slightly modified) spiritual express journey. And we share here in insight and kinship... not in separation and warnings of occult dealings. Again I say.... I feel that we humans should always remember that taking Life and Spirit in a literal Way can also be a unfortunate pathway when the initial myth / message is changed and distorted from what it once WAS

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DixiExpat · 16/04/2005 13:02

sorry about the pain to read posts. I didn't consider that the lack of paragraphs and punctuation could be a contributing factor that my posts have been perceived as rants.Its easy to forget that tone doesn't translate into type.

"Perhaps Pentecostal/Christianity perhaps is safe ground for you in this lifetime. It protects you from Fears, which can only be faced when ready. And if a decision is not coming from a fully open-hearted position it's better to stop & wait until it is! Your heart ultimately as chosen Christ. The strength of your past heritage is not easy to comprehend as perhaps others pasts. Perhaps that is also why you got your fingers burnt in what others experience as Beauty, Great Spirit manifest in their lives.

I understand you feel you need to express from a Christian/Pentecostal the dangers we face in your perception of danger. And again you are welcome here, but please realise this that none of us here are for conversion. I appreciate reading your history, but we all have our (in St Georges words slightly modified) spiritual express journey. And we share here in insight and kinship... not in separation and warnings of occult dealings. Again I say.... I feel that we humans should always remember that taking Life and Spirit in a literal Way can also be a unfortunate pathway when the initial myth / message is changed and distorted from what it once WAS"

*Fair response and thanks for the input.In my own defense I'd like to say I have zero thoughts of converting ot convicting anyone here, that is why I posted yesterday,to try and make that clear.

My spiritual and religious beliefs are seperate in my own mind and not used as a crutch for any fears if I am right in what you seem to be conveying.As for chosen paths etc; etc; I no longer choose to believe in past/multiple lives in a literal sense. I attribute it to genetic/tissue memory, I had regressions before.

I can say as well, though I was raised pentecostal,I am not a pentecostal christian in the usual sense, yes I believe the day of pentecost happend and the "religious ecstasy",but I have plenty of beliefs that do not come close to conforming with pentecostals,in fact they would likely be condemned.

For one thing,my children's names were chosen using numerology and I believe our Creator intended for us to use astronomy to our advantage for certain decisions. If you met me in person,you'd not in a million years stick me in the category as a pentecostal holiness Christian.

Per your post, insight and kinship through insight into each others thoughts,feelings and beliefs and reasonings,this is how I get to know people and allow them to get to know me,if my approach is a foreign one,I dunno what to say except,I'll try and use tact in my "typed speech" and keep in mind that I am not in the company of Southern Belles.So...here..an olive branch from misunderstood me to all of yous....anyone want a cup of tea?

flamesparrow · 16/04/2005 13:10

OOoh, first time ever I've managed to know someone when they've changed names (before being told)!!

Only halfway through reading the thread, but just wanted to say Hellooo before carrying on

flamesparrow · 16/04/2005 13:15

Read everything now.

Tis nice to find so many like minded ladies on here - has anyone else noticed that you often get an inkling about people's beliefs through posts?

glitterfairy · 16/04/2005 18:18

I will read all of this later have ahd a terrible few days and am very low but will get better. beets I dont know. I am off to Venice allegedly a week on Monday and perhaps may feel better after that.

Paps send me some info on grounding although at the moment I feel below ground!

glitterfairy · 16/04/2005 18:28

Hav read it all now and it has made me feel strangely better and able to cry away without feeling too bad. Perhaps that is just what I need to do for a while.

Papillon · 16/04/2005 19:29

A cup of tea is just what my dh put before me as I sat down to read your post Dixi
Had a lovely day out at a friends place.. working bee for the horses stable. I managed to sleep at least an hour And of course mind baby paps so nothing tooo strenous for me.

Thanks for your open hearted and ever interesting posts Dixi... I am starting to gain more understanding into where you are coming from. Until your last post I believe (& I think also for St George) that you were convicting us. I guess other Christians that have chosen to hang with us have not made such statements. So I am happy that we are clearing up some space.

Would be most interested to hear more about chosing your childrens names by numerology. Perhaps another thread about it so All MNetters can see it. Just thoughts. The mathematical aspects of the Bible is a fascinating labyrinth - where does the rabbit hole lead!

You will have to tell us about Southern Belles....!! Are they very direct and not like in Gone with the Wind lol!

Hi SJ Hope the headache is gone now... have you ever tried wheatgrass instead of coffee.. gives you abit of a buzz and is healthy to boot!

Hi Flamesparrow and welcome

(((Glitterfairy))) Hey Venice I remember you saying about that. Oh sweetie more (((()))) did you see my message in Bong land for you. Lets ride together on our nags and blow the worries you have away on the highest cliff as your Spirit grounds and balances you. Then speak with the lake stones and sit in contemplation before getting legless on the deck! hee hee
will post more soon... need to drink my tea b4 it goes cold!

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Papillon · 16/04/2005 19:33

Btw I am 7 weeks pregnant

Early days but feeling lovely, content and full of a somewhat tired but happy wellbeing.

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flamesparrow · 16/04/2005 19:33

I'm wiped out. I have a crying baby with reappearing/disappearing chicken pox.